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Old 03-08-2007, 03:19 PM   #26
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WOW. Very useful information. Thanks a bunch. Mind if I ask which detector you have?
I have an 8500. If you don't have POP radar being used around you (which you don't), then the 8500 X50 isn't worth the money.

You can pick up a used 8500 (non X50) on ebay for around $100-150. Thats probably your best "value" out of the bunch.

I also have a V1 in another family members car...very nice, but similar performance, at least in comparison to the price difference.
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Old 03-08-2007, 03:26 PM   #27
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FYI, I have ran RADAR and LIDAR and I have clocked cars and written tickets at 5500' which is over a mile. In VA you have to testify in court to the distance at which the speed was measured and your tracking history(total time of the track). Yes this is still dependent on traffic and how heavy it is. LIDAR is car specific and the detector will pick up on other cars being clocked. This is still dependent on the angle of the laser beign shot downrange into oncoming traffic.

Detetors are only seized in VA if it is beleived to be pertinent evidence in court. It is not mandatory to seize them.

FYI, tossing it in the glove box can still earn you a ticket in VA because you still have it within reach to gain access. Even if it is turned off or unplugged and still on the windshield, you will be breaking the law.

RADAR and LIDAR are infinite in range. The sensitivity can be adjusted to eliminate noise( shorten the range of use)
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Old 03-08-2007, 04:56 PM   #28
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My radar detector was stolen and I haven't bothered to replace it. Almost all the po-po use instant on, even in Virginia now. Just keep it at 75 and they won't touch you.
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Old 03-08-2007, 05:01 PM   #29
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FYI, I have ran RADAR and LIDAR and I have clocked cars and written tickets at 5500' which is over a mile. In VA you have to testify in court to the distance at which the speed was measured and your tracking history(total time of the track). Yes this is still dependent on traffic and how heavy it is. LIDAR is car specific and the detector will pick up on other cars being clocked. This is still dependent on the angle of the laser beign shot downrange into oncoming traffic.

Detetors are only seized in VA if it is beleived to be pertinent evidence in court. It is not mandatory to seize them.

FYI, tossing it in the glove box can still earn you a ticket in VA because you still have it within reach to gain access. Even if it is turned off or unplugged and still on the windshield, you will be breaking the law.

RADAR and LIDAR are infinite in range. The sensitivity can be adjusted to eliminate noise( shorten the range of use)
I'm sure most users are aware of the range of radar and laser. I've actually been clocked from over a mile and a half away in Ohio with K.


Yes, I know just being in the car is illegal, however he would have to search my car to be in my glovebox. Its not like I'd be throwing it in during the process of being pulled over...it would be done as I entered the state.

Can't imagine a circumstance were a VA trooper would be wanting to search my car...and honestly, if I had a detector in there, depending on the circumstances, I'm not sure I'd let him.
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Old 03-08-2007, 05:57 PM   #30
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I did a ton of research on this, and I narrowed it down to two that would IMO be the best for Virginia. Check out the Beltronics STi and the Valentine 1. Both have very good range, both have concealable displays and similar gadgets. The V1 is money because it has arrows that can detect where the radar signal is coming from and how many bogeys it picks up. It can also pick up POP radar and is upgradeable for as long as you own it. The Beltronics STi is nice because it is completely undetectable by any radar detector detector that has been and ever will be made, but it is not upgradeable and AFAIK does not detect POP radar.

VIR EURORALLY, you sound like a cop, do you happen to know offhand what the cost of a radar detector ownership ticket is in VA? I heard once it's something ludicrous like $1500... is that true?
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Old 03-08-2007, 07:31 PM   #31
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The Valentine One is still #1 according to the latest independent unbiased radar detector test.

http://guysoflidar.com/radar-detecto...ctor-test.html
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Old 03-08-2007, 08:58 PM   #32
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just get a bigger hood scoop to hide it from view of the cops
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Old 03-08-2007, 09:03 PM   #33
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VIR EURORALLY, you sound like a cop, do you happen to know offhand what the cost of a radar detector ownership ticket is in VA? I heard once it's something ludicrous like $1500... is that true?
I am. The fine would be roughly $100 depending on the court costs and fees in each jurisdiction. If the detctor is seized by an officer, the judge has the option to order for the destruction of it or having it returned to the owner.
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Old 03-08-2007, 09:35 PM   #34
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I am. The fine would be roughly $100 depending on the court costs and fees in each jurisdiction. If the detctor is seized by an officer, the judge has the option to order for the destruction of it or having it returned to the owner.
Awesome thanks! $100 is definitely worth it to save potentially thousands of dollars worth of ticket / insurance fees.
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Old 03-08-2007, 10:39 PM   #35
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Valentine One just can't be beat. Before I had one I said the same shet, "Overpriced, 29 dollar Radio Shack is just as good," etc. Not true. I've saved at least 6-800 dollars with the V-1. Everybody else in traffic moving along at 15 over looks at me like an idiot when I jam on my brakes, then over the hill there they are at the side of the road looking glum, waiting for their ticket...

Only thing to watch for is air- look out for 1/4 mile markings on the road and, o/c, low flying Cessnas...

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Old 03-08-2007, 10:49 PM   #36
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I have an Escort SR-7 remote install radar detector and love it. the radar sensor mounts in the front grill, along with a laser sensor in the front grill and an additional laser sensor above the rear license plate.
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Old 03-09-2007, 12:51 AM   #37
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I am. The fine would be roughly $100 depending on the court costs and fees in each jurisdiction. If the detctor is seized by an officer, the judge has the option to order for the destruction of it or having it returned to the owner.
Is the 8-9 miles over posted limit pretty much gospel with you guys??
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Old 03-09-2007, 01:11 AM   #38
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Is the 8-9 miles over posted limit pretty much gospel with you guys??
Depending on the jurisdiction, they may not be legally able to write you a ticket for anything below a certain number. Around my area, its 7 mph. They could just write you a ticket for any number of other things though...
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Old 03-09-2007, 01:31 AM   #39
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I got pulled over on 66 a year or so ago. trooper asked me how fast I was going. I said I didn't know,.... it was 6pm and I was busy keeping at pace with the traffic around me. He said he didn't know how fast I was going either. He didnt pace me, radar me, or lidar me,... he wasnt ever behind me "but I know it wasnt 55" ----ticket, failure to obey highway sign.

nothing is gospel. wrong place, wrong time, wrong gold wheel car with giant wing.
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Old 03-09-2007, 03:43 AM   #40
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I personally use 15mph over as a given tolerance. There isn't a given tolerance by law. Some departments have policies in place to govern the use of RADAR and LIDAR, or a tolerance that the judge likes to see used. I'm sure most police officers and judges will agree that writing tickets 5mph over the limit is reaching for a given number of tickets. It also depend on the politics in your area as well. Most will agree that the quality of the ticket written will surpass any quantity of tickets that you may write.
For RADAR and LIDAR certification, the officer has to be tested in the field for accuracy in speed estimations. The curve here is +/- 5mph. When running the RADAR/LIDAR he can't just trust on that said unit. The unit has to be calibrated before and after use each time the unit is used. The officer also has to estimate the speed and compare it with that of the RADAR/LIDAR. If the estimate is outside of the tolerance, then that track should be discarded.
That being said, there are errors made when running RADAR/LIDAR and the officer should use some discretion when doing so to be an honest operator.
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Old 03-09-2007, 12:18 PM   #41
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I have the WHISTLER 3500 remote mount detector. The receiver is mounted in my hood scoop and the user interface is mounted on my steering column. It works flawless, I have never been busted by radar. I recommended this to all my friends, 3 of them actually listened to me and are very happy. Easy to install
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Old 03-10-2007, 12:57 AM   #42
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I just picked up a Cobra xrs-747 (9400) for $40 from somebody off of Craigslist. It has detection for K/Ka/X and 360deg of detection. I'm making a 450 mile trip tomorrow, so we'll see how well it works...
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Old 03-10-2007, 01:04 AM   #43
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I just picked up a Cobra xrs-747 (9400) for $40 from somebody off of Craigslist. It has detection for K/Ka/X and 360deg of detection. I'm making a 450 mile trip tomorrow, so we'll see how well it works...
I'm afraid you will. I mean, don't trust it more than 40 dollars worth...If this is your first RD- REMEMBER- if it goes off on the open road, slow down first, then look around. If you're gonna use it, you've gotta listen to it!

I'd stick to 9 over, or with traffic, until I got to know the thing..

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Old 03-10-2007, 01:46 AM   #44
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I'm afraid you will. I mean, don't trust it more than 40 dollars worth...If this is your first RD- REMEMBER- if it goes off on the open road, slow down first, then look around. If you're gonna use it, you've gotta listen to it!

I'd stick to 9 over, or with traffic, until I got to know the thing..

-Bill
Yeah, $40 definitely does not mean I'll be going 90 the whole way down. I usually like to stick to 7-12 miles over, but I'd hate to get a ticket for going 78 on the highway like I've gotten before =( I'll keep y'all posted...
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Old 03-10-2007, 02:31 AM   #45
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Old 03-10-2007, 02:52 AM   #46
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FYI, I have ran RADAR and LIDAR and I have clocked cars and written tickets at 5500' which is over a mile. In VA you have to testify in court to the distance at which the speed was measured and your tracking history(total time of the track). Yes this is still dependent on traffic and how heavy it is. LIDAR is car specific and the detector will pick up on other cars being clocked. This is still dependent on the angle of the laser beign shot downrange into oncoming traffic.

Detetors are only seized in VA if it is beleived to be pertinent evidence in court. It is not mandatory to seize them.

FYI, tossing it in the glove box can still earn you a ticket in VA because you still have it within reach to gain access. Even if it is turned off or unplugged and still on the windshield, you will be breaking the law.

RADAR and LIDAR are infinite in range. The sensitivity can be adjusted to eliminate noise( shorten the range of use)

Wow, that is some great eyesight. Trying to figure out which car was actually speeding from a mile away while they are coming towards you is pretty good. Please tell me how that works.
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Old 03-10-2007, 03:36 AM   #47
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That isn't very far at all if you're judging cars as they come down a grade. The grade may be over a mile long, but the actuial sight distance can be shorter. How far in the sky do you think planes are flying over head? They can be several miles in the sky and still plenty visible, even for private aircraft.

I did get convictions on those cases and they were fought by lawyers.
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Old 03-10-2007, 05:00 AM   #48
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I have the WHISTLER 3500 remote mount detector. The receiver is mounted in my hood scoop and the user interface is mounted on my steering column. It works flawless, I have never been busted by radar. I recommended this to all my friends, 3 of them actually listened to me and are very happy. Easy to install
Looks pretty sweet and I have found the for 200, but do they use batteries?
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Old 03-10-2007, 09:08 AM   #49
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FYI, I have ran RADAR and LIDAR and I have clocked cars and written tickets at 5500' which is over a mile. In VA you have to testify in court to the distance at which the speed was measured and your tracking history(total time of the track). Yes this is still dependent on traffic and how heavy it is. LIDAR is car specific and the detector will pick up on other cars being clocked. This is still dependent on the angle of the laser beign shot downrange into oncoming traffic.

Detetors are only seized in VA if it is beleived to be pertinent evidence in court. It is not mandatory to seize them.

FYI, tossing it in the glove box can still earn you a ticket in VA because you still have it within reach to gain access. Even if it is turned off or unplugged and still on the windshield, you will be breaking the law.

RADAR and LIDAR are infinite in range. The sensitivity can be adjusted to eliminate noise( shorten the range of use)
If you are the only person on the road, I can see where you could get someone from long distance. I have seen in my training on RADAR detectors that there is no way with RADAR that a reading of more than 1000', in traffic, will stand up in court with a good lawyer that can show how wide the ray spreads with RADAR. I do not condone excessive speeding, but I wish cops would pull over the big unstable box truck doing 80 before the sportscar that is in full control at 100.
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Old 03-10-2007, 10:09 AM   #50
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I've got a really old Whistler from like 1999. Don't have it plugged in currently though, because one of the suction cups broke. Probably have to get a new one from the company, since I can't find one to fit, anywhere else.

Anyway it's not very good by any modern standards, but does what it's supposed to for the most part. On the other hand, I don't really speed that much, at least compared to most of you fine folks. I rarely go over 75 in a 65, or 68/70 in a 55. That can still get you pulled over, but it depends on the cop, at that point. It's been several years, for me.

If you're within "reasonable tolerance," I think it comes down to HOW you're driving, sometimes more than the actual specific speed. Not using blinkers, being erratic or aggressive... .that's what they watch for, I think.

If I had the cash for a brand new car, maybe I'd get a V1. But I really don't see much of a point, otherwise, save for that bling factor. If you're driving fast enough to need one that good, well, what's the point?

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