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Old 08-12-2018, 06:30 AM   #1
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Default Forget Dieselgate, Electric Volkswagens Could Now Be Recalled

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Carcinogenic metal has been found in charging systems.


In the wake of the whole Dieselgate mess, Volkswagen announced plans to gradually move its entire range of products over to electric power.

On paper it was a great idea – rescue the reputation of the company, while simultaneously preparing for the future and saving the planet.

However, Volkwagen's electrification plans hit a snag recently with the news that it may have to recall as many as 124,000 electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles pending a ruling from Germany’s Federal Motor Transport Authority, the KBA.

According to German business weekly Wirtschaftswoche, Volkswagen has used a carcinogenic metal in charging systems for its electrified vehicles, including Audi and Porsche products.

"We have temporarily stopped taking orders for the Golf GTE,' a Volkswagen spokesman stated back in May when the news broke. "We had a high number of orders last year and into this year, which was partly driven by the successful 'Push the Button' marketing campaign. The pace of the new orders arriving meant we filled the maximum production capacity of our factories and so the build time for new orders ran into a significant number of months."

The chargers contain 0.008 grams of cadmium, which is well insulated but doesn't pose a direct risk to humans. However, it is likely to pose an environmental impact when the cars reach the end of their lives.

While the recall hasn't officially been confirmed yet, production of electric and hybrid vehicles has been allowed to continue because the cadmium component has been replaced by an alternative product source by another supplier.

Cars affected include the e-Golf, e-Up!, Golf GTE, and Passat GTE.
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Old 08-12-2018, 12:27 PM   #2
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8mg of cadmium in a sealed relay inside the charger. There will likely be more environmental impact in building and replacing the chargers than from just keeping the existing ones.
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Old 08-13-2018, 09:58 AM   #3
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Cadmium used in batteries and environmental resistant plating too. I suspect most EVs will have this. Japanese polleted some rivers and caused the Ouch Ouch disease
https://www.nytimes.com/1970/11/22/a...m-disease.html
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Old 08-13-2018, 11:02 AM   #4
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cadmium-gate doesn't roll of the tongue though, let's workshop that name a little more.
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Old 08-14-2018, 07:05 AM   #5
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8mg of cadmium in a sealed relay inside the charger. There will likely be more environmental impact in building and replacing the chargers than from just keeping the existing ones.
Yeah, this feels like overreacting
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Old 08-14-2018, 02:38 PM   #6
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Why can't they be like CA and just put cancer warning stickers on everything.
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Old 08-14-2018, 03:42 PM   #7
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Why can't they be like CA and just put cancer warning stickers on everything.
Because you would need a sticker for the sticker that says it causes cancer. Cancer inception.
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Old 08-14-2018, 04:41 PM   #8
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Old 08-14-2018, 04:53 PM   #9
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Anyone ever heard of First Solar? Their panels use Cadmium...
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Old 08-15-2018, 11:21 AM   #10
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Anyone ever heard of First Solar? Their panels use Cadmium...
Thing is, when a solar panel goes bad there are only so many people that recycle them and they all know what's in them.


Cars? Yeah, most wrecking yards have no clue or care as to what's in them outside of waste fluids.
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Old 08-15-2018, 04:52 PM   #11
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8mg of cadmium in a sealed relay inside the charger. There will likely be more environmental impact in building and replacing the chargers than from just keeping the existing ones.
This!
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Old 08-16-2018, 10:28 AM   #12
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It;s hilarious watching the German cucks self destruct from within. What they dare not say is their great bragged green agenda is a failed agenda. Citizens pay 4x more for electric forcing them to heat with wood and industry forced to buy own diesel generators for electric with all the fly ash and pollution that goes with it . Now it comes out they have to buy 70% energy from old pals Russia Does this sound like making over 50% electric from Solar/Wind ? I'm all for clean environment but be logical and take care of worse polluters first like heating systems. power plants, ocean shipping that uses low grade oil that have zero abatement. Stop the anti auto agenda and move on to real problems.

https://energy-charts.de/power.htm
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/...the-world.html
https://www.wsj.com/articles/german-...wer-1393805262

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It;s hilarious watching the German cucks self destruct from within. What they dare not say is their great bragged green agenda is a failed agenda. Citizens pay 4x more for electric forcing them to heat with wood and industry forced to buy own diesel generators for electric with all the fly ash and pollution that goes with it . Now it comes out they have to buy 70% energy from old pals Russia Does this sound like making over 50% electric from Solar/Wind ? I'm all for clean environment but be logical and take care of worse polluters first like heating systems. power plants, ocean shipping that uses low grade oil that have zero abatement. Stop the anti auto agenda and move on to real problems.

https://energy-charts.de/power.htm
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/...the-world.html
https://www.wsj.com/articles/german-...wer-1393805262
wait what? are you full of it again? this time linking sources that do NOT back up what you say?

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You can tell his stance on everything based off one word in that verbal diarrhea.
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You can tell his stance on everything based off one word in that verbal diarrhea.
I'm wondering when we see the recycled picture of a nat gas truck.
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So US pays about 10-12 cents per KWHR and Germany 30.48 EURO or over 35 cents in US. so that means your $170 monthly bill be closer $500 a month for electric .
sorry, media distorts real costs of NWHR Germany by omitting special fees to support solar/wind and not syaing it's in Euro not USD
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ds-in-germany/
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Old 08-16-2018, 01:34 PM   #17
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yeah, solar energy is more expensive. I think we all know that.
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Just FYI, they pay more for Coal and gas too.
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yeah, solar energy is more expensive. I think we all know that.
That isnít correct. Itís geographic dependent. In some areas solar is cheaper. They are reaching a delta now where panel price has decreased so much (economies of scale) thatís it is evening up with a trend for lower than fossil power. Solar and wind power companies know to win in the marketplace they will have to beat on price. Eco-whatever will only go so far, $ wins every time.
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yeah, solar energy is more expensive. I think we all know that.
Solar was more expensive not that long ago, but right now it is one of the cheapest sources of generation. Ironically, we have the German feed in tariffs to thank for the fact that solar is now cheaper than many other forms of generation.

The chart in this article is interesting...and 2 years out of date. Prices have continued to fall.
https://cleantechnica.com/2016/02/23...wh-record-low/

Here's a more current article with another nifty chart in it which compares solar pricing to combined cycle natural gas generation:
https://www.greentechmedia.com/artic...ice#gs.DowZPwg

There are lots of issues that go along with solar, but on a total cost per kWh it is currently one of the least expensive sources of new generation.
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So what you are saying is when you come out of the darkness you see the light?

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