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Old 05-21-2019, 03:03 PM   #326
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Pretty sure you are.

Last decade has been pitiful.
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Old 05-21-2019, 03:23 PM   #327
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Right? Ok, blame the ****ty years on Honda, even though we've seen McLaren itself was a disaster but it was overshadowed by how bad Honda was. Now with a new project in Indy, it's the same old story. These guys don't see the common denominator.

Firing Bob Fernley? I guess someone's head has to roll after such an embarassing display but I rate him quite highly. He was collateral damage in the Stroll Force India takeover. I hope he gets a good gig at a proper team in whatever series.
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Old 05-21-2019, 07:19 PM   #328
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Right? Ok, blame the ****ty years on Honda, even though we've seen McLaren itself was a disaster but it was overshadowed by how bad Honda was. Now with a new project in Indy, it's the same old story. These guys don't see the common denominator.

Firing Bob Fernley? I guess someone's head has to roll after such an embarassing display but I rate him quite highly. He was collateral damage in the Stroll Force India takeover. I hope he gets a good gig at a proper team in whatever series.
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Old 05-21-2019, 07:21 PM   #329
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but it was overshadowed by how bad Honda was.
Situation report. Honda has a driver ahead of both Ferrari drivers in the championship. Honda wasn't the problem.
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Old 05-22-2019, 11:02 PM   #330
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Situation report. Honda has a driver ahead of both Ferrari drivers in the championship. Honda wasn't the problem.
Listen ok, that GP2 engine just couldn't cut it for Alonso.

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Old 05-23-2019, 03:25 AM   #331
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I mean, the engines did suck ass for the first couple years.
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Old 05-23-2019, 08:06 AM   #332
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how bad Honda was.
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I mean, the engines did suck ass for the first couple years.
Monumentally. It was main of the main stories in F1. I don't know how we can already be rewriting this history because of Max in 2019.
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Surely you see what you're doing there.



Monumentally. It was main of the main stories in F1. I don't know how we can already be rewriting this history because of Max in 2019.
It's pretty obvious that Honda needed something other than what McLaren was willing to give them for package space in the chassis. Now they have what they need from RedBull and can push the engine for more power without the significant loss in durability. It could be as simple as RedBull being willing to adjust the engine mounting locations to change how the engine block is stressed. Or maybe RedBull's aero superiority means they can cool more efficiently without a loss to downforce and handling.
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Old 05-23-2019, 05:27 PM   #335
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Monumentally. It was main of the main stories in F1. I don't know how we can already be rewriting this history because of Max in 2019.
It was absolutely terrible. You'd think that given they had additional time (by not being in F1) - they would have had a leap on the others in terms of engine development... instead it was the complete opposite.

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It's pretty obvious that Honda needed something other than what McLaren was willing to give them for package space in the chassis. Now they have what they need from RedBull and can push the engine for more power without the significant loss in durability. It could be as simple as RedBull being willing to adjust the engine mounting locations to change how the engine block is stressed. Or maybe RedBull's aero superiority means they can cool more efficiently without a loss to downforce and handling.

In 2014 the engine in the Mclaren and the Mercedes was the exact same. Mercedes finished 1st, Mclaren 6th. In fact, even Williams outdid them coming 3rd.
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Old 05-25-2019, 12:04 PM   #336
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Ferrari now bold enough to plain sabotage their #2 driver.

Maybe Kyvat can torpedo the front runners and mix things up a bit.
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Old 05-25-2019, 12:12 PM   #337
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The grid:


Pos Driver Team
1 Hamilton Mercedes
2 Bottas Mercedes
3 Verstappen Red Bull
4 Vettel Ferrari
5 Gasly Red Bull
6 Magnussen Haas
7 Ricciardo Renault
8 Kvyat Toro Rosso
9 Sainz McLaren
10 Albon Toro Rosso
11 Hulkenberg Renault
12 Norris McLaren
13 Grosjean Haas
14 Raikkonen Alfa Romeo
15 Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo
16 Leclerc Ferrari
17 Perez Racing Point
18 Stroll Racing Point
19 Russell Williams
20 Kubica Williams

Yep once again Ferrari goofed it again. Not sending Leclerc out in Q1.
4 Honda power cars in the top 10.
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Old 05-25-2019, 12:16 PM   #338
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Ferrari now bold enough to plain sabotage their #2 driver.

Maybe Kyvat can torpedo the front runners and mix things up a bit.
just plain idiots...italian business as usual
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Old 05-26-2019, 01:46 PM   #339
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another boring race, nobody can overtake, "dead" tires can be driven another 20 laps, Hamiltons hybris is reaching new levels
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Old 05-26-2019, 02:59 PM   #340
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another boring race, nobody can overtake, "dead" tires can be driven another 20 laps, Hamiltons hybris is reaching new levels
I agree on Hamilton, Bottas needs to try harder.
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just plain idiots...italian business as usual
What makes it worse is that it was Leclerc's home race:
He said he was going to go for it and he did. Didn't work out though.
They said a 90% chance of rain for the race and it never rained.


Pos Driver Team
1 Hamilton Mercedes
2 Vettel Ferrari
3 Bottas Mercedes
4 Verstappen Red Bull
5 Gasly Red Bull
6 Sainz McLaren
7 Kvyat Toro Rosso
8 Albon Toro Rosso
9 Ricciardo Renault
10 Grosjean Haas
11 Norris McLaren
12 Magnussen Haas
13 Perez Racing Point
14 Hulkenberg Renault
15 Russell Williams
16 Stroll Racing Point
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18 Kubica Williams
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Yep once again Ferrari goofed it again. Not sending Leclerc out in Q1.
4 Honda power cars in the top 10.
Gotta save tires! - Ferrari at Monaco

Great success by Honda all weekend.

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another boring race, nobody can overtake, "dead" tires can be driven another 20 laps, Hamiltons hybris is reaching new levels
Monaco, baby! I could probably win from pole there.
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Old 05-27-2019, 12:53 PM   #343
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It's pretty obvious that Honda needed something other than what McLaren was willing to give them for package space in the chassis. Now they have what they need from RedBull and can push the engine for more power without the significant loss in durability. It could be as simple as RedBull being willing to adjust the engine mounting locations to change how the engine block is stressed. Or maybe RedBull's aero superiority means they can cool more efficiently without a loss to downforce and handling.
Yeah. 5 years and 2 teams; one serving as a test team.

All that to be competitive with Top 10 cars at Monaco. The most non-engine track in F1.
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Old 05-28-2019, 02:37 PM   #344
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Max was driving on an incorrect engine mode after his pit stop.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/v...o/4397096/amp/

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That meant Verstappen was stuck with a torque setting that Honda F1 technical director Toyoharu Tanabe told Motorsport.com was a "big" difference to the standard map.

It is understood to have had a significant impact on the behaviour of the engine, and Verstappen had to manage that for more than 60 laps while trying to put pressure on and try to pass race leader Lewis Hamilton.
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Max was driving on an incorrect engine mode after his pit stop.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/v...o/4397096/amp/
So Max knew it when he left the pits. The team knew it because he said it over the radio. If it's a mode that can't be changed while the car is running under race pace why did they tell him to go mode 7 until the end of the race for the last 10 or 12 laps? Maybe that was a bluff just to put Hamilton off?
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Old 06-07-2019, 10:07 AM   #347
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I am pretty sure that Kanada will be Baku 2.0, an easy 1 and 2 for Mercedes (both with new and evolved engines for the race), and way behind RedBull and Ferrari.
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F1 Fan Festival here in Chicago tomorrow. Will be attending for a bit, not sure what to expect. Haven't seen much in the way of advertisement for it, so no idea if it will be packed or a ghost town. We're planning on hiring out fav deep dish pizza place that's about 15-20 mins away from there for lunch then head over around 1ish and catch the live run at 2:30.

From F1's site:

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Old 06-08-2019, 03:47 PM   #349
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that was a surprise
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well, only if by surprise you mean that HAM qualified ahead of LEC, ahead of RIC, ahead of GAS, ahead of BOT.

Otherwise not surprised to see VET at the front row. I had expected a FER, MER, RBR 1-6.

It should be an interesting race - I am looking forward to LEC challenging HAM, with BOT taking on RIC and GAS.

If MER is the better race car, then it will likely come down to an interesting pit strategy, I don't know if they have the outright pace to pass FER on this track.
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