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Old 03-03-2001, 10:09 PM   #1
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Question Suggestion for moderators regarding Street Racing posts

I guess this is in light of the reaction to Bruno's post...

Is posting your victory/defeat banned from the i-club?

This is an activity that almost everyone does, in some form or other. Kevin Thomas has been putting up vids of his street racing activities (Sorry, I had to single you out for quite a while now. Whether we post 'em or not, we all do it at some point in time.

If it's not banned from the i-club, maybe there should be some kind of guideline for people who want to post. I don't think allowing street racing posts will turn the I-club into CivicSi.com, thanks to our diligent moderators. Maybe it should be clear if it is OK to post Street Racing activities.

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Old 03-03-2001, 10:18 PM   #2
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Bruno's threads did not get locked simply because they were about street racing. They got locked because of the use of all caps in the title (which is against the rules) -- and in one case the entire message was in all caps ... very rude ...

There are numerous posts about victories/defeats that have not been locked (after reading Bruno's locked thread, I did a search and found bajillions of threads that were not locked).

I think the moderaters have been doing a fair job of locking posts when they break the rules or when the post looks like it will escalate into a flame war.

If you simply HAVE to post a victory/defeat .. use your best discretion and follow the rules of the club and you probably won't get your thread locked.

my $0.02
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Old 03-03-2001, 10:20 PM   #3
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I understand and agree about the caps, but heres a quote from 8complex:

Secondly, we do not allow street racing posts on this board as street racing is illegal, especially when you're doing 110+, even alone on an empty highway. All it takes is one tiny screwup and you're dead.

Thats the part that concerns me.

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Old 03-03-2001, 10:29 PM   #4
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I agree that comment by 8Complex needs clarifying ... there are only 2 rules in the i-club that could (but do not directly) pertain to street racing posts:

#4. i Club creators and maintainers reserve the right to edit any and all content of the message board.

#14. No flame wars. If a topic is inflammatory, the moderators will take care of it.

So, regardless of 8Complex's statement, street racing posts, per-say, are not banned, but its up to the moderaters to decide whether they should be locked or not.

Either that, or the rules need to be modified to explicitly ban street racing posts ...
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Old 03-04-2001, 02:40 AM   #5

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Hmmm... well maybe we'll see if Imprezer can slip that into the rules for those of you who don't think I should enforce by his word and rather just by the rules.

Street Racing - High-speed racing on public roads for longer then 1/4 of a mile. Very dangerous.

Street Drag - Doesn't get nearly as fast as street racing, and is usually under rather controlled circumstances/surroundings.

I won't go into the morals of either/or or the postings of results, but a good bet would be that if you don't want the cops knowing about something and using it against you, you shouldn't be posting it. Web board posts have proven to hold up in court, at least somewhat. And web site creators/operators can be and are held to their content's legality all of the time.
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Old 03-04-2001, 08:49 AM   #6
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This is an activity that almost everyone does, in some form or other. Whether we post 'em or not, we all do it at some point in time.
No, Will, we don't.

I have probably the most visible target for street racing on the planet, but I don't, won't and never will.

Sure, I'll pass somebody if I need to, and I zip it up to speed every once in a while, but I am not going to race people on public roads in traffic. It's just not going to happen.

I don't think it's appropriate at all, and I applaude the moderators for taking the stand that they do.
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Old 03-04-2001, 12:07 PM   #7
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This doesn't sound good. I'm certainly not bragging about what cars I have defeated or what not but I have had a point to prove for a long time. The point is that Subarus can go up against the likes of V8's or what not. I never was really sure but I didn't like anyone telling me what my car was made for. That was back in late 1996 early 1997. Things are different now.

The only reason I posted the vids were because 1)There are people like me that enjoy watching/seeing this activity, 2)Who really would believe me if I said I beat a Camaro SS, Cobras, Lightnings, etc, etc in my car? They would call me full of sh**. Heck, I wouldn't believe it if I hadn't done it. I'm sorry if I've offended some of you here. Please feel free to delete all of my past street racing posted vids and we can end this.

I just enjoy our cars to the utmost. I am not and never have condoned any illegal activity. We can still meet up at the dragstrips and autoxs and have a blast.

BTW: Modifying your engines and some other modifications are illegal too. If you want to stay on the legal side, shouldn't we ban all posts about modifications since such activity is illegal? Illegal is illegal. Don't try to butter it up by saying that modifying your car is different. The above posts are focusing on the illegality of street racing. Your input on this would be interesting. If you start talking about how dangerous it is, well any form of racing is dangerous. People have flipped their cars over on tracks and such. Just remember...again...I am not condoning street racing. I'm just saying that if you want to censor activity based on something (Ex: illegal, dangerous, vulgar, etc, etc), you should be consistent with it. It's not cool to say some racing is ok because it's 'legal dangerous' activity or that it's not as illegal as something else. That sounds like you are just buttering it up to suite your needs and passions.

*Don't try to understand the tone of this post. If you heard me saying it, you'd probably be laughing. Just trying to make a point.* Note the smileys and happy face.

[This message has been edited by Kevin Thomas (edited March 04, 2001).]
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Old 03-04-2001, 12:14 PM   #8
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I say if you don't want to hear about street racing don't read it. Usually there is a clear indicator in the topic telling you it's about street racing. Some people don't care for the auto-x but they don't go into the post and trash talk auto-xing. I've seen cars rolled and spectators hit at autocrosses so it's not always safer.
Just my $0.02
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Old 03-04-2001, 12:17 PM   #9
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I agree with BAMA. No one is making you read the posts. Even if you feel street racing is wrong, it's not like banning posts will make anyone stop.

Oh and bruno, I think GTI will hand it to you unless you have some major mods.
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Old 03-04-2001, 12:44 PM   #10
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I'm taking neither side but I think this should be run like democracy. The members make up the club and if the majority prefers (or doesn't) to hear about or see street racing than that should set precedence. I don't agree with certain material being suppressed, especially since it isn't vulgar.I also don't condone street racing but if no lives other than the ones involved are being jeopardized, i don't see a big problem. I do agree that a lot people who street race are incapable of making such critical judgments.
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Old 03-04-2001, 12:52 PM   #11
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Unfortunately Justin it's not a democracy in here...

As Alex ( Imprezer) stated in a post dated March 3 @1.00pm

You are my guest here and if I don't like how you behave in "my house" I will close the door on you.
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Old 03-04-2001, 03:39 PM   #12
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Imprezident? Was he elected? My understanding is that he was not. Maybe we should call him the "Grand Subie Pooh-Bah!"

I agree with the rules though. Modifications aren't inherently dangerous but suburban street racing is. I hit highly illegal speeds frequently, but only on empty country roads... that way the only one I turn into street pizza if I make a mistake is me. Anything that encourages suburban street racing should be discouraged.
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Old 03-04-2001, 03:46 PM   #13
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I said it before and I will say it again. Only some street racing stories are banned and cencored. Majority of them stay alive without any problems. You can't even live with this? Ok, fine, here is my decision.


Happy? Street racing have been around ever since the Model T hit the unpaved streets of Detroit. But, reckless and imature driving is a new thing and i Club is against it, so, since I cannot stop you from posting it, post those silly sories in the OT forum along with the "Dumb Question" and other childish rants. End of story. I do not want to come back to this again.
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