04 F-XT owners - Page 2

Peaty · 01-04-2006, 12:04 PM

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immortal_suby · 01-07-2006, 03:24 PM

Just did mine and sure enough, both filters were down in the banjo bolt hole. Thanks for the thread, Peaty. She is idling much smoother now.

SirWilliam · 01-07-2006, 05:34 PM

Just did mine...yup, both had fallen out. Real easy took about 20 min.

IMPORTANT TOOL: 3 prong grabber that comes in those computer toolkits for picking up fallen screws in hard to reach areas.

This tool makes it take only 1 second to grab the fallen filter and get it out w/o worrying about it falling.

Peaty the tool is found in this Basic Computer maintenance tool kit (the yellow one 3rd from the left):

http://www.microcenter.com/single_pr...uct_id=0205824

Not sure the name of the tool...think it is the "parts retrieval claw".

Peaty · 01-07-2006, 10:50 PM

I have a pair of hemostats I used from my Tox. days

I also have one of thos small 3 pronged grabbers too in my PC kit.

capecod_wrx · 01-08-2006, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jfrankon

That's true, Peaty. Taking you initial advise, I poked around with the needle nose pliers until I "felt" them and then grasped and pulled.

With my naked eyes (don't have great vision) I could NOT see them at all in the banjo (but sure enough they were both in there!)

Moral of this story: Search and you shall find

I went filter fishing this morning - but I didn't catch anything.

I started with the passenger side. Once the bolt was out - I took a look. Very little oil was inside of the banjo - and I could see all the way down into the bolt. I didn't see any filter. I used a small 2mm allen wrench to fish around - but didn't feel or see anything.

The drivers side had a pool of oil inside the bolt. I fished around with my allen wrench - but also did not feel or find anything.

Jfrankon · 01-10-2006, 11:34 AM

capecod_wrx:

How far in were you able to insert the allen wrench into the bolt? IIRC, the filter should inhibit you from pobing too deep.. so if you stick the wrench in the bolt, you should be able to hit the top of the filter pretty quickly. The hard part is finding the edges of the filter and bolt (where the side of the bolt ends and the side of the filter begins). This is where you need to insert your wrench and pull up the filter. Perhaps 2mm is too big to seperate the filter from the wall of the bolt??

SirWilliam · 01-10-2006, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by capecod_wrx

I went filter fishing this morning - but I didn't catch anything.

I started with the passenger side. Once the bolt was out - I took a look. Very little oil was inside of the banjo - and I could see all the way down into the bolt. I didn't see any filter. I used a small 2mm allen wrench to fish around - but didn't feel or see anything.

The drivers side had a pool of oil inside the bolt. I fished around with my allen wrench - but also did not feel or find anything.

That is b/c the filters had dropped down inside...all you will see is a flat, round black top of the filter...this is where I used the 3 prong "Parts retrieval claw" from my egghead computer tool kit. I am sure your filters are still in there which is impeding the oil flow.

Peaty · 01-10-2006, 12:53 PM

It's very likely the filter is not in the union bolt but in the banjo bolt spot down on the motor, it's tricky to see:

It gets forced out:

capecod_wrx · 01-10-2006, 01:39 PM

thanks for the replies guys... i will take another look this weekend and will post an update - with some pictures if they come out.

i could see well inside the banjo on the passenger side. (there was very little oil in there...) jfrankton - my allen key could go all the way down inside of the banjo and bottom out. i didn't see any black plastic.

now on the other side - there was more oil. it was all pooled up - so i really couldn't see anything. i tried fishing with the allen key - but really didn't poke around that much because i was afraid i could damage the filter screen and then not be able to remove it.

by the looks of peaty's pictures - i take it you use the needle nose, (or 3-prong) , to grab the top of the filter - which is made of plastic. is the diameter of the filter just slightly smaller than the banjo?

thanks again guys.

SirWilliam · 01-10-2006, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by capecod_wrx

thanks for the replies guys... i will take another look this weekend and will post an update - with some pictures if they come out.

i could see well inside the banjo on the passenger side. (there was very little oil in there...) jfrankton - my allen key could go all the way down inside of the banjo and bottom out. i didn't see any black plastic.

now on the other side - there was more oil. it was all pooled up - so i really couldn't see anything. i tried fishing with the allen key - but really didn't poke around that much because i was afraid i could damage the filter screen and then not be able to remove it.

by the looks of peaty's pictures - i take it you use the needle nose, (or 3-prong) , to grab the top of the filter - which is made of plastic. is the diameter of the filter just slightly smaller than the banjo?

thanks again guys.

I would suggest using the 3 prong b/c the pliers has the ability to scrape some of the plastic/metal off as you try to grab it...and the 3 prong just works better/easier.

Just my 2 cents.

SuperRuWRX · 01-10-2006, 05:09 PM

I had good luck using this pair of thin needle nose pliers and a small flashlight.

BTW, Thanks Peaty.

Both of my filters had dropped and idling has now improved.

zhe wiz · 01-23-2006, 06:21 AM

I changed the oil in my 32,000 mile '04 XT yesterday and decided to yank the filters while I had the hood open. The passenger side filter actually had NOT dropped out, until I pried it out that is. It was in there pretty good and wasn't easy to extract.

The driver's side had fallen out and was much easier to remove. Both filters were in excellent condition, fortunately.

Jack Z

s. tyrone · 01-26-2006, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperRuWRX

I had good luck using this pair of thin needle nose pliers and a small flashlight.

BTW, Thanks Peaty.

Both of my filters had dropped and idling has now improved.

Hey Richard, any chance we could talk about this, I'm a little fuzzy from the post. Please PM me if you would. Best, Stephen

ez bturbo · 01-30-2006, 12:38 PM

I dont have rough idle (although I may not be able to judge that well since I also drive a pair of modified camaros that both idle really rough), but I do have severe hesitation and, well see this post:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...5&goto=newpost
I will do this, but would that actually be a likely cause of my problem?

rim3 · 02-03-2006, 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ez bturbo

I dont have rough idle (although I may not be able to judge that well since I also drive a pair of modified camaros that both idle really rough), but I do have severe hesitation and, well see this post:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...5&goto=newpost
I will do this, but would that actually be a likely cause of my problem?

That sounds a bit like what I'm experiencing with my FXT. It's been really.... slow... lately. I don't have a boost gauge, but it seems to be lacking boost. The rough idle is a random, yet frequent, occurance. I noticed it, but dismissed it, because it didn't feel or sound bad. My engine started to suffer at about 25k and now seems to really be suffering at 33k. I'll be pulling those things out this weekend!!!

We'll see what it does.

Corkfish · 02-03-2006, 09:12 AM

If you haven't already done it, changing your spark plugs might help as well.

ez bturbo · 02-03-2006, 09:26 AM

sparkplugs were changed 3k miles ago, didnt fix the problem.

dads_cruizzzer · 02-03-2006, 02:57 PM

I did mine during the Christmas break - both have dropped.
What other model cars/year have these filters? I know a few suby owners who don't surf the forums and I would like to inform them if it applies to their motor.

pleiad7 · 02-03-2006, 03:45 PM

All MY04 2.5L turbo engines (STi, FXT, Baja).

Peaty · 02-03-2006, 04:06 PM

and some 05's

capecod_wrx · 02-05-2006, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jfrankon

capecod_wrx:

How far in were you able to insert the allen wrench into the bolt? IIRC, the filter should inhibit you from pobing too deep.. so if you stick the wrench in the bolt, you should be able to hit the top of the filter pretty quickly.

I tried again this morning...and tried the driver's side first. This time there was very little oil visible. Again - I could see all the way down into the inside where the bolt goes. I used my allen key for starters to see if I could 'feel' the top of the filter. I felt nothing - and was able to put the key all the way down inside.

I put my finger on top of the banjo against the allen key to measure how far down the key went.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirWilliam

That is b/c the filters had dropped down inside...all you will see is a flat, round black top of the filter...

I was expecting to hit the top of the filter. Is it possible that my FXT never got these filters?

dads_cruizzzer · 02-05-2006, 10:36 AM

Excuse this stupid question - Did you check the banjo bolt? Yours might not have dropped yet.

capecod_wrx · 02-05-2006, 10:41 AM

That was the first thing I checked - on both sides...

No filters were there either.

Peaty · 02-05-2006, 11:35 AM

If you went in that far I don't think you had them, mine were right up by the top of the hole. Since your car is running well I don't think they are in the system anywhere.

Hondaslayer · 02-05-2006, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rim3

That sounds a bit like what I'm experiencing with my FXT. It's been really.... slow... lately. I don't have a boost gauge, but it seems to be lacking boost. The rough idle is a random, yet frequent, occurance. I noticed it, but dismissed it, because it didn't feel or sound bad. My engine started to suffer at about 25k and now seems to really be suffering at 33k. I'll be pulling those things out this weekend!!!

We'll see what it does.

Mine was done about 2 weeks ago and the idle still has the Suby shake but it is not as viloent.

And at 33k just let the dealer do it. You are still under warranty.

01-23-2006, 06:21 AM	#37
zhe wiz Scooby Newbie Member#: 7943 Join Date: Jun 2001 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Central NY Vehicle: 2011 Silver OBS 92 Eclipse 11.8 @ 119	One Dropped, One Didn't I changed the oil in my 32,000 mile '04 XT yesterday and decided to yank the filters while I had the hood open. The passenger side filter actually had NOT dropped out, until I pried it out that is. It was in there pretty good and wasn't easy to extract. The driver's side had fallen out and was much easier to remove. Both filters were in excellent condition, fortunately. Jack Z

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Jfrankon Scooby Newbie Member#: 20254 Join Date: Jun 2002 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Vehicle: 2010 VW GTI 2013 Outback 3.6R	capecod_wrx: How far in were you able to insert the allen wrench into the bolt? IIRC, the filter should inhibit you from pobing too deep.. so if you stick the wrench in the bolt, you should be able to hit the top of the filter pretty quickly. The hard part is finding the edges of the filter and bolt (where the side of the bolt ends and the side of the filter begins). This is where you need to insert your wrench and pull up the filter. Perhaps 2mm is too big to seperate the filter from the wall of the bolt??

01-10-2006, 12:53 PM	#33
Peaty Techno Sapien Moderator Member#: 449 Join Date: Oct 1999 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Lawrence, KS Vehicle: 2019 Impreza Sport Lithium Red	It's very likely the filter is not in the union bolt but in the banjo bolt spot down on the motor, it's tricky to see: It gets forced out:

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capecod_wrx Scooby Newbie Member#: 43277 Join Date: Sep 2003 Chapter/Region: TXIC Location: Cape Cod, MA --> Austin, TX Vehicle: '08 VDub R32	thanks for the replies guys... i will take another look this weekend and will post an update - with some pictures if they come out. i could see well inside the banjo on the passenger side. (there was very little oil in there...) jfrankton - my allen key could go all the way down inside of the banjo and bottom out. i didn't see any black plastic. now on the other side - there was more oil. it was all pooled up - so i really couldn't see anything. i tried fishing with the allen key - but really didn't poke around that much because i was afraid i could damage the filter screen and then not be able to remove it. by the looks of peaty's pictures - i take it you use the needle nose, (or 3-prong) , to grab the top of the filter - which is made of plastic. is the diameter of the filter just slightly smaller than the banjo? thanks again guys.

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ez bturbo Scooby Newbie Member#: 56048 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aiken, SC Vehicle: 2004 baja turbo 5spd black/dark gray	I dont have rough idle (although I may not be able to judge that well since I also drive a pair of modified camaros that both idle really rough), but I do have severe hesitation and, well see this post: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...5&goto=newpost I will do this, but would that actually be a likely cause of my problem?

02-03-2006, 09:12 AM	#41
Corkfish Scooby Specialist Member#: 39503 Join Date: Jul 2003	If you haven't already done it, changing your spark plugs might help as well.

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ez bturbo Scooby Newbie Member#: 56048 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aiken, SC Vehicle: 2004 baja turbo 5spd black/dark gray	sparkplugs were changed 3k miles ago, didnt fix the problem.

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dads_cruizzzer Scooby Specialist Member#: 61724 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Southern California Vehicle: 04 FXT silver	I did mine during the Christmas break - both have dropped. What other model cars/year have these filters? I know a few suby owners who don't surf the forums and I would like to inform them if it applies to their motor.

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Peaty Techno Sapien Moderator Member#: 449 Join Date: Oct 1999 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Lawrence, KS Vehicle: 2019 Impreza Sport Lithium Red	If you went in that far I don't think you had them, mine were right up by the top of the hole. Since your car is running well I don't think they are in the system anywhere.