possible CY21 WRX and CY22 STI

[chanomatik]

Originally Posted by heavyD

Tail lights are pretty well the only major design changes and it looks like the next gen will once again tweak the tail lights while keeping with a similar design dating back two generations. You are probably in the minority here if you think there's a lot separating the current and last gen Impreza. Current gen Impreza sales may not be so abysmal if it didn't look so much like the Imprezas that were on the lot in 2012.

If the 2022 Impreza comes out looking even less like the 2012 Impreza, yet sales continue to be "abysmal", I'd be very curious to know what your thoughts are then.

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[Snow Drift]

Aren’t all compact sedan sales relatively bad? That’s why companies are ditching cars for SUV/CUVs.

That being said, the new Levorg front end and headlights look drastically different from the VA.

[R1Rider]

So is Subaru done making aggressive looking cars that actually look good? Because the last one was in 2007.

They need to stop taking design queues from the soy lattes in Portland and Seattle.

[bugatti0628]

while we don't know if subaru will put an automatic in the STI. they may still have the cvt option for the wrx. now the new cvt in the legacy, outback, and ascent is different from the one in the current wrx. the TR690 paired with the 2.4DIT is capable of moving over 4,000lbs of ascent and 5,000lbs of towing capacity. that is over 9,000lbs of weight. now most of us won't be towing anything with our wrx, but will that beefier cvt be able to handle stage 2's considering what owners towing trailers put those cvts through despite the difference in weight and stress on the frames and parts

[chanomatik]

How small could the STI possibly be if it comes with the beefy CVT from the Ascent? I would think size has a lot to do with it, right?

The flipside is that they could make the Ascent CVT smaller, STI-sized if you will, and since it won't be rated for towing, it could still be beefy.

[4S-TURBO]

295 lb feet is what JDM S4 and Levorg pushed through the CVT and VTD setup. If Subaru is going after the '21 CLA 45 AMG with the SGP STI, that car in our tune has 354 lb ft. I dunno if they are willing to go that far with any CVT. Perhaps there will be a detuned Touring version.

[Scorpius]

VW is offering the new 2022 Golf R in a manual here in the states and I hope you heard that as well Subaru of America.

[bugatti0628]

Originally Posted by Scorpius

VW is offering the new 2022 Golf R in a manual here in the states and I hope you heard that as well Subaru of America.

I expect both the wrx and STI to have their manual transmission standard. we only know of the sedan style until we see otherwise. and the STI got pushed out one more year, although I believe cars will be revealed next year, one much earlier than the other and much more spyshots and info to come.

[Blktrax]

It's going to be interesting if they launch both the BRZ and WRX at the same time. (In the fall of 21 as 22 models.)

Me thinks one will get pushed, and a fall release of the BRZ doesn't really make sense, but that's what they're still saying.

[bugatti0628]

Originally Posted by 4S-TURBO

295 lb feet is what JDM S4 and Levorg pushed through the CVT and VTD setup. If Subaru is going after the '21 CLA 45 AMG with the SGP STI, that car in our tune has 354 lb ft. I dunno if they are willing to go that far with any CVT. Perhaps there will be a detuned Touring version.

the limit 295ft lbs is fine for the wrx as I don't see the new engine making more than 295ft lbs seeing it have more top end power instead of torque. the legacy xt moves with significant vigor with only 277ft lbs of torque. the wrx will have very similar size and weight and it will come with a manual tranny. I also see the STI coming standard with a manual but I just can't see a cvt for the STI. If it comes with automatic option it will either have a regular automatic be it 8-speed or DCT, or they will still stick with only manual and focus development in other areas

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by bugatti0628

the limit 295ft lbs is fine for the wrx as I don't see the new engine making more than 295ft lbs seeing it have more top end power instead of torque. the legacy xt moves with significant vigor with only 277ft lbs of torque. the wrx will have very similar size and weight and it will come with a manual tranny. I also see the STI coming standard with a manual but I just can't see a cvt for the STI. If it comes with automatic option it will either have a regular automatic be it 8-speed or DCT, or they will still stick with only manual and focus development in other areas

It will be interesting whether it'll be a CVT or not(my money is yes) as they were quoted as saying they were working on an "automatic" for the STI a couple/few years ago. If it's not a CVT, it's going to be a very expensive option. But, who's to say that 295 ft-lb was the "limit" of the HTCVT? I don't remember them saying anything about it(though my memory is bad).

[bugatti0628]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

It will be interesting whether it'll be a CVT or not(my money is yes) as they were quoted as saying they were working on an "automatic" for the STI a couple/few years ago. If it's not a CVT, it's going to be a very expensive option. But, who's to say that 295 ft-lb was the "limit" of the HTCVT? I don't remember them saying anything about it(though my memory is bad).

there are some subaru japan articles that mention the 295ft lbs cvt limit. If they do add the automatic to the STI, the added pricing may be justified especially if its faster launching through the gears and it not a cvt tranny. enthusiasts won't be able to tune the engine with a cvt to its true potential

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by bugatti0628

......enthusiasts won't be able to tune the engine with a cvt to its true potential

Can they not improve it enough? I see all these "can't can't can't" statements about things(including EV topics) like things never improve. I'd bet people would have laughed in 2009 if it were said a CVT would be towing 5000lbs.

[bugatti0628]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

Can they not improve it enough? I see all these "can't can't can't" statements about things(including EV topics) like things never improve. I'd bet people would have laughed in 2009 if it were said a CVT would be towing 5000lbs.

that is a fair point, but the speed you would be towing with the ascent, and the speed the STI will be moving not towing anything do not compare. big differences in size, weight, and purposes.

[bugatti0628]

It makes you wonder if there is any chance they would bring back the original alternative to the wrx sedan. back then you sedans and 2 door coupes with the 22b being the legend. but would the brz really keep subaru from bringing back the 2 door coupe since it would have more power and AWD. I guess 3 months will tell

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by bugatti0628

that is a fair point, but the speed you would be towing with the ascent, and the speed the STI will be moving not towing anything do not compare. big differences in size, weight, and purposes.

Whiiiich would mean different(and longer) development. By the time we see it, the 5000lb HTCVT will be out going on it's 4th model year. Obviously they needed more time to work the direction of the STI(if that's the case).

[bugatti0628]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

Whiiiich would mean different(and longer) development. By the time we see it, the 5000lb HTCVT will be out going on it's 4th model year. Obviously they needed more time to work the direction of the STI(if that's the case).

you are right it would be interesting if that's the case. I honestly would prefer they use the extended time period to give it the dct or 6-speed automatic. my real intrigue are the brand new adjustable dampers that are on the levorg. they can fully adjusted to either your driving style or track days.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by bugatti0628

my real intrigue are the brand new adjustable dampers that are on the levorg. they can fully adjusted to either your driving style or track days.

Sounds like a warranty nightmare for dealerships.

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by bugatti0628

you are right it would be interesting if that's the case. I honestly would prefer they use the extended time period to give it the dct or 6-speed automatic. my real intrigue are the brand new adjustable dampers that are on the levorg. they can fully adjusted to either your driving style or track days.

I'm likely to get an auto if it's available and it's "equal" to the manual. The WRX is "equal" enough to me(better IMO actually) and was COMPLETELY convinced of it waaay back during the training session when it was first put on the WRX. I really liked it on the Forester; but, the WRX training solidified it for me. I know it's limitations and if I had got one before, would have not likely taken it to any of it's extremes. I also believe that any future one will have measures to lessen those limitations for even less worry by me. Either way, I'm looking forward to it. Just wondering when my impatience will kick in waiting for it. Probably right before I get my Wilderness Edition.

[SupersayianNeo]

https://www.torquenews.com/1084/how-...its-ever-built

Just more speculation on the WRX and STI. Lighter?

[bugatti0628]

Originally Posted by SupersayianNeo

https://www.torquenews.com/1084/how-...its-ever-built

Just more speculation on the WRX and STI. Lighter?

I would take this article with grain of salt until subaru gives us more official information. although more reputable sources may give us better info before then

[4S-TURBO]

Awesome. He read my screed and pandered to me. Torque News always the delivererer.

[4S-TURBO]

...but about that weight. Here's what Subaru managed to achieve with this weight saving program in the Levorg:

Gen 1
3,351 -3,483 lb

Gen 2
3,417 -3,483 lb

The vehicle got larger, but the weight remained relatively unchanged. Is that a win?

[Scooby-Doode]

Weight is not necessarily going to change the fact that the entire motor sits in front of the suspension/strut towers. I won't complain if they can get in at 3100-3200lbs.

[4S-TURBO]

But how? Current WRX:

3,294 to 3,527 lbs

Base Levorg gained 65 lbs and top trim stayed the same. But the Levorg only has one engine this generation and it's not an FA. A higher performance FA24DIT Levorg would surely gain weight everywhere, and my guess the SGP WRX with that engine would too. Unless we're not getting that engine in the WRX and we'll see a hi po version of the CB18.