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Old 10-16-2009, 10:28 AM   #251
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What else consist with the "upgrade" ? is it hardware/firmware?
No major hardware changes just some resistors, capacitors, something with the WB circuit, and then a firmware change.
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Old 10-16-2009, 10:29 AM   #252
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about 3-5 seconds. i just miss the instant ignition. even with the stock-non tuned ecu turn the 816cc lighting quick.
You should count out loud. If it's taking longer than 3 seconds then you can improve it. With the Nemesis 2.5 you can get it down to about 1.5 seconds and on the 2.6 you can get it almost exactly like OEM.
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Old 10-16-2009, 10:56 AM   #253
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cool thanks, i don't need to shell out for 2.6 but by the end of the month i will contact you about the 2.5.

on another note, do you have 4 inch maf housing? I wanted to remove the MAF but I realized it is needed for the IAT. I read about going GM but im still researching my route.
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Old 10-16-2009, 12:24 PM   #254
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Just stick the MAF sensor into the hole in your fender so it reads ambient air. We run all the race cars this way and all the rotated kits with 4" intakes. It works perfectly with our maps as they are calibrated this way.

Many have tried other IAT solutions but almost everyone went back to this way due to how well it works and how fast it responds to temp changes.
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Old 10-16-2009, 01:11 PM   #255
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i'll look into that. so basically i can just zip tie it in the fender correct? you have a picture of the setup?
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Old 10-16-2009, 01:49 PM   #256
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You should count out loud. If it's taking longer than 3 seconds then you can improve it. With the Nemesis 2.5 you can get it down to about 1.5 seconds and on the 2.6 you can get it almost exactly like OEM.
hmmm, i drastically improved mine but i dont think its even as fast as 1.5 seconds. i have a 2.6. any general tips on getting it started the fastest?
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Old 10-16-2009, 05:30 PM   #257
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Tons of fuel (may have to add it into the fuel map areas where the highlighted cell is during cranking. Also it does depend on your fuel pump setup how fast it starts.

Cranking speed makes a difference also. Some built engines or older starts just don't have the kick over speed of the newer cars.
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Old 10-16-2009, 05:31 PM   #258
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i'll look into that. so basically i can just zip tie it in the fender correct? you have a picture of the setup?
There is actually a hole that the sensor fits snugly into. The plug will be in the engine bay and just the probe portion will be in the fender well. If you don't have your fender liner in there you may not want to do this.
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Old 10-16-2009, 05:42 PM   #259
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oh i get, i'm still pretty stock, bodywise.

my sti only have 11k on the clock, oem starts up uber quick even with 816cc
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Old 10-16-2009, 08:00 PM   #260
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Tons of fuel (may have to add it into the fuel map areas where the highlighted cell is during cranking. Also it does depend on your fuel pump setup how fast it starts.

Cranking speed makes a difference also. Some built engines or older starts just don't have the kick over speed of the newer cars.
ill mess with it some more. the 9.5:1 compression is slowing the cranking a touch i imagine.
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Old 10-19-2009, 11:04 AM   #261
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ill mess with it some more. the 9.5:1 compression is slowing the cranking a touch i imagine.
Oh yeah that will really slow things down especially with an OEM battery. Some setups just have very slow cranking that you can audibly tell even without running a data logger. I added a second inline fuel pump to my 08 street car and even that pulls the cranking amps way down slowing the cranking speed and I'm barely getting 10.2 volts now that it's cold.

If weight is not a concern like it is for my race car get the strongest battery you can get. I've seen some that are close to OEM size that have 750+ cold cranking amps! It can turn the motor over at like 400 rpm
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Old 10-21-2009, 04:32 PM   #262
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Oh yeah that will really slow things down especially with an OEM battery. Some setups just have very slow cranking that you can audibly tell even without running a data logger. I added a second inline fuel pump to my 08 street car and even that pulls the cranking amps way down slowing the cranking speed and I'm barely getting 10.2 volts now that it's cold.

If weight is not a concern like it is for my race car get the strongest battery you can get. I've seen some that are close to OEM size that have 750+ cold cranking amps! It can turn the motor over at like 400 rpm
what kind of battery would that be? sounds nice!
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Old 10-22-2009, 02:22 PM   #263
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I think it was a Delco or Sears. Typically there are many batteries that will fit there but if you ask for a battery for your car they will just give you an OEM equivalent (which sucks).

You need to just look at all the sizes and the specs at the store and pick up the bad boy!
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Old 11-06-2009, 09:33 PM   #264
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Is the 2.6r9 file compatible with Windows 7?
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Old 11-08-2009, 07:58 PM   #265
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Is the 2.6r9 file compatible with Windows 7?
the software seems to be working, however, Ive now bought two different usb-serial adapters and neither one has drivers that work with windows 7
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Old 02-12-2010, 10:59 AM   #266
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Yes I have used the Hydra 2.6 software with Windows 7 but I tried a USB-Serial adapter and the driver didn't work. When to the manufacturer's website and a specific Windows update was required. Still the best option is a PCMCIA Serial Card or Express Card.
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Yes I have used the Hydra 2.6 software with Windows 7 but I tried a USB-Serial adapter and the driver didn't work. When to the manufacturer's website and a specific Windows update was required. Still the best option is a PCMCIA Serial Card or Express Card.
Yeah, I ended up just getting a ToughBook. However, what specific update are you talking about? Are you saying that you actually got the windows 7 and hydra to connect using the USB-serial adapter?
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Old 02-12-2010, 11:17 AM   #268
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No I didn't bother to install the update to the Windows 7 software since I don't use USB. The specific version was on Prolific's website since that's the adapter I attempted to use.
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Old 02-13-2010, 05:17 PM   #269
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Question Hydra Wideband Sensor Options

I would like to have my a/f ratio information displayed in a 2 1/16" gauge (like the Innovative or Autometer) on my dash. Is there an aftermarket wideband guage that can use the Hydra WB sensor and not cause issues with the Hydra or do I have to have an additional sensor installed?

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Old 02-15-2010, 10:41 AM   #270
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At this point your only option is a AIM Sports Digital Dash which is not a gauge. For 2.7 there will be gauge options so I would hold out until that option is available.
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Curious that 2.7 is going to cost how much more then 2.6 because I am also interested in a gauge!

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Old 02-16-2010, 06:43 PM   #272
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At this point your only option is a AIM Sports Digital Dash which is not a gauge. For 2.7 there will be gauge options so I would hold out until that option is available.

ScoobaruRS read my mind on this, I was even talking with a friend of mine that has a 2.6 on his swapped RS yesterday asking about the same thing, as a matter of fact I was about to order one of the wideband gauge kits available today.
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Old 02-17-2010, 11:21 AM   #273
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Curious that 2.7 is going to cost how much more then 2.6 because I am also interested in a gauge!

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It's too early for me to say exactly what options will be available at what price. I don't even have a beta 2.7 yet so don't hold your breath on the release.

Right now if you buy a 2.6 we'll offer a free basic upgrade to 2.7. There will be some 2.7s available at the same price as current 2.6 units but some will be +$800 more than what we currently offer with the 2.6. The 2.6s being sold right now have the latest hardware and will be expandable to the highest of the 2.7s when it comes out. We've done it this way because many may not have the $ or the need for all the bells and whistles but as budget and needs increase you'll be able to upgrade.

What's on the horizon? OBD2 support, On board data logging (various memory amounts), Full CAN Bus support, User upgradeable software flash, dual DBW Throttle support, more flexible DBW support, easier to use Autotune,and tons of new maps and tuning strategies. That's really on the tip of the iceberg but as you can imagine we can't pack all of that for the same price so you'll have a choice of features and price points.

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I've tried a few times, but I can't get the Nem 2.5 r12 or 15 to load on my Windows 7 system.. I get the

Component 'COMDLG32.OOCX' or one of its dependencies not correctly registered; a fils is missing or invalid

error... I tried to directly download the files however I keep getting it.. I'm running a netbook so I don't have a cd rom for my origional Hydra CD.. Any ideas or anyone else running into this??

EDIT: Scratch that. I used my Thumb drive to install Windows 7 Ultimate inplace of that crappy Windows 7 Starter that was preloaded. No more issues with the Nem program, now lets hope the USB-Serial works.. LOL..

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Old 03-15-2010, 01:02 PM   #275
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Also sometimes you have to "run as administrator" during the install or else you have to manually register some files like we had to do on some Vista versions.
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