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Old 08-09-2018, 02:12 PM   #1201
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Holy free money! Bonds held strong on the $30+ stock drop. SEC "investigating" the tweet LOL - either way, trade still good, but juice dwindling. Bonds at 92 - upside is 101 exit clause vs 420 stock price, and ratio currently 9-12:1. ~30 bucks of juice left on the upside. Downside would be epic obviously. Hopefully Elon jumped the shark for the last time, but that ****ing ******* is teflon coated.
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Old 08-09-2018, 04:03 PM   #1202
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Holy free money! Bonds held strong on the $30+ stock drop. SEC "investigating" the tweet LOL - either way, trade still good, but juice dwindling. Bonds at 92 - upside is 101 exit clause vs 420 stock price, and ratio currently 9-12:1. ~30 bucks of juice left on the upside. Downside would be epic obviously. Hopefully Elon jumped the shark for the last time, but that ****ing ******* is teflon coated.
you are delusional

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Old 08-09-2018, 04:04 PM   #1203
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Which one of yall is more obsessed with Elon Musk? Its hard to pin down.
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Old 08-09-2018, 04:46 PM   #1204
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you are delusional
You'll have to explain, as my post was simple arithmetic...
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Old 08-09-2018, 05:21 PM   #1205
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Which one of yall is more obsessed with Elon Musk? Its hard to pin down.
I don't know, it appears that one is obsessed with ELon and one is obsessed with $$$$$$
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Old 08-10-2018, 09:19 AM   #1206
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You'll have to explain, as my post was simple arithmetic...
No, it was simple investor gobbledygook that nobody outside of investing understands. It's a made-up language to make investors feel smart.

I don't go around talking in Linux shell script, or Windows PowerShell so let's all agree to speak English here, okay?
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Old 08-10-2018, 01:05 PM   #1207
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No, it was simple investor gobbledygook that nobody outside of investing understands. It's a made-up language to make investors feel smart.
I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry. Ignorance is bliss. Slavery is freedom. Failure is winning.
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Old 08-10-2018, 01:31 PM   #1208
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No, it was simple investor gobbledygook that nobody outside of investing understands. It's a made-up language to make investors feel smart.

I don't go around talking in Linux shell script, or Windows PowerShell so let's all agree to speak English here, okay?
You'd probably be well served to learn some of that language. Japanese may also sound like gobbledygook to someone who doesn't speak it, as well, but it is the means by which a very successful nation communicates.
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You'd probably be well served to learn some of that language. Japanese may also sound like gobbledygook to someone who doesn't speak it, as well, but it is the means by which a very successful nation communicates.
Yet if you're speaking Japanese in a nation that doesn't speak Japanese.....
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Yet if you're speaking Japanese in a nation that doesn't speak Japanese.....
I expect more from a slayer of Hondas! There is never an argument to be teh dumber. Arithmetic ain't Japanese neither!

I understand if not following the thread, unaware of the trade I'm in, my post could be out of context. But to truly not understand it? There was no special financial terminology even used. If the avg person can't understand it, we're further along the path to Idiocracy than even I assumed.
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I expect more from a slayer of Hondas! There is never an argument to be teh dumber. Arithmetic ain't Japanese neither!

I understand if not following the thread, unaware of the trade I'm in, my post could be out of context. But to truly not understand it? There was no special financial terminology even used. If the avg person can't understand it, we're further along the path to Idiocracy than even I assumed.
You are so out of touch with reality is not even funny. You think you are clever but you aren't. In the long run more people have made more money with Tesla than shorting it. I really hope Tesla goes private so I don't have to see your condescending posts.

Someone took a couple of Tesla's to drag strip. The Model 3 Performance is fairly quick:

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Holy free money! Bonds held strong on the $30+ stock drop. SEC "investigating" the tweet LOL - either way, trade still good, but juice dwindling. Bonds at 92 - upside is 101 exit clause vs 420 stock price, and ratio currently 9-12:1. ~30 bucks of juice left on the upside. Downside would be epic obviously. Hopefully Elon jumped the shark for the last time, but that ****ing ******* is teflon coated.
Upside
Downside
Juice
Exit Clause
Ratio

Sure, we can guess at what most those mean in finance, but Juice? Really?
In English, juice comes in flavors: Apple, Orange, etc. Maybe you're giving us a bit of Lemon?
Individually, most of the words are comprehensible, but it seems like you put them in a blender and out came that post.
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Old 08-10-2018, 02:37 PM   #1213
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You are so out of touch with reality is not even funny. You think you are clever but you aren't. In the long run more people have made more money with Tesla than shorting it. I really hope Tesla goes private so I don't have to see your condescending posts.
Which reality is that? Your platitudes are spewed to refute things I haven't even stated. You make no sense.
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Old 08-10-2018, 02:52 PM   #1214
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Upside
Downside
Juice
Exit Clause
Ratio

Sure, we can guess at what most those mean in finance, but Juice? Really?
In English, juice comes in flavors: Apple, Orange, etc. Maybe you're giving us a bit of Lemon?
Individually, most of the words are comprehensible, but it seems like you put them in a blender and out came that post.
Sorry you didn't get it. I am long the bonds and short the stock as a strategy. If you were to overlay the bond and stock prices over a static amount of time, you would find a price range for each instrument. If 1 instrument had a range of 10 and the other a range of 2 over the same time, the ratio would be 110/2) = 1:5.

So, if bonds are 92 and could go to 101, potential gain is 9. If the stock is at 350 and could go to 420, potential gain of 70. If the ratio is 11:1, you have 11 bonds to 1 stock. So, 11X9=99 minus 70 loss on the stock short is 29 bucks of juice. The bond can't go higher on a change of control, and the buyout price of 420 has been set. That is the upside scenario.

If you like the downside scenario, you could fully protect yourself on the upside scenario with fewer bonds - so the calculation comes out to 0 juice. Then you have unlimited profit potential with 0 risk. Or, you could buy even fewer bonds, have profit build more quickly, but have some risk equal to negative juice in an upside scenario.

Make more sense?

Also, the free money I was talking about was because the stock was above 380, and the bonds were at 92. Do that calc, see the juice, and you can see what I made when the stock dumped below 350 - bonds actually avg'd about 91 after the sales settled.

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Old 08-10-2018, 02:55 PM   #1215
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Does Panasonic know about TSLA or Elon Musk and all these sheep?
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Make more sense?
Maybe slightly more. I don't frequent the investment realms, so it's a foreign language to me. Just like my server admin stuff would probably be a foreign language to you.

If I lived in it on a daily basis, I'd know it like you do, but I don't live there.
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Which reality is that? Your platitudes are spewed to refute things I haven't even stated. You make no sense.
You must be a pleasure to talk in person . My wife has a PhD and I have never seen her write in forums the way you do. It is so pretentious.
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You guys would be much better utilizing option strategies on short positions especially for Tesla.

I haven't read any recent news, but are they able to match production for the demand yet? My uncle JUST got his Model 3 after waiting a year and a half on a list.
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Old 08-10-2018, 04:23 PM   #1219
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You guys would be much better utilizing option strategies on short positions especially for Tesla.
Absolutely do - but explaining time decay and how it affects expected return starts to get more complex. BTW good luck grabbing bonds in any quantity at this point - the risk-free arb idea is out of the bag.
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Yet if you're speaking Japanese in a nation that doesn't speak Japanese.....
With all due respect, if you don't think that people are using business language to make money in this nation I have to wonder how you are able to connect to the internet and simultaneously be so clueless on this point!
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With all due respect, if you don't think that people are using business language to make money in this nation I have to wonder how you are able to connect to the internet and simultaneously be so clueless on this point!
You're the one who equated it to Japanese


I'm just saying to know your audience



Was watching Comedians in Cars getting coffee last night. One of the guests (I forget who) was talking about telling a Buddha joke to the Dali Lama. 3 people there (Americans in the back) laughed hysterically. Then he spent some time explaining the joke and finally got a laugh 3 minutes later from the Dali Lama
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This isn't business language... it's online gambling slang.

You're confusing the bookies for the athletes again.
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Med thinks SEC will spank Elon for illegal pump profits to cut out stocks
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Remember when we talked about cars
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Remember when we talked about cars
It's fascinating that a car (company) is responsible for such off-tanget discussions.

It's a ****ing car.


Oh, but it's not just a ****ing car...

Agree to disagree.






Wasn't the internet created for arguing?
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I do like that E. Nick is not responding directly to juanmedia...

(can I say that as a n00b moderator?)
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