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Old 04-03-2017, 11:01 AM   #76
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IMO, it's a bizarre move to not offer a true base model R. Dealers had no trouble selling them. However, looking at the other side of VAG, Porsche's get pricier every year. It won't be long until a base Carrera will be $100,000. My guess is they want the R to be significantly more upscale than the GTI.

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Old 04-03-2017, 11:10 AM   #77
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IMO, it's a bizarre move to not offer a true base model R. Dealers had no trouble selling them. However, looking at the other side of VAG, Porsche's get pricier every year. It won't be long until a base Carrera will be $100,000. My guess is they want the R to be significantly more upscale than the GTI.

It does appear that way. I really wanted an R with a manual and DCC. Nothing more, nothing less. In 2016 you could get that car. Now you have to get all the extra safety stuff that I would likely never use.

The more options you add on a car, typically, the more it depreciates. A base R with either a manual or DSG and nothing else will probably hold it's value the best.
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Old 04-03-2017, 11:20 AM   #78
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I'll say it again, supply and demand.

You are comparing a FWD GTI to an AWD Golf R. That's where you lost me in the first place. One vehicle has heavy incentives, the other does not.

Second, worsepricing on the RS for the consumer, same complaints. No deals, 5k adm's, etc. I bought mine for 3k under sticker. And they said it couldn't be done, everybody told me I was crazy. Multiple dealers, people online. Heavy demand, crap dealer network not budging an inch. If I wanted the R over it, believe you me, I'd have gotten one below MSRP.

Lastly, because I'm not going to address each thing, yet again, in this fruitless and pointless exchange....you are in the Golf R thread telling everyone it's not worth it, etc. Think about that for a minute. And apparently you were interested, couldn't get a deal, and are sour over it. I get it, cost doesn't match your view/opinion. I see it as an Audi R, and know the massive aftermarket gains and potential in tuning and mild bolt ons. All in, I do not agree with you, and think it's worth msrp. As a complete package of awd performance car, luxury car, etc, all in, yep. Finally, for them.
I've said it a few times now, it's the price AND the inept dealers and/or VW corporate management that kept me from the car. If you read what I wrote, I was ready to buy both the R and GTI but the prospect of just putting money down and waiting a few months for a car like this is ridiculous to me. It's just a nice car, not some kind of bespoke craftsman product from a small workshop in Bavaria. I think that commentary is appropriate for a this thread. I think they should make these cars more available and perhaps like thill mentioned, more base models on the lots that are you know, actually available for purchase. It's not supply and demand, it's just mismanagement.
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Old 04-03-2017, 12:10 PM   #79
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According to Car and Driver, no HP or upgrades for the R in 2018.
http://blog.caranddriver.com/volkswa...it-even-better
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Old 04-03-2017, 12:28 PM   #80
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I've said it a few times now, it's the price AND the inept dealers and/or VW corporate management that kept me from the car. If you read what I wrote, I was ready to buy both the R and GTI but the prospect of just putting money down and waiting a few months for a car like this is ridiculous to me. It's just a nice car, not some kind of bespoke craftsman product from a small workshop in Bavaria. I think that commentary is appropriate for a this thread. I think they should make these cars more available and perhaps like thill mentioned, more base models on the lots that are you know, actually available for purchase. It's not supply and demand, it's just mismanagement.
I drank so much VW kool aid I probably have diabetes by now. The R was my "dream" car when it come out. I was set on it but decided to test drive few other cars before ordering one. I am very glad I did because I stumbled upon a WRX and the rest is ancient history. I actually like it more and it cost me 12K less. If the GTI PP was available at the price it is now, I would have probably grabbed that instead. I like the GTI more too, it is lighter and you get 90 percent of the R performance for so much less, it is insane.
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Old 04-03-2017, 02:33 PM   #81
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According to Car and Driver, no HP or upgrades for the R in 2018.
http://blog.caranddriver.com/volkswa...it-even-better
VW loves to stick it to the Americans.. I bet we don't get the new virtual cockpit either...

Pretty impressive that 50% of the GTI's sold are manual transmission. Especially considering how good that DSG is.
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Old 04-03-2017, 02:55 PM   #83
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Pretty impressive that 50% of the GTI's sold are manual transmission. Especially considering how good that DSG is.


We should get the virtual cockpit on the R since it's still coming from Europe. Only ones not getting the virtual cockpit are non-R Golfs.

I'm just assuming we're also getting the ones Canada will be getting.
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Old 04-03-2017, 07:02 PM   #84
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Damn it, no 7 speed DSG and power bump for the R. They really want me to wait and buy something else.
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Old 04-03-2017, 08:26 PM   #85
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I do hope they offer several of the performance package for US market. I think we will see the new Active display info (virtual cockpit) in the US because it will be arriving in the 2018 Atlas and Tiguan. I believe the 2017 e-Golf will have that option as well.
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Old 04-04-2017, 10:38 AM   #86
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I went to a VW dealership on Long Island in New York to look at a 2017 Golf R. The salesman at first said the car was 45K. At first I thought he meant with taxes and everything all in. So I didn't say anything at first. The sales guy let me do a little drive in the lot and after said the 45K figure again. I asked to clarify, and he said they are adding 5K to the price. I got a little visibly upset and told him there was no way I was even paying MSRP. He gives me the run around and says he'll go talk to the manager and see what he says. I honestly think he just went inside and waited two minutes and came back and told me the manager was "willing to work with me". I'm not buying a car from him. Its a really nice car but I also test drove a 2017 STI and I'm impressed. Minus the whole EJ issue there is a good chance I might go STI again. The Subaru salesman offered me 500 over invoice right out of the gate so I'm happy with that so far. I have bought two cars from him before so. We'll see. Im going to another VW dealership to really nail down what I want.
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Go test drive a GTI as well with the DSG or manual. Do not rule it out just because it is not an R. The GTI is a hell of a car and nobody will ever say, you should have bought an R. They will say nice GTI.
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I test drove the GTI with PP and R recently back to back. R is really nice, but not worth the markup to me. Dealers are much more aggressive on discounts for GTI's, best your going to swing on a R is msrp. It'd be super tempting if we were getting the Canadian pricing here in the US on the R.
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Go test drive a GTI as well with the DSG or manual. Do not rule it out just because it is not an R. The GTI is a hell of a car and nobody will ever say, you should have bought an R. They will say nice GTI.
Dunno, I'd have a hard time going back to a VW dealership, especially that dealership, to give them money even if it's for a GTI.
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I mentioned in the previous R thread that I visited three dealerships in order to have a comfortable buying experience.

Dealer 1) No test drive

Dealer 2) $1,000 deposit in order to test drive

Dealer 3) "You're driving an hour to check out this car? We'll pull it off the showroom floor for you."

The dealership I bought from has "The Wall of Shame", where they post other dealer's ADM's. Manager said they NEVER charge over MSRP on any car.


Personally, before any major purchase, I do my homework. So they don't need to sell me on the car, and I don't feel pressured into making a bad decision.
When visiting a Subaru dealership years ago, the salesman pointed to the intercooler and said, "There's the turbo".
I always know more about the car than the salesman does.

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But please come into a VW thread in N&R and let us all know. We were all waiting with baited breath, on pins and needles, just dying to know!
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So far I have zero complaints about my GTI. R is great, but my autobahn GTI is no slouch and I paid 23,950 for it with the world auto CPO warranty extension. Can't beat it.
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Dunno, I'd have a hard time going back to a VW dealership, especially that dealership, to give them money even if it's for a GTI.
Hey I felt the same way after my experiences with VW dealers. I guess I wasn't masochistic enough to keep trying. That said, the GTI with LSD is a heck of alot of car for the money, especially with the crazy incentives. Such a sweet car. It's kind of funny, I've almost bought a GTI so many times dating back to 2001 when I test drove a GTI (loved the torque of that 1.8t) and ended up with the bugeye WRX.
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But please come into a VW thread in N&R and let us all know. We were all waiting with baited breath, on pins and needles, just dying to know!
I was referring to WWhiteSTI's experience and Scrappy's suggestion to go back and try the GTI, you ****ing blowhard.
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Gonna have to go wtih ro1n1 on this one Pre old buddy.
You lamented your car purchase for what 29 years with us before buying your RS?

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Hey I felt the same way after my experiences with VW dealers. I guess I wasn't masochistic enough to keep trying. That said, the GTI with LSD is a heck of alot of car for the money, especially with the crazy incentives. Such a sweet car. It's kind of funny, I've almost bought a GTI so many times dating back to 2001 when I test drove a GTI (loved the torque of that 1.8t) and ended up with the bugeye WRX.
Absolutely agree about the GTI. I test drove one back when the Mk7's had just come out (before the R landed in NA) and it was a riot. Actually, looking back, I'm not sure why I didn't end up with one for a DD... maybe after this BMW.
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I went to 4 dealers, one of them 2 hrs away, and contacted a 5th one over email.

First was trying to get rid of their R for less than MSRP. White, all packages. Couldnt test drive it, but got to try out the GTI. Salesman kicked me out when I started haggling with them. I thought that was how it worked

Second, over email, he was full of hot air and became rude when I told him I wasnt interested anymore.

Third, drove 2 hrs based on email exchange we had. When I got there, they were asking 5k over non negotiable, really pissed me off. "We can work something out" meant they would put the numbers in paper and show me how much I would be paying monthly just to see that I could afford it. Numbers didnt change. Im only interested in the actual cost of the car, not the monthly payment.

Fourth, got there, salesman immediately told me they sold at msrp. They didn't have Lapis Blue so not interested.

Fifth, salesman was actually nice and let me test drive the car. I am glad I did. Car felt nice, but not what I was looking for. Doesn't help that I was comparing it to my Stg1 335i

Overall, the VW experience wasnt good for me.
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I went to 4 dealers, one of them 2 hrs away, and contacted a 5th one over email.

First was trying to get rid of their R for less than MSRP. White, all packages. Couldnt test drive it, but got to try out the GTI. Salesman kicked me out when I started haggling with them. I thought that was how it worked

Second, over email, he was full of hot air and became rude when I told him I wasnt interested anymore.

Third, drove 2 hrs based on email exchange we had. When I got there, they were asking 5k over non negotiable, really pissed me off. "We can work something out" meant they would put the numbers in paper and show me how much I would be paying monthly just to see that I could afford it. Numbers didnt change. Im only interested in the actual cost of the car, not the monthly payment.

Fourth, got there, salesman immediately told me they sold at msrp. They didn't have Lapis Blue so not interested.

Fifth, salesman was actually nice and let me test drive the car. I am glad I did. Car felt nice, but not what I was looking for. Doesn't help that I was comparing it to my Stg1 335i

Overall, the VW experience wasnt good for me.
I never negotiate in person. Ever. I do it all over email. And I ask for the Internet sales manager so I don't have to deal with a middleman. The minute you walk into the dealer you have to deal with salesman crap and they try to wear you down.
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