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Old 08-26-2018, 02:13 PM   #51
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I really hope Subaru does more to separate the looks from the outgoing WRX/STI model that looked dated on arrival five years ago. The boomerang headlights have run their course and other manufacturers are being much more creative with their LED headlight designs. Why does Subaru always have to hold on to outdated styling cues? Feels like a lot of their interior/exterior designs are a generation behind.
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Old 08-26-2018, 02:41 PM   #52
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I really hope Subaru does more to separate the looks from the outgoing WRX/STI model that looked dated on arrival five years ago. The boomerang headlights have run their course and other manufacturers are being much more creative with their LED headlight designs. Why does Subaru always have to hold on to outdated styling cues? Feels like a lot of their interior/exterior designs are a generation behind.

Keep this in mind with that question. And help me out if I am missing a model or something; but.........the Ascent uses the SAME headlight as the Outback/Legacy. I'm thinking that hasn't been done since the 80s with Subaru. Talk about "lazy" design......
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Old 08-26-2018, 09:45 PM   #53
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Keep this in mind with that question. And help me out if I am missing a model or something; but.........the Ascent uses the SAME headlight as the Outback/Legacy. I'm thinking that hasn't been done since the 80s with Subaru. Talk about "lazy" design......
Yes but I'm not sure if it's lazy/cheap or that Subaru believes their boomerang LED headlights are a brand signature but to me it makes their new cars look like their old cars as we aren't talking BMW here where the halo's carry some upscale tradition.
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Old 08-26-2018, 10:34 PM   #54
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Because of the aftermarket that's not a priority for Subaru?


I'm not saying the CVT is the best thing out there. Heck, I'm not even saying it can't be improved. It certainly can. The example I use is ECVT to LCVT to 2nd gen, to HTCVT to whatever we want to call the Ascents CVT. It's just getting better and better. Handling more power around each turn. Eventually, the CVT will be faster than the MT. Then it comes down to "you should be manually shifting in a car like that" or "I don't like the feel of the CVT/Auto". Both of which are subjective.
I agree. From someone who came from a WRX TR and then a rally whale STI, I am quite happy with my '14FXT. I cannot stand that the newer models reportedly simulate shifts in all SI-Drive modes; however, if I had an STI that delivered similar performance scaled to STI levels, I'd be perfectly happy!

Seriously, eff DCT and MT's for me, if some modern version of the Super HTCVT can handle future-STI levels of power. If my previous '08 STI could induce 90's-video-game levels of peripheral blur, and our '14 FXT used to be able to throw us back in our seats in "2nd gear", I have high hopes for some future STI variant, MT or CVT.

I would love to have a powerful MT to the end of my days, but my left hip/knee request otherwise. Unlike the WRX, the STI's clutch was super freaking heavy and a MAJOR chore to drive in traffic. This killed the fun for me, as a DD. I feel as if I speak more for the majority of the Subaru market, rather than the few dozen in their 20s (as I once was) who can afford an STI AND would actually purchase one.

Seriously, how many of you jamokes would actually purchase a new FA24DIT STI with an otherwise same drive-train? I sure as hell wouldn't, and would wait a few years to figure out whether it's OK to do so. We can all talk as much as we want about what we want/need, but if we're not paying for it, then we're just noise to Subaru. I didn't do any favors to Subaru, purchasing my '08 STI back in '08, when they had to knock off $7k+ to get rid of them.

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Old 08-27-2018, 01:29 PM   #55
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Clueless. If by shiny plasti-fest and subpar materials, youíre right, STI is better.
Have you owned a 1 series or are you talking out your ass?
Do you have any real knowledge about quality of materials? Or are you just turned on by flashy plastics? Do some real research, or actually own the vehicles before spouting bad info.
The1980s instrument cluster they still use was enough for me to not consider any BMW when I was car shopping. That **** is ugly AF. You sound triggered!
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Old 08-27-2018, 01:31 PM   #56
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When I go to leave work and I start up my car in the parking garage, and step out, I can feel the whole building rumbling and thatís really the selling point for me right there.
Donít forget to grab your vape box off the roof of your STi before you drive off 😂
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Old 08-27-2018, 07:56 PM   #57
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The1980s instrument cluster they still use was enough for me to not consider any BMW when I was car shopping. That **** is ugly AF. You sound triggered!
Not liking the layout or style is different than the quality of materials. Completely different. This is not a style discussion, but a quality discussion, if you bothered to read earlier posts.
Real aluminum is used.
Real carbon fiber is used.
Much better leather is used.
The seatís side pleather doesnít crank wide open after 3 years of age.
The ergos are far superior. Adjustable bolsters etc to an almost perfect seat for any person.
The seat design and comfort isnít even in the same ball park.
The stitching is much higher quality (Iíve seen Subaruís on the showroom floor with 3mi on the odo with stitching coming apart.
The stereo sound quality are superior.
Plastics are of much higher quality and less plastics feel overall.

No real comparison. I get Ďtriggeredí when people spout off and pull stuff out their Aís when they have zero factual data or experience. It sounds like fanboyism.
If you like Subaruís style of interior, great, eat it up. But donít tout the actual material quality over most any of the German brands - you just sound foolish.
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Old 08-28-2018, 01:03 PM   #58
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Not liking the layout or style is different than the quality of materials. Completely different. This is not a style discussion, but a quality discussion, if you bothered to read earlier posts.
Real aluminum is used.
Real carbon fiber is used.
Much better leather is used.
The seatís side pleather doesnít crank wide open after 3 years of age.
The ergos are far superior. Adjustable bolsters etc to an almost perfect seat for any person.
The seat design and comfort isnít even in the same ball park.
The stitching is much higher quality (Iíve seen Subaruís on the showroom floor with 3mi on the odo with stitching coming apart.
The stereo sound quality are superior.
Plastics are of much higher quality and less plastics feel overall.

No real comparison. I get Ďtriggeredí when people spout off and pull stuff out their Aís when they have zero factual data or experience. It sounds like fanboyism.
If you like Subaruís style of interior, great, eat it up. But donít tout the actual material quality over most any of the German brands - you just sound foolish.
You call all of those facts?!
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Old 08-28-2018, 05:03 PM   #59
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Well, my mom has an ‘07 328xi wagon comparably equipped to my ‘05 Legacy GT wagon and while she has 50k more miles on her BMW, all of her interior bits are by far in better shape than my Legacy. Leather, plastics, seatbelts, carpet, switches, foam, handles, everything has held up better. You can just tell the materials are spec’d out higher. As well they should though. Her car’s MSRP was $53k. Mine was $30k. Can I ignore the quality and be perfectly happy with my car? You betcha. Would it be nice to have the option to swap in that interior? Yes! Especially those adjustable seats.
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Old 08-28-2018, 09:15 PM   #60
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You call all of those facts?!
Dude it’s a bad comparison as the worst interior BMW makes is miles better than Subaru’s best. Let’s have some objectivity here. That said Subaru is finally making some improvements in their interior design and execution. No longer amongst the worst in the business.
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Old 08-29-2018, 08:37 AM   #61
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Why are we comparing Subaru and BMW again?
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Why are we comparing Subaru and BMW again?
it because there is nothing to really talk about right now pertaining to subaru
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Old 08-29-2018, 10:25 AM   #63
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Could we pick a more ludicrous brand to compare with?
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Forum got off the rails.
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DCT is dead

With EV market share still less than 2%, the ICE is hardly dead. EV market share is steadily increasing, however I suspect ICE will still be around for quite some time especially in hybrid format. EV adoptions for national fleets won't just happen overnight. Manuals aren't dead, they are on life support with various enthusiast vehicles keeping them alive.
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An M2 with ICE, DCT or Manual is boring old tech and screams '2010s'.
Wow, hard to think that a 405HP turbo inline six is now considered boring.
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Old 08-29-2018, 02:27 PM   #67
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I'm surprised no one from a dealer has posted this yet, but at our pre-launch Ascent training early this year they talked about future product timeline. Legacy/Outback is obviously 2020 Model Year, but they mentioned WRX/STI will be 2021 MY. It bummed me out.
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Old 08-29-2018, 02:52 PM   #68
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With EV market share still less than 2%, the ICE is hardly dead. EV market share is steadily increasing, however I suspect ICE will still be around for quite some time especially in hybrid format. EV adoptions for national fleets won't just happen overnight. Manuals aren't dead, they are on life support with various enthusiast vehicles keeping them alive.
Technology-wise its' dead, the industry is in denial and the consumers are clueless (as usual)... they'll just lap up whatever Big Oil and Auto Industry will sell them so long as its all-new (and relatively trouble-free until the lease or warranty period is up) has AndroidAuto/AppleCarPlay, touch screens, and creature comforts.

Supply/demand consumption-wise - yes, agreed - the consumers are the saving grace of the behind-the-times auto industry and will continue to provide life-support for ICE for another 10-15 years, easy.
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Wow, hard to think that a 405HP turbo inline six is now considered boring.
Just more change as usual... today's M-cars are just nowhere near as fun as their mid/late 90s counterparts (especially across the pond as the US flavors were already meh back then). The current M2s performance is a useless tease on public roads, the car can't even begin to stretch its legs - so either track toy or garage queen status - boring.
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I'm surprised no one from a dealer has posted this yet, but at our pre-launch Ascent training early this year they talked about future product timeline. Legacy/Outback is obviously 2020 Model Year, but they mentioned WRX/STI will be 2021 MY. It bummed me out.
that means that next year at one of the auto shows, we should see it get revealed after we see a camouflaged car running around, and after both the legacy and outback are revealed as well. but it makes you wonder, will a more accurate pre-production version be shown then with certain confirmed feautures
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that means that next year at one of the auto shows, we should see it get revealed after we see a camouflaged car running around, and after both the legacy and outback are revealed as well. but it makes you wonder, will a more accurate pre-production version be shown then with certain confirmed feautures
Yeah, I'm guessing a late fall concept, with spy shot camo'd cars to follow a few months after.
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Old 08-29-2018, 04:08 PM   #72
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I'm surprised no one from a dealer has posted this yet, but at our pre-launch Ascent training early this year they talked about future product timeline. Legacy/Outback is obviously 2020 Model Year, but they mentioned WRX/STI will be 2021 MY. It bummed me out.
I have not chimed in because I get conflicting info. None of them will stand behind 2021. Even the ones that said 2021. I gave up asking. It'll get here when it gets here.
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Why is it taking an additional year over previous gen? The SGP Impreza will be riding on it's 5th year due for a completely new generation by the time it drops. Sometimes I prefer the old poor unsuccessful GM stake Subaru to the current one. 7 years of the current WRX with very little change. Ridiculous.
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Old 08-30-2018, 01:08 AM   #74
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Just more change as usual... today's M-cars are just nowhere near as fun as their mid/late 90s counterparts (especially across the pond as the US flavors were already meh back then). The current M2s performance is a useless tease on public roads, the car can't even begin to stretch its legs - so either track toy or garage queen status - boring.
Hardly, lol. Talk about a completely stupid, exaggerated blanket statement.
M2 is far from boring. Driven Ďem - not even the Comp model.
Actually quite the driverís car. BMW did good on this one. Get yo head checked.
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M2 is far from boring. Driven Ďem - not even the Comp model. Actually quite the driverís car. BMW did good on this one.
To each his own Brahmzy. This concept must escape you. Nearly two decades ago, I daily drove a E36 EU-spec M3 for 8+ years - now that was a driver's car worthy of its era. The M2 they sell now doesn't even come close. For as many counter-arguments as anyone can come up with, I doubt I am alone in this opinion. If anything, the current M2 makes a good weekend toy for the opposite sex.
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