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Old 03-25-2019, 12:37 PM   #151
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Which is kind of a funny thing to say since they say that's where they focused their attention The lack of character lines was intentional...it's definitely unique in that regard, but looks awkward in all the photos and videos I've seen. Have not yet gotten to see one in person.
I thought it looked much better in person than in pictures.
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Old 03-25-2019, 12:41 PM   #152
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Skylab- Thanks for the video link.


No MT for AWD.. and 186hp/lb-ft torque.. meh.
Yeah, handling might be good but thats true for most slow cars.

Canadians, it's Mah-zu-dah (actually Matsuda). Not mAAHzda
They have a new engine coming soon for the 3 called the Skyactiv X. Will be able to produce higher torque, some of the rumors I have seen said the HP would be about the same but the torque would be closer to 200ft lbs and you will get better gas mileage.

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Old 03-25-2019, 12:45 PM   #153
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Skylab- Thanks for the video link.


No MT for AWD.. and 186hp/lb-ft torque.. meh.
Yeah, handling might be good but thats true for most slow cars.

Canadians, it's Mah-zu-dah (actually Matsuda). Not mAAHzda
No MT for the FWD either. No MT at all for the 2019 Mazda 3.
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Old 03-25-2019, 01:19 PM   #154
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No MT for the FWD either. No MT at all for the 2019 Mazda 3.



https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...hback-pricing/

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The only way to get the six-speed manual transmission is to opt for the front-wheel-drive 3 hatchback in its Premium trim, which offers the stick shift as a no-cost option for $28,395.
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Old 03-25-2019, 04:16 PM   #155
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They have a new engine coming soon for the 3 called the Skyactiv X. Will be able to produce higher torque, some of the rumors I have seen said the HP would be about the same but the torque would be closer to 200ft lbs and you will get better gas mileage.
Thanks for the info.. still tough to compete vs GTI with only 200lb/ft when most are running 300lbs+ easily with a $350 piggy back. I guess the mpg is what they are after..
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Old 03-25-2019, 04:43 PM   #156
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I was just on Mazda's website and "building" a 2019 Mazda 3. For every trim for both FWD and AWD, I wasn't given an option about MT or Auto. They were all 6spd AT. Whereas with the 2018 Mazda 3 5dr, you have MT/AT options when building.
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Old 03-25-2019, 06:22 PM   #157
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Thanks for the info.. still tough to compete vs GTI with only 200lb/ft when most are running 300lbs+ easily with a $350 piggy back. I guess the mpg is what they are after..
Mazda has not really been about horsepower since they dropped the Speed3. The masses, whom this vehicle targets, cares more about tech, mpg, looks, etc.

I would be all for a 250hp 2019 speed 3 using the AWD system. I just don't think Mazda cares.

I will say this Hyundai was doing some good stuff with the Elantra sedan but then just completely ruined it with the 19 front end refresh. It's so bad that I think Mazda will steal some sales.
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Old 03-25-2019, 06:30 PM   #158
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Was curious about what AWD system Mazda used.
Here are more details about it
https://insidemazda.mazdausa.com/the...drive-systems/

How I read it, its a non full time AWD that is reactive, but also predictive. It predicts when it will need more grip and will adjust accordingly.
If its below freezing its pretty seamless. In warm weather its not very good. If i floor it from a stop on wet roads, the fronts will spin a bit before it kicks in.
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If its below freezing its pretty seamless. In warm weather its not very good. If i floor it from a stop on wet roads, the fronts will spin a bit before it kicks in.
Ummmmmm

That sounds like krap execution on Mazda’s part.
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Old 03-25-2019, 11:58 PM   #160
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Yikes! That awd system sounds like it needs some work 😳
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Old 03-26-2019, 08:01 AM   #161
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Meh, Mazda..boring!!

Most people don't even want sedans this day in age. Why bring boring.. are these intended for rental car agencies?
Bring the MS3 in AWD and we can maybe talk. Until then, stick with your MX5 and SUV's.
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Yeah, I have to agree that the Koreans are A LOT more connected to what most folks want than Mazda. This is sad.
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Meh, Mazda..boring!!

Most people don't even want sedans this day in age. Why bring boring.. are these intended for rental car agencies?
Bring the MS3 in AWD and we can maybe talk. Until then, stick with your MX5 and SUV's.
So to you, what's an exciting, affordable, semi-practical car?
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Mazda is a small company with very limited resources (roughly 1/4 of what Kia + Hyundai sell in the US alone), that's not the same as being disconnected from their client base. They know better than any of us, we can only make guesses, and are doing what they think they need to do to survive. At the end of the day enthusiasts are not a large group and probably wouldn't contribute to many ACTUAL sales...a lot of people screaming for new cars just want to buy them secondhand.
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Old 03-26-2019, 09:36 AM   #165
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So to you, what's an exciting, affordable, semi-practical car?
For me, my WRX is great. It's cheap, fun to mod, and fun to drive. If FWD is acceptable, I would get a MT GTI..
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Old 03-26-2019, 09:36 AM   #166
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Was curious about what AWD system Mazda used.
Here are more details about it
https://insidemazda.mazdausa.com/the...drive-systems/

How I read it, its a non full time AWD that is reactive, but also predictive. It predicts when it will need more grip and will adjust accordingly.
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ADVANTAGE OF I-ACTIV AWD
What has been needed is an AWD system that is truly predictive – one that measures more than just wheel speed and engine power to decide where to apply torque. That’s what Mazda engineers did when they developed the i-ACTIV AWD system. By monitoring 27 different sensors over 200 times per second, i-ACTIV AWD considers not only wheel speed and engine dynamics, but g-forces, driver inputs to the braking and steering systems, outside temperature and even windshield wiper activity.

By constantly monitoring different factors around the vehicle, i-ACTIV AWD is able to predict upcoming conditions, allocating engine torque to the necessary wheel to maintain control, stability and forward momentum.
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Madza decided their AWD system needed to be like everyone else's AWD system. Pretty sure Subaru is the only one still using 100% mechanical "passive" AWD systems. Everyone else is using an active coupling which is tied into data from the vehicle bus and can make smart decisions. I love the way marketing makes it sound like a brand new idea. The whole point of an active system is that you can do smart things with it. Anyone still making or using a "dumb" active system is at least 5 years behind the technology curve at this point. Mazda is talking about adding features that we put into production for GM and JLR back in 2014, FCA in 2015, Ford in 2016...



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If its below freezing its pretty seamless. In warm weather its not very good. If i floor it from a stop on wet roads, the fronts will spin a bit before it kicks in.
Likely a software condition / threshold that says when below xx°C maintain AWD just in case there is snow or ice. Above that temp it's allowed to go into a 2WD state and wait for there to be a need for AWD. This performance is very similar to the Jeep Cherokee. It's pretty good in cold temps, but in warm weather it doesn't take much to spin the front wheels and frown at the delay before AWD kicks in.


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That sounds like krap execution on Mazda’s part.
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Yikes! That awd system sounds like it needs some work ��
Always a balance between performance and fuel economy. Enabling / activating AWD more often helps prevent the front wheel flare events, but it also sucks down energy and generates drag that reduces fuel economy. I don't recall if it was something I watched or another article in N&R, but supposedly Mazda maintains the highest average fuel economy as a brand and is the only one without a BEV to boost those numbers. Maybe they had to sacrifice a little bit of performance to ensure the car cleared an efficiency / emissions threshold.
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Starting with their TV commercials, they need to hire a better PR team, I think! They've been in the US market for a long time and still corny.
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Yeah, I have to agree that the Koreans are A LOT more connected to what most folks want than Mazda. This is sad.
You, I, we, are not "most folks". Madza actually IS connected to what most folks want. Most people don't want a high horsepower, manual trans, AWD hot hatch. Most people want an affordable, efficient, comfortable car with new technology and features which make the commute livable. What enthusiasts want accounts for less than 5% of the market.
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For me, my WRX is great. It's cheap, fun to mod, and fun to drive. If FWD is acceptable, I would get a MT GTI..


“Most people don’t want sedans”, then goes on to recommend a sedan.

And cheap is relative, the Mazda 3 is much more affordable than a WRX.
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And cheap is relative, the Mazda 3 is much more affordable than a WRX.
probably 10x more reliable, too.
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Old 03-27-2019, 09:21 AM   #171
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“Most people don’t want sedans”, then goes on to recommend a sedan.

And cheap is relative, the Mazda 3 is much more affordable than a WRX.
No, I'm not recommending anything. I was asked what was affordable fun to me, so I replied. I'm not a sedan guy either, but I own 2 (STI & WRX) since Subaru did a great job on the VA, made an exception.

You're right, cheap is relative. Not directly at the Mazda in question, but spending $20-25K on a halfarsed car is expensive to me. If getting just a day to day beater, I'd spend less or spend more and get something that has more practicality or fun to drive.. if that makes any sense.
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It makes sense that a hatch is more practical than a sedan for those who need and use the space. Calling a Mazda3 a half-arsed car does not make sense. They are very good cars. They simply aren't what you or I or most others on NASIOC are looking for in an automobile. Lacking a manual trans and 300hp doesn't make a car suck. It just makes it a car for a different buyer and market segment than you fall into.
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Mazda is hands down my favorite pleb car maker. They look fantastic, offer effortless MPG in excess of their EPA ratings, and the engineering of all the less-than-obvious aspects are fantastic. Their engines and drivetrains are fantastic. The suspension feels better than most sports cars I drive (just as stiff or stiffer when it needs to be, and far more comfy when it hits bumps). The dynamics are always on point.

As far as the AWD system goes, as long as it can turn on when I really need it and handle mild inclement weather like snow without slipping everywhere, then it's fine. Most modern "AWD" systems (electrically engaged afterthoughts) aren't as good as subaru. That's fine. I don't need subaru's AWD on my DD for 90% of the year and I wouldn't want the waste it would entail just to get slightly better performance in that 10% if I was a normal person shopping for a normal cheap car.

I really wish they'd offer a true sports car with some power and a hard top.
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Mazda is hands down my favorite pleb car maker. They look fantastic, offer effortless MPG in excess of their EPA ratings, and the engineering of all the less-than-obvious aspects are fantastic. Their engines and drivetrains are fantastic. The suspension feels better than most sports cars I drive (just as stiff or stiffer when it needs to be, and far more comfy when it hits bumps). The dynamics are always on point.

As far as the AWD system goes, as long as it can turn on when I really need it and handle mild inclement weather like snow without slipping everywhere, then it's fine. Most modern "AWD" systems (electrically engaged afterthoughts) aren't as good as subaru. That's fine. I don't need subaru's AWD on my DD for 90% of the year and I wouldn't want the waste it would entail just to get slightly better performance in that 10% if I was a normal person shopping for a normal cheap car.
That's like saying you don't need snow tires in the winter except for the 10% of the time when you do. Snow tires are an insurance policy that work better than all seasons in the inclement weather. AWD is the same insurance policy. Doubly so with snow tires. Do you need it all the time, nope. Not at all. But it's great to have when it's called upon.

I want that buffer to keep me out of harms way, out of others ways, in such weather where it's useful. (Rain plays into this also).

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It makes sense that a hatch is more practical than a sedan for those who need and use the space. Calling a Mazda3 a half-arsed car does not make sense. They are very good cars. They simply aren't what you or I or most others on NASIOC are looking for in an automobile. Lacking a manual trans and 300hp doesn't make a car suck. It just makes it a car for a different buyer and market segment than you fall into.
Mazda has and always will make good cars. Their engineering is top notch for the segment. I would cross shop this with an impreza anyday.
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