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Old 08-02-2020, 01:03 PM   #376
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I understand economics quite well. Toyota were the ones publicly stating they were sorry, they were going to make performance vehicles again, blah blah. Itís a halo car in a sense to bring attention to the brand. Had they not built it, Iíd 100% agree with you. But they R&Díd it, built it, etc. Itís going to other markets in low production numbers, so not bringing it here, sorry I donít buy it. Itís not like itís JDM only.
Itís probably then a regulatory cost thing to certify it here versus the other markets theyíre bringing it to. A total guess here though that that is the case. Probably combined with the fact that they donít think thereís a market for a micro performance hatch in the US.
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Old 08-02-2020, 05:00 PM   #377
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Probably combined with the fact that they donít think thereís a market for a micro performance hatch in the US.
Yeah, unfortunately I think the 500 Abarth and FiestaST's would've sold a lot more if there was a market for small hot hatches in the USA.. and MINI's would've remained the 2000-2006(?) smaller size.
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Old 08-02-2020, 06:10 PM   #378
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Yeah, unfortunately I think the 500 Abarth and FiestaST's would've sold a lot more if there was a market for small hot hatches in the USA.. and MINI's would've remained the 2000-2006(?) smaller size.
Well if either of them had AWD, they might have sold a lot more. The FiST is a cool bit of car, but being FWD it was never an option for me. Just like the CTR, no AWD no care. Yaris GR4 was the perfect car and I am sure many of us that had GD STI's were really hoping for a small light weight AWD hatch.
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Old 08-03-2020, 01:37 AM   #379
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Itís probably then a regulatory cost thing to certify it here versus the other markets theyíre bringing it to. A total guess here though that that is the case. Probably combined with the fact that they donít think thereís a market for a micro performance hatch in the US.
Thatís always brought up but bs in the grand scheme of things. It really is.
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Old 08-03-2020, 09:31 AM   #380
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Well if either of them had AWD, they might have sold a lot more. The FiST is a cool bit of car, but being FWD it was never an option for me. Just like the CTR, no AWD no care. Yaris GR4 was the perfect car and I am sure many of us that had GD STI's were really hoping for a small light weight AWD hatch.
FWD does suck. I doubt AWD would've turned it into a money making machine, however.
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Old 08-03-2020, 03:36 PM   #381
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FWD does suck. I doubt AWD would've turned it into a money making machine, however.
I think the FiST would of been far more successful if it was AWD. The WRX/STI wouldn't be what they are, if they were just FWD.
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Old 08-03-2020, 04:39 PM   #382
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I think the FiST would of been far more successful if it was AWD. The WRX/STI wouldn't be what they are, if they were just FWD.
If the FiST came in AWD with 220hp, it would be a god damn blast to drive. My only complaint was back when they came out, my lats were too big and I couldnít fit in the seat. It was a pretty fun little car though.
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Old 08-03-2020, 05:25 PM   #383
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True, even today I have a hard time fitting into the FiST. I feel so cramped, but then that's the fun of zipping to the stores in that little scooter, I guess. I get a lot of compliments on the FiST though.. big fan base, it seems.

I still hate FWD.. FWD just sucks.
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Old 08-03-2020, 10:39 PM   #384
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True, even today I have a hard time fitting into the FiST. I feel so cramped, but then that's the fun of zipping to the stores in that little scooter, I guess. I get a lot of compliments on the FiST though.. big fan base, it seems.

I still hate FWD.. FWD just sucks.
I could probably fit now, but back then, I was literally on top of the side bolsters. I couldnít get my back to touch / mold into the seats. It was a fun car though and I could have probably fit in with a set of Evo Xl seats.

AWD would have made that car so awesome. The GTI and Civic Type R are the only FWD cars worth mentioning or owning. Any other fwd car that is ďperformanceĒ based is a joke.

Here is what the big autoís seem to miss (usdm and jdm). You do not need a lot of horsepower, heíll, you donít really need 300hp in a light AWD manual hatch. Give it 220-240hp turbo, AWD, with legit diffs in a 6 speed thatís under $30k and you have a solid winner. Hyundai seems to be on the right path and I suspect itís only a matter of time before they have an AWD turbo hatch making 220-250hp in manual that brings back that cheap yet fun factor.

Iíll be damned but my inner boy racer is still alive and well. There is just nothing available that fits the ticket
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Old 08-04-2020, 12:00 AM   #385
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The GTI and Civic Type R are the only FWD cars worth mentioning or owning. Any other fwd car that is “performance” based is a joke.
A big NO from me, I had a MK7 GTI Autobahn with DSG at one time, I hated that thing.. and FWD with high torque is just wheel spin in real world driving.

I bought the FiST to match the level of dumb people who have no respect for other people's cars at the stores. It's a pocket change worry-free scooter I park everywhere which brings value. Ironically I've not gotten one ding from parking at the most crowded lots due to its narrow width, I think.

I've read about Supra and other sports car owners worrying about their cars parked at daily routine places like at Target, bars, parking structures, shopping malls, etc. I have no such concerns, thanks to my FiST. My cars are safe at home. That's definitely worth owning the FiST to me for running errands and daily tasks.
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Here is what the big autoís seem to miss (usdm and jdm). You do not need a lot of horsepower, heíll, you donít really need 300hp in a light AWD manual hatch. Give it 220-240hp turbo, AWD, with legit diffs in a 6 speed thatís under $30k and you have a solid winner. Hyundai seems to be on the right path and I suspect itís only a matter of time before they have an AWD turbo hatch making 220-250hp in manual that brings back that cheap yet fun factor.
Toyota literally just made that and the f heads at Toyo USA corp told Japan no on bringing it here. The base model, converted was low 30k range, and they could have sold it for 30k even. The optional package that gives it front and rear diffs, mid to high 30k range. Iíd have my deposit in right now for 2021 delivery and would pay MSRP. And I have never paid MSRP for a vehicle in my life. Still pissed. It is going to be soul crushing to watch you boob videos early next year of people in much smaller markets than ours, taking delivery. Then modding, and having fun. All the while we get some Corolla hatchback POS.
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Old 08-04-2020, 09:53 AM   #388
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you guys are delusional, I am sorry, but an AWD FiST was never going to happen. The fact that we got an FiST at all was amazing. Ultra compact AWD performance machines is like three layers deep in Niche world. It would never sell, because it would be priced where a Fusion would have been, and 2 people may have bought it not counting the 3 or 4 they would need to give Ken block head to destroy.

Sadly the age of cool cars is dying. We get lingering dinosaurs form Chrysler still around, and while they are not without a certain simple charm, they have shown their hand and they are out of tricks.

People want gadgets over cars now. They want screens over fun. Driving is a chore to most as roads have grown too congested to have any fun. Big urban landscapes suffocate people and cars alike. Just going out for a drive which is something I use to do all the time is difficult unless you plan your adventure at 3am on Sunday.

The writing is on the wall everywhere you look. Cars are being canceled and CUVs are the norm. Cars like the Supra are a shot in the dark, or a shooting star more like. Wont last long.

Look for more cars like the Bronco, and other truck/CUV based things to stir up excitement. Everything is heavy and tech laden and just boring to drive unless you can spend 100k or up.

If you guys want a great driving experience but an older car. Import a grey market Celica GT4, or an old EVO. Get something you can work on and have fun with. It will likely not be your daily anyway. Fun in new cars is nearly impossible to have as so many compromises have been made. Driving aids being mandatory is the death song of the manual.

the fact the WRX is still being made shocks me. I hope this next one is really something special. But I am not holding my breath.
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Old 08-04-2020, 10:03 AM   #389
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The fact that we got an FiST at all was amazing.
Indeed. It's a great little vehicle to zip to around town in. Mine is lightly modded too for extra comedy...(intake/exhaust/bov/front splitter). It's a cool little scooter. The torque steer is so bad I've not considered doing AP. I get so much compliments on the car it's funny.
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Old 08-04-2020, 12:17 PM   #390
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Old 08-04-2020, 01:19 PM   #391
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In simple terms if you don't mind the donkey look and want MT, go with the M2C. If you want a hardtop 2 seater with an artistic body (and don't mind the ZF) get the Supra.

Actually I minded the ZF originally as I'm an MT guy (and still am), but it's actually quite good on the Supra and I like it. The more I drive the car, the more I like it. But my STI is still my go-to car for fun driving followed by my Golf-R. The Supra makes for a killer decoration in my garage though.. so beautiful.

Next up I'm thinking a new IS350F, but I might get a new RC-F instead to just add to my line up.
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I had an M2 and I prefer my Supra but I have no clue what I would get next, literally no idea but it probably will be a manual.
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I had an M2 and I prefer my Supra but I have no clue what I would get next, literally no idea but it probably will be a manual.
Yeah, for me I'm at a point I'm a bit tired of the exterior's poor fit and finish of Euro-precision cars so want to get the high quality Japan-made car next (ie: Lexus)..

It does not need to be the hottest sporty contender of the pack as I'm going for high quality vs performance. I am keeping my other cars for sporty driving anyway.

I just worry the next gen IS350F is not going to be special enough for me to keep long term and would be smarter to get the RC-F.

And from this point forward, all cars I buy will be AT as I am not getting any younger and my left ankle has been giving me issues again off and on.. will keep my current MT cars until the day I decide my time is up with MT.
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Old 08-06-2020, 04:36 PM   #394
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My FiST made me tire of FWD, but oddly I'm not tired of my FiST, it's fun, paid for, and cheap to own. No new cars until I buy a house and rent or sell my condo. I'll keep the FiST because I'd miss it, and buy a used RWD. Maybe grab an used out of warranty Supra and manual swap it. I think it looks oodles better than the BMW offerings, and there's no other new RWDs in my budget that attract me.
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Thought the wife would want to dump the GTI after a track day. Nope

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Old 08-07-2020, 10:01 AM   #396
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My FiST made me tire of FWD, but oddly I'm not tired of my FiST, it's fun, paid for, and cheap to own. No new cars until I buy a house and rent or sell my condo. I'll keep the FiST because I'd miss it, and buy a used RWD. Maybe grab an used out of warranty Supra and manual swap it. I think it looks oodles better than the BMW offerings, and there's no other new RWDs in my budget that attract me.
The FiST is no doubt a fun comical car..

I think the problem with mine is how I drive it..since I only drive the thing for short trips I punch everything out of it most of the time.. and that results in major torque steer. It's like a MS3 level comical torque steer.. aka auto lane change feature as I keep accidentally cutting-off people on my left. LOL

If I drive normally it's actually a pretty fun car (a lot more fun to drive than the MT GTI my buddy has) and has basically everything one would want amenity wise.. powerful a/c auto-climate control, decent stereo with CarPlay, etc. ..well mine is a 2016 so no rear view camera.

I agree with you on the RWD cars out today. Besides the Supra the only other RWD I wanted was a Cayman, but I'm probably doing that on another day.
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The FiST is no doubt a fun comical car..

I think the problem with mine is how I drive it..since I only drive the thing for short trips I punch everything out of it most of the time.. and that results in major torque steer. It's like a MS3 level comical torque steer.. aka auto lane change feature as I keep accidentally cutting-off people on my left. LOL
True, the torque steer can be a pain at times. The traction loss at WOT in first and second has taught me to moderate the throttle a lot, but sometimes you just want to stomp it. I plan on getting the LSD when it's clutch time, but I am only at 36k on my '14, so that is going to be a while, lol.

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I agree with you on the RWD cars out today. Besides the Supra the only other RWD I wanted was a Cayman, but I'm probably doing that on another day.
I always forget about the Cayman, definitely a viable option as well, and there is a **** ton of them out there if one is going used.
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