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Old 07-01-2019, 12:36 PM   #51
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It's the hipster vehicle here. I mean the 2015+, I see every time I drive anywhere. I know that many people like to be driving the same thing others do. But that fact, along with the Camry looks, or the fact that it just looks every other sedan out there, well I don't blame you. I've talked to a bunch of people that owned it and got rid of it. They said it was just bland and there wasn't anything special about anything with the car. It's just the cheap solution, and for the money a solid value but once you get the trims at 30k and up, maybe not. IMO, it's just bland and "safe". Performance cars I think you need to push it, take some chances, be bold. Make something special, iconic. This is why I have bought things other than Subaru's over the last 7 years.
My wife really liked the WRX she test drive. She cross shopped it against a Mazda 6 and Honda Accord. I think it is an improvement in many respects over the WRX I owned 11 years ago but not enough for me. Not sure what I would buy now for an AWD performance car with 4 doors. Golf R has a great motor but not great handling, Focus RS is discontinued, the new Hyundai May have some potential but it is slower and I bet doesnít handle like my Evo...
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But that fact, along with the Camry looks, or the fact that it just looks every other sedan out there, well I don't blame you. I've talked to a bunch of people that owned it and got rid of it. They said it was just bland and there wasn't anything special about anything with the car.
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Nope. It was just a good opportunity to state some things that others are afraid to, and then some others don't wanna hear.
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Nope. It was just a good opportunity to state some things that others are afraid to, and then some others don't wanna hear.
Ah ok. Seemed like you thought I wanted to get rid of my WRX because it's not exciting or appealing enough. I'm 100% content with its looks and performance.

WRX bro-boy image is a definite con of ownership for me, but practically I'm most disappointed by quality and reliability. Whew, pretty freeing to say that out loud.

I'm sort of proud of Mitsu for how reliable the EVO turned out to be. If it had folding rear seats I probably would have bought one in 2013/14 and still be driving it now.
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ANY Mitsubishi is more reliable than the average Subaru already

of the two i have, and the one my mom has ... zero issues, minor recalls (door latch, ACD pump failure- doesn't affect drive-ability, warrantied to 100k)

lets try Subaru ... same head gasket issues on the same motor they've been building for 30 years, banjo bolt filters that clog and destroy engines/turbos, gas leaking in the engine bay recalls, and other current recalls of the month.

Subaru must be commended, though, for maintaining this reputation for "reliability" when they are FAR from it in reality.
And you were calling someone else a Subaru fanboi...

Without looking by vin, just a quick search https://www.kbb.com/ownership/recalls/mitsubishi/

I've never owned a mitsu, but my parents purchased two new. The first was a 90 galant they only put about 40k on, and they gave to their parents when they wanted something more comfortable and fun, and I recall the only problems it had were several oil leaks and some kind of transmission issue a couple years later. It was a neat car, I like the button that sort of changed the ride feel, and the interior was comfy. My parents are neat freaks, always kept it clean and serviced.

The other was a 94 Diamante. The car had transmission problems maybe a year after purchased, had to visit the dealer several times to get it taken care of correctly. It also had several oil leaks in the four or five years she owned it, needless to say she got fed up with having to soak oil off the carport with kitty litter and got rid of it.

The majority of mitsus I see now are at work, I see very few on the road. The ones I check out generally feel like tin cans, the interiors are super flimsy on the mirage models. I can't believe the mirage vehicles are legal for the road, I'd feel safer in a kia or hyundai. The engine and transmission are horrible, smart cars are likely more refined. The outlanders I've driven felt a little more solid inside, but the suspension must be tuned by blind monkies, feels unsure and disconnected on the road. Reminds me of those small cheap nissan suvs, but seems l slower/weaker. The a/c worked well on the two I did these past two weeks, then again the vehicles were two and one year old. The prior mirage had horrible a/c and I believe it was a 16. These are obviously used cars and were traded in for whatever reason, but I can't recall the last mitsubishi I'd be comfortable owning.

To me it appears mitsus became more flimsy in the mid 90s and even though the "evos" used iron blocks for a while, which made it great for racer bois and fanbois, I don't see that propping the entire company up. Toyota did it with the good supra, but they didn't need fanboi support in the first place. There is good reason companies like Toyota, Honda, and yes even Subaru have such a strong following. I'm not sure why you believe Mitsubishi deserves that, but it's definitely not because of using iron blocks.



Please explain why you believe Mitsubishi is reliable and safe enough to be worthy of a larger consumer base, other than your parents' experience with them and your obvious love for the evo...without appearing a total fanboi if possible.
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Old 07-03-2019, 09:17 AM   #56
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The first was a 90 galant

The other was a 94 Diamante
i'll be the first to tell you that 90's Mitsus were crap.


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not a fanboi of any make - if anything, i've owned more Subarus than any other car. i do have common sense, though, and Subarus have become unreliable, expensive for what you get (resale is good, however), and pretty dull lately.

i would not buy a Mitsu for myself, as they don't currently other anything performance oriented, but for my wife/mom/the average family, they make some nice little SUV's. is it going to carve up an autocross track? no, but my wife doesn't really care when she's driving it to a store, etc.
5yr/40k bumper-to-bumper and 10yr/100k powertrain warranty, packed with safety features and tech (Subaru has nothing that compares with the 710w Rockford Fosgate system), a CVT that actually doesn't suck, and prices under $20k for an AWD CUV.
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i'll be the first to tell you that 90's Mitsus were crap.




not a fanboi of any make - if anything, i've owned more Subarus than any other car. i do have common sense, though, and Subarus have become unreliable, expensive for what you get (resale is good, however), and pretty dull lately.

i would not buy a Mitsu for myself, as they don't currently other anything performance oriented, but for my wife/mom/the average family, they make some nice little SUV's. is it going to carve up an autocross track? no, but my wife doesn't really care when she's driving it to a store, etc.
5yr/40k bumper-to-bumper and 10yr/100k powertrain warranty, packed with safety features and tech (Subaru has nothing that compares with the 710w Rockford Fosgate system), a CVT that actually doesn't suck, and prices under $20k for an AWD CUV.

Name something else that gives you EVERYTHING a Subaru does at the price they offer it.

I just tried building an AWC Mitsubishi. Cheapest it did on their site was $25,025. Now, with TTL, you're saying that can be had for under $20K? That is a crazy nice deal. No sarcasm. But, it obviously affects resale.
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Ah ok. Seemed like you thought I wanted to get rid of my WRX because it's not exciting or appealing enough. I'm 100% content with its looks and performance.

WRX bro-boy image is a definite con of ownership for me, but practically I'm most disappointed by quality and reliability. Whew, pretty freeing to say that out loud.

I'm sort of proud of Mitsu for how reliable the EVO turned out to be. If it had folding rear seats I probably would have bought one in 2013/14 and still be driving it now.
Here, the bro-boy image of the fat bearded vaping dude (which still exists) has been taken over by the lanky trimmed beard millenial who wouldn't know how to change a tire.

If it had folding seats and a 6 spd manual I'd own the EVO X now and it would be in the garage, even with the cheap FE seats. I was real close to buying one. If a damn solid 6 spd manual in the aftermarket was available back then I would have bought one. So easy to mod and make solid reliable power. The lack of folding rear seats (plus the crap they relocated to the trunk), the lack of a 6 spd (5spd, really?) manual, and the sound deadening were deal breakers but it was really the lack of a 6 spd. I could fix the sound deadening and live with the rear seats. And I hate sedans! But I think it looks excellent, still love the lines and front end.
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N&R has such a weird dichotomy right now... on one hand, many are switching to EV, and coming around to the idea of them. On the other hand, this thread is full of people dreaming about the dino burning Evo that they wish Mitsubishi produced 10 years ago... Forward ho!
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Name something else that gives you EVERYTHING a Subaru does at the price they offer it.

I just tried building an AWC Mitsubishi. Cheapest it did on their site was $25,025. Now, with TTL, you're saying that can be had for under $20K? That is a crazy nice deal. No sarcasm. But, it obviously affects resale.
you won't pay MSRP. and you won't pay advertised internet price, either.

https://www.southparkmitsubishi.com/...f47f9feff4.htm
MSRP $24,825, Listed price $20,773

i could walk out of there with a brand new 2019 AWD vehicle for $20k (probably less), i guarantee it. the seats will be way more comfortable than a Subaru, too.
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you won't pay MSRP. and you won't pay advertised internet price, either.

https://www.southparkmitsubishi.com/...f47f9feff4.htm
MSRP $24,825, Listed price $20,773

i could walk out of there with a brand new 2019 AWD vehicle for $20k (probably less), i guarantee it. the seats will be way more comfortable than a Subaru, too.

Right. But, is that $20,773 also including TTL? I don't see how they make money dropping soo much that OTD price is sub $20K on a $25K MSRP.

I looked through that and then shopped our local dealer and found one even cheaper. I didn't see it say they offer CP/AA. Does Mitsubishi not have it?

As for the seats, I haven't been around Mitsubishi in a while. A dealer is right up the street. Just rarely hear people comparing them. I need to drop in soon. I have been lucky enough to have never had an issue with my seats. If I were to compile a list of complaints from our customers, the comfort of the seats would probably be last on the list. If that's something they don't like, they are certainly not voicing it to us.
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And you were calling someone else a Subaru fanboi...

Without looking by vin, just a quick search https://www.kbb.com/ownership/recalls/mitsubishi/

I've never owned a mitsu, but my parents purchased two new. The first was a 90 galant they only put about 40k on, and they gave to their parents when they wanted something more comfortable and fun, and I recall the only problems it had were several oil leaks and some kind of transmission issue a couple years later. It was a neat car, I like the button that sort of changed the ride feel, and the interior was comfy. My parents are neat freaks, always kept it clean and serviced.

The other was a 94 Diamante. The car had transmission problems maybe a year after purchased, had to visit the dealer several times to get it taken care of correctly. It also had several oil leaks in the four or five years she owned it, needless to say she got fed up with having to soak oil off the carport with kitty litter and got rid of it.

The majority of mitsus I see now are at work, I see very few on the road. The ones I check out generally feel like tin cans, the interiors are super flimsy on the mirage models. I can't believe the mirage vehicles are legal for the road, I'd feel safer in a kia or hyundai. The engine and transmission are horrible, smart cars are likely more refined. The outlanders I've driven felt a little more solid inside, but the suspension must be tuned by blind monkies, feels unsure and disconnected on the road. Reminds me of those small cheap nissan suvs, but seems l slower/weaker. The a/c worked well on the two I did these past two weeks, then again the vehicles were two and one year old. The prior mirage had horrible a/c and I believe it was a 16. These are obviously used cars and were traded in for whatever reason, but I can't recall the last mitsubishi I'd be comfortable owning.

To me it appears mitsus became more flimsy in the mid 90s and even though the "evos" used iron blocks for a while, which made it great for racer bois and fanbois, I don't see that propping the entire company up. Toyota did it with the good supra, but they didn't need fanboi support in the first place. There is good reason companies like Toyota, Honda, and yes even Subaru have such a strong following. I'm not sure why you believe Mitsubishi deserves that, but it's definitely not because of using iron blocks.



Please explain why you believe Mitsubishi is reliable and safe enough to be worthy of a larger consumer base, other than your parents' experience with them and your obvious love for the evo...without appearing a total fanboi if possible.
I have owned 5 Mitsubishiís. 4 DSMs/Eclipses and the Evo. I put 95k-128k on all of them. I had 2 A/c units go out (all after 70k or more). The Evoís AYC pump had a failure covered by warrenty and a timing belt issue related to a design flaw fixed by Mitsu with a replacement upgraded chain (and fixed on subsequent models...issues with first model year ownership).

After over 1/2 million miles over the course of 25 years, that is the sum total of mechanical failures I have had.

My wifeís Legacy had all 4 wheel bearings go out in under 50k miles but was generally reliable until 100k when we had to trade it after a series of failures many of which were snow/salt driving related (my Evo endured the same without similar issues). The WRX I had was trouble free but I traded it within a year so hard to judge.

I would say Mitsubishis in our hands ha e been at least as reliable if not more so than the Subarus.

I would take either over my wifeís next car (Mercedes) which virtually self destructed after 80k despite meticulous car and is moving south and out of the snow.
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R I have been lucky enough to have never had an issue with my seats. If I were to compile a list of complaints from our customers, the comfort of the seats would probably be last on the list. If that's something they don't like, they are certainly not voicing it to us.
you're delusional - ask anyone with a Forester how comfortable their seats are. road trips were excruciating - legs got achy and went numb. Legacy seats were only slightly better.

if no customers complained about them, maybe its because there's nothing the dealer can do to fix poorly-designed seats. i am not particularly tall/short/obese, either - pretty average height/weight.

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yup, but it didn't affect drive ability, aside from annoying warning in display. i drove on it for a month before having it fixed.

zero issues in 4 years on wife's Outlander Sport.
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I have to admit the Mitsubishi's we've owned in the past have been very reliable. My wife's old 2007 Outlander was trouble free well past the warranty and the only thing we ever fixed out of pocket was for a leaking power steering hose. Even in Canada I didn't have AYC pump failure so I was lucky there for sure but I owned two DSM's that I abused which never broke down. I think Mitsubishi can build decent vehicles but their image is poor and unlike Hyundai decades back they have never tried hard enough to dig themselves out of the hole they started digging for themselves in the late 90's. Hyundai worked extremely hard to get mainstream buyers to consider their products again and it took some time but they had long term vision and stuck to it. Mitsubishi is just a poorly managed company which is a shame because in the 80's and 90's they were amongst the most creative manufacturers out there.
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yup, but it didn't affect drive ability, aside from annoying warning in display. i drove on it for a month before having it fixed.

zero issues in 4 years on wife's Outlander Sport.
Mine took a dump around 70k miles and the AYC stopped working completely. It totally made a difference. I ragged my Evo hard and it was bullet proof aside from the AYC. Loved it. Made me feel like a real race car driver. That all being said I don't miss it all.
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Mitsubishi has zero image for suburbia and a poor dealer network. They hinge success on a single model like they are new to the North American market.
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you're delusional - ask anyone with a Forester how comfortable their seats are. road trips were excruciating - legs got achy and went numb. Legacy seats were only slightly better.

if no customers complained about them, maybe its because there's nothing the dealer can do to fix poorly-designed seats. i am not particularly tall/short/obese, either - pretty average height/weight.

Again with an attack; but, I'm not the one delusional if you don't think Subaru customers don't voice their complaints. I get them every single day. Every. Single. Day. And the comfortability of the seats is not one that gets voiced often. If anything, they are praising how much they like it over the cars they were comparing. That is in NO WAY saying they are, or are not comfortable to everyone. Everyone has what I refer to is a "bum feel". And they are very different.

Should I ask a Forester owner what they think? As long as I've worked at the dealership, you think I haven't? Or I could ask my mother, sister, Aunt, the handful of folks at the dealership, the handful of my brothers on the fire dept. Especially the one that just got one a week ago and called me the NEXT DAY after their 6 hour drive to the coast praising how comfortable it was. Granted it IS a '19 that people seem to like the seats better. But the rest are the previous gen.


And AGAIN, I have never said they were not uncomfortable. I can't say what is comfortable to each person. I just said that is not a complaint from our customers.
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Bah, I honestly think the EVO was a hail marry pass to stay relevant in an environment where car companies where dropping left and right. GM was being restructured by our crappy government. Ford Was looking shaky, but they managed to sell off Jaguar Volvo and whatever baggage they shouldn't have bought in the first place. Dodge looked like a cheap hooker trying to get fixed up with a rich guy. Saab was falling apart.

I honestly thought Mitsubishi was going to die on the vine. They needed a reason to stay popular and pull people into dealerships. The EVO kept them alive by doing just that. I feel they waited far to long to bring in something fun. They should of brought the EVO over and killed the last gen eclipse with fire.
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Again with an attack; but, I'm not the one delusional if you don't think Subaru customers don't voice their complaints. I get them every single day. Every. Single. Day. And the comfortability of the seats is not one that gets voiced often. If anything, they are praising how much they like it over the cars they were comparing. That is in NO WAY saying they are, or are not comfortable to everyone. Everyone has what I refer to is a "bum feel". And they are very different.

Should I ask a Forester owner what they think? As long as I've worked at the dealership, you think I haven't? Or I could ask my mother, sister, Aunt, the handful of folks at the dealership, the handful of my brothers on the fire dept. Especially the one that just got one a week ago and called me the NEXT DAY after their 6 hour drive to the coast praising how comfortable it was. Granted it IS a '19 that people seem to like the seats better. But the rest are the previous gen.


And AGAIN, I have never said they were not uncomfortable. I can't say what is comfortable to each person. I just said that is not a complaint from our customers.
This isnít even worth discussion. Decade old broad knowledge Subaru seats are utter crap. Forester is the worst.
My Ď04 WRX &í05 STI & Ď05 LGT seats sucked and just about every other Subaru Iíve owned or driven. Common knowledge. Neighbors, family, hundreds of forum members etc.
Pointless to defend on this one. Iíve had discussions with my dealer and theyíve heard tons of complaints about seat comfort - even had customers trade in their vehicles because of it. Iíve even personally heard customers bring it up while I was there.
Iíve been tempted to ditch the Forester because we do routine 4-5hr road trips and itís just brutal in that car. My XTerra was like cloud 9 in comparison, and thatís saying something.
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I really hope they bring back a new EVO with the surreal handling and feedback.

I donít know anything about newer Subaru Forester seats, but my 2004 XT premium seats are still amazing to this day and comfy on 11+ hour road trips; maybe they were designed for average sized folks who have hard @sses from marathon training. They still would beat out my GTI autobahn, Tesla, bugeye WRX...
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This isn’t even worth discussion. Decade old broad knowledge Subaru seats are utter crap. Forester is the worst.
My ‘04 WRX &’05 STI & ‘05 LGT seats sucked and just about every other Subaru I’ve owned or driven. Common knowledge. Neighbors, family, hundreds of forum members etc.
Pointless to defend on this one. I’ve had discussions with my dealer and they’ve heard tons of complaints about seat comfort - even had customers trade in their vehicles because of it. I’ve even personally heard customers bring it up while I was there.
I’ve been tempted to ditch the Forester because we do routine 4-5hr road trips and it’s just brutal in that car. My XTerra was like cloud 9 in comparison, and that’s saying something.
don't bother - he sits in a glass bubble vaping and watching Subaru commercials all day.

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don't bother - he sits in a glass bubble vaping and watching Subaru commercials all day.

LOL! No joke. Blind follower. Beyond cultish.
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I really hope they bring back a new EVO with the surreal handling and feedback.

I donít know anything about newer Subaru Forester seats, but my 2004 XT premium seats are still amazing to this day and comfy on 11+ hour road trips; maybe they were designed for average sized folks who have hard @sses from marathon training. They still would beat out my GTI autobahn, Tesla, bugeye WRX...
This is Ď14-Ď18 Forester leather seats. Iím sure Seeeya will be in shortly to defend his Forester seats as the best seats known to man and how itís an adjustment problem, lol. While the entire Forester forum disagrees.
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Old 07-07-2019, 11:03 AM   #75
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This isnít even worth discussion. Decade old broad knowledge Subaru seats are utter crap. Forester is the worst.
My Ď04 WRX &í05 STI & Ď05 LGT seats sucked and just about every other Subaru Iíve owned or driven. Common knowledge. Neighbors, family, hundreds of forum members etc.
Pointless to defend on this one. Iíve had discussions with my dealer and theyíve heard tons of complaints about seat comfort - even had customers trade in their vehicles because of it. Iíve even personally heard customers bring it up while I was there.
Iíve been tempted to ditch the Forester because we do routine 4-5hr road trips and itís just brutal in that car. My XTerra was like cloud 9 in comparison, and thatís saying something.
Last gen Forester seats sucked, but not sure I'd say Subaru seats suck. The new gen seats seem good, and our 2012 Outback seats are very comfortable. Our 2002 WRX seats seemed fine, for an econobox.
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