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Old 09-13-2019, 08:41 PM   #51
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You need to add our pickup to the mix for improve oil flow to the pump. You'll see improved pressure as well as improved cam sync.

On another note, did you see check the condition of the OEM pickup? We had two shop cars have issues. One a pickup screen failure, allowing debris into the pump. The second was silicone EVERYWHERE on the pickup screen. Usually there are some pieces, but this was a lot; far more than I've ever seen on a Subaru engine before.

Something else I noticed you're looking to do a 'big' filter. I would recommend sticking with the stock one. You're not going to find an aftermarket one that flows as well AND has the same filtration capabilities. The OEM filters have super dense filter media which gives them the bet of both. High flow oil filters are usually TERRIBLE at filtering, which is why they flow so well. For example, a K&N 'high flow oil filter' filters down to 90 microns, whereas the factory filter goes down to 5 microns. Essentially the K&N should ONLY be used for real racing where the oil/filter is changed ever few passes, stages, or so many hours of use. NOT for an application that requires 'street' use longevity.

The most important thing with these engines as far as the lubrication system is assuring the supply is good, and oil temps are king. If those two are in check (and the engine is built right, quality tune, fuel, etc...), you should NEVER have a failure due to insufficient oiling.

Looking forward to seeing how your project progresses!


Thanks for your insight. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge and experience with me.
Do you have a link for the pickup you offer? Iím sure the OEM one was good. Otherwise the racing shop would have advised. Lord knows they would have tried to sell it to me .
Yea I was aware that the stock oil filter was solid. Do you think if I did my oil changes more frequently I would be ok?
I was thinking of adding an oil cooler to the car. To keep oil temps down. How much of a help are they?
Thanks in advance
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Old 09-13-2019, 08:43 PM   #52
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I have nothing of value to contribute to this thread, but just wanted to say thanks for sharing the details. Interesting to see the progress.


Thanks for taking the time out of your day to read my thread. I appreciate the support.
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Old 09-14-2019, 08:00 AM   #53
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Thanks for your insight. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge and experience with me.
Do you have a link for the pickup you offer? Iím sure the OEM one was good. Otherwise the racing shop would have advised. Lord knows they would have tried to sell it to me .
Yea I was aware that the stock oil filter was solid. Do you think if I did my oil changes more frequently I would be ok?
I was thinking of adding an oil cooler to the car. To keep oil temps down. How much of a help are they?
Thanks in advance
No problem and absolutely. I'm in PA at the STPR Rally, but I will definitely post pics and more details once I get back in front of a computer.

The FA20 pickup is still fairly new and we've not advertised it much, so many shops don't even know it exists. The OEM pickups aren't known to fail like the EJ versions, but they still have their share of issues unfortunately. Will get back to you shortly
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Old 09-14-2019, 09:23 PM   #54
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No problem and absolutely. I'm in PA at the STPR Rally, but I will definitely post pics and more details once I get back in front of a computer.



The FA20 pickup is still fairly new and we've not advertised it much, so many shops don't even know it exists. The OEM pickups aren't known to fail like the EJ versions, but they still have their share of issues unfortunately. Will get back to you shortly


Sounds great. Looking forward to it!
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Old 09-15-2019, 09:20 AM   #55
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Thankfully, I found our original post outlining the reasoning, description, and advantages for our upgraded pickup. If anyone has any further questions, we're here to answer them.

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Like many of our other products, this is a solution to a problem. I came across this years ago, during our turbo kit testing on our shop 2015 WRX. The engine had blown, but the violence was significantly more than just the bent rod we had expected. As you can see, debris went into the engine and made its way into the oil pump. Iím sure you can imagine the consequences of an instant oil pressure loss. A much more expensive repair, as many more components were thrown right in the trash! :/

Why had the oil pump filled with debris? The OEM pickup screen had failed. The OEM part had not prevented metal bits and chunks from entering the engine. At the time of failure, I had assumed this was just the kind of luck I had, but after hearing that other shops had similar experiences, we dug deeper.

The OEM pickup screen is crimped in a retainer and that assembly is spot welded into the pickup Ďcaní. There are a couple of flaws with this process. One is that the screen is creased where the retaining ring is crimped over it. The other is the spot weld process embrittles the screen. We pushed on the screen of several new OEM pickups we purchased for testing, and several popped wire strands, without a lot of effort.

Being known for making the best Subaru Performance Oiling Products money can buy, addressing this was right up our alley. Of course, our own spin of improvements, besides the obvious had to be made to assure set it and forget reliability that comes with our products. A means for improving performance was taken advantage of during the design process as well.

The obvious big change is the tube has no bend. No bend means no restriction, and even better coming from the OEM tube because it uses a more restrictive pinch bend. The ID of the tube has been increased, and so has the thickness. The angle of the tube points it directly at the inlet into the block. Like our EJ engine Ultimate Oil Pickup this one too uses a screen to match the OEM spec opening size of the mesh. Although, we use a higher strength screen material. The screen area has been increased over 31% which reduces the restriction and stress on the screen. Our screen is lightly pressed and welded into place assuring the wire does not gets stresses or heat damaged. TIG welding throughout assures proper weld penetration and quality. The material is 4130 Alloy Steel to further provide an increase in strength over the brazed stamped steel OEM version. The units have been pressure tested to 150psi over the face of the screen without issue.

If anyone has questions or would like to place an order, please feel free to contact us.

















And just another tidbit, since releasing this product we also have a BRZ/FRS version.

Let me know if you have any questions
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Old 09-18-2019, 08:45 AM   #56
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Thankfully, I found our original post outlining the reasoning, description, and advantages for our upgraded pickup. If anyone has any further questions, we're here to answer them.







And just another tidbit, since releasing this product we also have a BRZ/FRS version.



Let me know if you have any questions


Whatís the availability on this? How much is the cost? What is the installation like? Thanks.
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Old 09-18-2019, 12:21 PM   #57
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I was thinking of getting tuned at pro com since I'm fairly close to TR.

I've called in for numerous questions without having to set any appointments, and they were always able to answer them. Very helpful crew. Although there prices are a little steep, they seem to do good work. (Friends GTR got tuned there, as well as my friends WRX 11 had work done.)

Good luck! sucks it happened so early but like others said, a learning experience nonetheless.
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Old 09-18-2019, 12:55 PM   #58
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Whatís the availability on this? How much is the cost? What is the installation like? Thanks.
It's on their site bro. here... I'll link it for you:

killerbmotorsport.net/ulitmate-fa20-wrx-oil-pickup.html
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Old 09-18-2019, 01:11 PM   #59
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I was thinking of getting tuned at pro com since I'm fairly close to TR.



I've called in for numerous questions without having to set any appointments, and they were always able to answer them. Very helpful crew. Although there prices are a little steep, they seem to do good work. (Friends GTR got tuned there, as well as my friends WRX 11 had work done.)



Good luck! sucks it happened so early but like others said, a learning experience nonetheless.


Joe and Lou whom own and run the shop are awesome. Very knowledgeable about imports and tuning. Shop is spotless. They are a bit expensive but seem worth it.
They had a really nice GTR in the dyno my last visit. On the Mustang AWD dyno.
Thanks
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Clean AF shop.





Some pics of the shop and a couple cars.
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Old 09-18-2019, 02:30 PM   #61
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It's on their site bro. here... I'll link it for you:

killerbmotorsport.net/ulitmate-fa20-wrx-oil-pickup.html
Beat me to it

Install is removing the turbo/exhaust manifold as an assembly.
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Beat me to it



Install is removing the turbo/exhaust manifold as an assembly.


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Subie is all done. Unfortunately my next day off Sunday they are closed. So I wonít be picking up till next Wednesday. Compression test across the board was 189 on all cylinders. Have a 1,000 mile break in period of normal driving. No flooring it, etc. Then I go back for a dyno tune. Stay tuned.
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Old 09-25-2019, 04:43 PM   #65
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Picked up my WRX finally. Feels so good to be back in my car. Unfortunately I am limited on boost and rpmís for the next 1,000 miles.
The racing shop advised warming up engine 3 to 5 minutes on initial startup. And at least 15 minutes before getting on it. They also stated the forged pistons contract when cold. And expand with heat, unlike stock pistons which retain size. Some initial ticking would be present due to this on cold start up. He stated it goes away as pistons reach temperature.
Trimming the front bumper to support the Perrin FMIC was a PIA the shop stated. Looks good though!
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Must be exciting to get back into your ride!

Curious on limiting the boost and rpmís for the first 1000 miles. Donít racing shops typically advise a Ďhardí break-in, unlike Subaru and most car manufacturers?
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Must be exciting to get back into your ride!

Curious on limiting the boost and rpmís for the first 1000 miles. Donít racing shops typically advise a Ďhardí break-in, unlike Subaru and most car manufacturers?
Most shops that I know of, but then theres IAG saying to do a soft 1k mile breakin. I guess there has to be a reason
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Great build thread. Very helpful information for those of us just getting into FA motors. Thanks!
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I assume the first 1000 miles is on break in oil or conventional oil as well?
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Must be exciting to get back into your ride!



Curious on limiting the boost and rpmís for the first 1000 miles. Donít racing shops typically advise a Ďhardí break-in, unlike Subaru and most car manufacturers?


Super stoked.
I have heard of a hard break in. However the shop told me no more then 5 pounds of boost. So I will listen. Especially after everything I have been through
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Great build thread. Very helpful information for those of us just getting into FA motors. Thanks!

Hopefully peeps will learn from my mistakes. If not, hopefully they have some money put away for a build because it ainít cheap.
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Super stoked.
I have heard of a hard break in. However the shop told me no more then 5 pounds of boost. So I will listen. Especially after everything I have been through
Do you get a warranty on the block?
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I assume the first 1000 miles is on break in oil or conventional oil as well?


Break in oil. Once I go back in 1,000 miles before the dyno tune they will be doing an oil change. Switching over to Motul V 300 5w 40.
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Do you get a warranty on the block?


ProCom stands behind the block. They provided a full warranty on the engine.
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Once I go back for my oil change and dyno tune I will be upgrading the low pressure fuel pump and the high pressure fuel pump.
Stay tuned
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