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11-16-2007, 08:22 PM | #1 |
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rally x tires?
anyone know of a good rally x/ all terrain tire that will still hold up for a daily driver?...oh by the way it would be for stock 05 wrx rims.
replies are greatly appreciated.
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11-16-2007, 08:34 PM | #2 |
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Heres a generic tire that looks like it would do well in mud and off road somewhat, while holding up with it's 600 tread wear rating.http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....num=055SR6SP60
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11-16-2007, 10:16 PM | #3 |
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If you want a tire that can handle some off road but don't really want to go to a dedicated rally tire, the ContiExtreme Contact is a good choice.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....ExtremeContact An old thread: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1143715 Although you'll have to see what sizes are available. |
11-16-2007, 10:48 PM | #4 | |
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You can get away with an aggressive all-season with full thread (the key is the deep thread to help sipe the dirt and possibly mud)... I haven't seen any SUV type tires made anywhere close to the stock subaru size..but if you want to run outback suspension, you can get the extra 1-2" of lift to get one of them to clear... |
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11-17-2007, 02:14 AM | #5 |
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The last rally tire you will ever need: NOKIAN RSI
They will go through anything and they do it well. Daily driving on dry pavement is kinda rough on them but that is really dependent on how hard you push them. As for grip on dry pavement it is as good if not slightly better than the stockers that came on my wrx (not that they are meant for dry pavement). They have a little noise above 45mph as well but nothing out of the ordinary. |
11-17-2007, 06:35 AM | #6 |
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I highly recommend getting a separate set of tires and rims for rallyX. In all the years I've been rallyXing the only thing I've wrecked on the course is tires. If you don't have a separate set of tires how do you get home if you do wreck a tire or two? And if you're worried about wrecking tires you're going to be pus*y-footing it around the track trying to protect them, which is no fun at all.
You can use almost any old set of winter tires (on cheap steelie rims). Put inner tubes in them so they hold air when you break the bead on a rutted hairpin. |
11-17-2007, 03:56 PM | #7 |
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ya i wont hold back any it is just i dont want some soft compound so when i hit the street the tread is gone...but ya i want to do the seprate set thing but dont have the money right now but really need tires
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11-17-2007, 04:29 PM | #8 |
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Then I'd suggest getting some winter tires now (assuming you're not located in the deep south), use them for this winter and then get a new set of summer or all-seasons next spring. Then your winter tires can double as rallyx tires.
Not all winter tires are soft. The ones that use a lot of sipes or micro-bubbles for ice grip are soft, but the one's that use micro-particles are a lot harder. I use Toyo Garit HT's (with walnut shell micro-particles) and they are been a great tire for me. I've even used them for winter RallyX's and they really helped when the track got polished. |
11-17-2007, 06:11 PM | #9 |
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Yup, I use Dunlop Wintersports M2 ( think thats what they call them), very good tires to run on slightly packed surfaces...I need to bump them down to around 30-33ish when the surface is loose though.
The ones to look out for are some of the Blizzaks, like Howl said, the way Bridgestone gets them to grip on ice so well is the microbubbles (the call them "multicell"), but at the cost of really fast wear. |
11-17-2007, 07:08 PM | #10 | |
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RSi is dedicated snow tire and that is what it does the best, packed and unpacked snow. They are not better on dry pavement than the stockers, are very soft and handle quite poor on the dry and wet. I would not destroy perfect winter tire at gravel RallyX. Save them for the winter rallyX |
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11-20-2007, 12:42 AM | #11 | |
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Also after going from re92's to the RSI's for winter I have noticed about the same performance on dry roads and the RSI's are more predictable when they break loose. As for wet roads they are far better than the re92's especially in the hydroplaning resistance department. I can personally attest that re92's and rain at even 50mph is not a good idea unless you like hydroplaning. As for life on the RSI's that is directly related to how you drive on the roads and RallyX track, If you are prone to doing 4 wheel drifts around each turn (which will lower your lap times) then yeah you will destroy them pretty quick. The RSI's are not like the blizzaks either they use only one compound throughout the entire tread patch rather than two different compounds in layers on top of one another. On a personal note_ do NOT run on any RallyX track behind someone running RSI's they fling rocks like Cuban missiles I don't want anyone getting the wrong Idea here like the RSI's should be used as an all-season literally as an all year tire, they should not be. But for RallyX and winter (Nov.- Feb.) I have no issue with them. |
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11-20-2007, 11:16 AM | #12 | |
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What you're describing is true of almost any winter tire. The important thing when using a winter tire to rallyX is: 1. that it have relatively large spaces between the lugs; and 2. that it be cheap. If you've got an old set of RSi's kicking around your garage then by all means use then for RallyX. They are just as good as anything else. I used an old set of Hakka2's for a season and a half. But if your looking to get a new set of winter tires to use strictly for rallyx get the cheapest ones you can. |
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11-20-2007, 12:43 PM | #13 |
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big fan of winterforce and wintermaster el cheapo snow tires for rally cross
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There is no question that RSI will wear out quicker if driven on dry/wet roads than RE092 because of the winter thread design and compound difference. Any winter tire will go quicker than non winter tire driven in same conditions. Quote:
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11-19-2010, 04:26 PM | #15 |
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anyone have a 17" rally tire or know of a 16" wheel that fits over legacy gt brakes?
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11-19-2010, 04:58 PM | #16 |
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Holy old thread batman!
Well, I'd keep the wheel as small as you can for whatever brake package you run. For the tire, there are a number of winter treads that work great for rally-x. You won't find a real rally tire outside of a 15" rim for the most part, so all you have is winter tires. The Firestone Winterforce is widely used but is prone to debeading pretty easily. I like the LM25 as a firmer tire for compact dirt/gravel courses as it's a performance winter and gives you a bit more when the surface acts more like asphalt. For loose dirt, mud, snow, and ice you want a more off-road design like the Winterforce. My bro recently got the Dunlop CJ6 tire, and that did really well. I've also used my Conti Extreme Winter Contact with great results during the winter time when there's snow/ice/mud/permafrost. You just need to find a nice, blocky tread pattern that functions appropriately for the surface you run on in your local area. Is it packed and grippy? Is it loose and soft? Is it often muddy? Gauge what needs you have and pick a tire that will work well and let you be quick. Given I've retired my LM25 for winter use for my ExtremeWinterContact, I personally now have two types to choose from depending on where we're running. |
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