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Old 07-21-2014, 06:03 AM   #2426
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Just gonna leave this here; thought it would be of interest...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A47LYAcakg
it's a good channel for those without a clue but the guys in it don't have a LOT of a clue either :/ i mean all that stuff in THAT car? put it in a GD body or something and it'll at least have resale. and R160 rear end for a drag car? sigh.

11 seconds is not "mad fast". fast & fun sure, but not "mad" fast. mad fast is a flat 10/high 9.
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Old 07-21-2014, 08:25 PM   #2427
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it's a good channel for those without a clue but the guys in it don't have a LOT of a clue either :/ i mean all that stuff in THAT car? put it in a GD body or something and it'll at least have resale. and R160 rear end for a drag car? sigh.

11 seconds is not "mad fast". fast & fun sure, but not "mad" fast. mad fast is a flat 10/high 9.
Anyone who does a swap like that for resale value missed the point completely. And an 11-second quarter mile on stock internals is nothing to scoff at. And personally, I'd rather swap an H6/6MT into a Legacy any day (more specifically, I'd rather swap a 6MT into my '04 LLOB )

Also, at what point did they say they were using an R160?? They never specified a rear diff... that being said, an R160 is a valid alternative for those who don't want to go with hybrid rear axles or a full hub/brake caliper swap.

Edit: update, it's getting an R180. Surprise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjeuL_Tk0E8

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Old 07-21-2014, 08:31 PM   #2428
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The R160 will hold for a little while but the stock axles won't hold at all!!! All that torque!!! I haven't watched the vid yet but I will once I'm done playing with my son.
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Old 07-21-2014, 09:13 PM   #2429
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Anyone who does a swap like that for resale value missed the point completely. And an 11-second quarter mile on stock internals is nothing to scoff at. And personally, I'd rather swap an H6/6MT into a Legacy any day (more specifically, I'd rather swap a 6MT into my '04 LLOB )

Also, at what point did they say they were using an R160?? They never specified a rear diff... that being said, an R160 is a valid alternative for those who don't want to go with hybrid rear axles or a full hub/brake caliper swap.
they're doing it to demonstrate that you can get fast for cheap (ish). last i checked it's not a car that's going to be kept forever, they've got at least two others. it's not a shop demo car or anything so it's going to be sold on at some point.

they've got a long ratio box, so it's a 3.54 rear end. either they find a 3.54 r180 which is rare as hens teeth, and do the entire conversion with brembo's etc etc, or they go with a straight r160 swap. considering this is supposed to be a "go as fast as you can for as cheap as you can" build, the whole R180 rear conversion seems to be totally counter to the build philosophy.

i'm still super interested however.
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Old 07-21-2014, 10:42 PM   #2430
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The trans they were talking about sounds to be 3.9 f/r and the long gear set. Not a longer diff set. Though that's my plan after I get mine to move.

Another thing to note is that they are running e85... Makes a large difference and this is proving a point on what can be pushed out in short time with minimal work. And though they talk reliablely holding up they obviously have no real plans on it doing 11's regularly... It wouldn't hold up.
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Old 07-21-2014, 10:55 PM   #2431
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The trans they were talking about sounds to be 3.9 f/r and the long gear set. Not a longer diff set. Though that's my plan after I get mine to move.

Another thing to note is that they are running e85... Makes a large difference and this is proving a point on what can be pushed out in short time with minimal work. And though they talk reliablely holding up they obviously have no real plans on it doing 11's regularly... It wouldn't hold up.
like i said, they don't really know what they are doing. still good experiment though.
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Old 07-22-2014, 02:55 PM   #2432
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So there is a good question they brought up that I've been avoiding sorting out yet... Oil pick up and return locations... I'm not sure about where they stuck the return. Easy and if it screws up a valve cover is WAY cheaper than other options...
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Old 07-22-2014, 07:34 PM   #2433
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On the EZ30R, here is where we got turbo oil

return from turbo was nipple welded to oil pan.
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Old 07-22-2014, 07:51 PM   #2434
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Any issues from the cam positioning sensor?
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Old 07-22-2014, 09:00 PM   #2435
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No issues with the cam position sensor.
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Old 07-22-2014, 09:26 PM   #2436
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new episode out lads. R180 diff, but it had 3.45 written on it XD

also, see how much they were getting on the guys nerves by the end?


i still need to sort out my oil in from my 30D. i was thinking a (small) "out" from an oil filter sandwich plate (i think turbo's are typically -4AN aren't they?) and then just return into the valve cover like the MCM guys?

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Old 07-22-2014, 10:31 PM   #2437
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The oil restrictor, if you are using a ball bearing Garrett turbo, is so small that I think a -3 line would be more than enough. The oil flow is so low that cam cover return will probably be fine.
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Old 07-22-2014, 10:34 PM   #2438
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Any issues from the cam positioning sensor?
The thing with the wiring connector close to where I am getting oil is the VVL solenoid.
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Old 07-22-2014, 11:09 PM   #2439
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I just used a sandwich plate for feed and welded a bung on the oil pan for return. So far so good have about 500 miles on it.


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Old 07-23-2014, 10:27 PM   #2440
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ep 3 is out. tech finally snapped it with him in a perfect passive aggressive maneuver. amazed it took him that long. that guy is seriously annoying.

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Old 07-24-2014, 09:45 AM   #2441
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He's not that bad... The tall one is annoying as ****!
Episode 4 actually released too... Welding is actually started finally! I don't like running the header under the PS rack like they did though...
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Old 07-24-2014, 10:40 AM   #2442
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could've just bought these:

http://www.raptorsc.com.au/subaru6.html
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They have access to everything... Why wouldn't they make their own...
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Old 07-24-2014, 12:22 PM   #2444
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They have access to everything... Why wouldn't they make their own...
time/money?

the raptor ones are a much better collector too.
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They are doing a massively budget centered build. Plus gains between the designs would be negligible.
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Old 07-24-2014, 04:01 PM   #2446
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They are doing a massively budget centered build. Plus gains between the designs would be negligible.
the collector is hopeless. it's on a full 90 degrees to the final flow direction with no transition.

the tech's also spent all day on it so 8x110=$880 + materials.
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Old 07-25-2014, 01:08 AM   #2447
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you guys have any idea how much boost the stock internals can hold on the ez30d. I was told by cardoc's tuner that it could hold 12psi. im turning up the boost on monday so i want to know if im gonna blow up or not. ha
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you guys have any idea how much boost the stock internals can hold on the ez30d. I was told by cardoc's tuner that it could hold 12psi. im turning up the boost on monday so i want to know if im gonna blow up or not. ha
psi isn't psi phil. about 350whp is the reliable limit without cracking it open (you'll snap a rod).

ep 5 is out. gtx3576 turbo. intredasting. 40 minute ep too.

5-30 castrol edge... oh dear.

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Old 07-25-2014, 05:41 AM   #2449
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Yeah PSI is just a reference of what's going on. 20 PSI on, let's pick two mostly similar turbos application and fitment wise, a VF48 and a VF52 are NOT the same. All in all those two turbos fit pretty close, spool pretty close, and even go on mostly the same engine, but it's all about the volume of air they produce per unit of time. You can push a TD04 to make, what's max, 19PSI, but that's just how compressed the small volume of air that's being push through it is.

Anywho. The Perrin car snapped a rod in their 3.0R at 14 PSI on their GT28R turbo AND they had done the SuperTech pistons to drop the compression to 8.5:1. The stock compression of the 30D or 30R is gonna be too high to go crazy on. I wouldn't trust those rods to hold at 350whp. You should be a lot safer on the 30D from the 30R since the R is like 11-11.5:1ish and the D is 9.7-10:1ish
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Oh yeah and HP doesn't break stuff. TORQUE BREAKS ALL THE THINGS!!!!
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