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Old 02-18-2020, 02:01 PM   #1
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Iím looking to trade my 2015 WRX in and get a 2020 STI. What parts do I need to take off my car before trading it in? Iíve had multiple motor issues and need to unload my car. It has a turbo back exhaust, intake, charge pipe, Inter cooler, tgv deletes, and egr deletes. I also had some motor work done so it isnít as easy as taking everything off and flashing to the stock map right? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 02-18-2020, 02:04 PM   #2
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oh boy

so what motor work that prohibits the stock tune if you remove all that other crap?

And what do you need to take off it? Everything you can.

What issues did you have? give us something here
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Old 02-18-2020, 02:06 PM   #3
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At a minimum, if your turbo back is catless, you need to get a catted pipe. You can't legally sell a car with it removed in New York, or by federal law.
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Old 02-18-2020, 02:10 PM   #4
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I have a high flow catted dp. I brought the car to get tuned after the TGV and EGR deletes and they blew the motor. Ran into additional issues down the road and cylinder walls needed to get honed. I now have forged pistons and stronger rods.
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Old 02-18-2020, 03:07 PM   #5
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^what??

So it blew during a tuning session, which means you got a rebuild at that point.
Then down the road more problems, so you got a second rebuild with new pistons and rods and a cylinder honing?

And now you are looking to get rid of it? So nobody will see the pistons or rods I'm pretty sure. Why can't you make it look stock at this point?
A tune isn't required for pistons or rods if they are only upgraded materials.
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Old 02-18-2020, 05:20 PM   #6
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So your going to screw the next guy trading in your ragged ass car. Class act!!
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Old 02-18-2020, 05:54 PM   #7
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The shop did a great job this time around. I just canít afford to have a car like this. I have put in over 15k in just engine work with both rebuilds. Iím going to get a STI and keep it stock this time.
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Old 02-18-2020, 06:24 PM   #8
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The shop did a great job this time around. I just canít afford to have a car like this. I have put in over 15k in just engine work with both rebuilds. Iím going to get a STI and keep it stock this time.
no you wont, a bone stock sti is pretty slow so i'm sure you will get bolt ons and e-85 at least.
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Old 02-19-2020, 07:42 AM   #9
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Iím looking to trade my 2015 WRX in and get a 2020 STI. What parts do I need to take off my car before trading it in?
All or none, this is up to you. Modified vehicles suggest abuse and will diminish trade in value. So getting it as close to stock as possible would be ideal. This also leaves you with aftermarket parts to swap over to the next car or to sell in classifieds.

You can still trade the car in as-is. But is sounds like you're trying to cut your losses, so you might as well put in an evening of wrench time to help reduce those losses.

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You can't legally sell a car with it removed in New York, or by federal law.
Actually, you can so long as the seller discloses this information and the buyer signs a form stating they are aware of this. Racecars get sold like this all the time and I have purchased catless cars from private sellers and even dealers.

Considering that the OP is looking to trade it in, I would be even less worried about it. The dealer will take the catless exhaust into account and if the OP lives in an area that runs emissions, then it'll be the dealers responsibility to refit a cat before resale or just send it to auction. Being modified and over 5 years old, it would probably just go to auction anyway.

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The shop did a great job this time around. I just canít afford to have a car like this. I have put in over 15k in just engine work with both rebuilds. Iím going to get a STI and keep it stock this time.
Sounds like you have made up your mind. I come from the world of tuning and pushing limits of engines. Blown a few. Now, I'm just content with stock power and mild tuning. There are always faster cars, so you might as well just save up to buy what you really want and enjoy it as is. Enjoy having a better resale value. Enjoy having a warranty.

Though your logic doesn't make sense. Not sure when you bought your car, but a 2015 should be paid off by now. You have better internals. You know the history of the car. Get a more tame tune and get rid of a few parts and you'll still have a WRX that has stock-STI performance capabilities and better reliability. Unless there is significantly more wrong with this car than you are disclosing.

I understand not being able to afford the upkeep and maintenance of a 10+ year old car, but we're talking about a 2015. Buying a 2020 STI means significantly higher insurance premiums, a car payment, and if money is a concern, make sure you get gap insurance as well.

Sounds more like you just want a new car, which I totally get. There always comes a time when a fresh start is needed.

'21 models should start hitting the lots in September, so if you can wait a few more months, you could get a better deal on a '20 while still having the same trade in value on your '15. This would also give you time to remove and sell some aftermarket parts.
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Old 02-19-2020, 08:36 AM   #10
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The shop did a great job this time around. I just canít afford to have a car like this. I have put in over 15k in just engine work with both rebuilds. Iím going to get a STI and keep it stock this time.


A sti will have you happy for the first oil change or so and then youíll want to throw parts and money at it, especially since parts for the ej motor are almost everywhere. If youre dead set, trade the car as is, since only suspension parts will sorta transfer over, take the loss on money spent on parts and drive the sti...good luck either way
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Old 02-19-2020, 08:45 AM   #11
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Actually, you can so long as the seller discloses this information and the buyer signs a form stating they are aware of this. Racecars get sold like this all the time and I have purchased catless cars from private sellers and even dealers.
Nope. See answer #2 in the EPA q&a for shops. They specifically address offroad-only cars.

https://www.epa.gov/sites/production...hsysrepair.pdf

The OP has a cat.
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:24 AM   #12
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Nope. See answer #2 in the EPA q&a for shops. They specifically address offroad-only cars.

https://www.epa.gov/sites/production...hsysrepair.pdf
Correct that dealerships and shops cannot legally remove the cat prior to selling the vehicle or even allowing it to leave their property.

However, dealerships are legally allowed to sell a catless car in the event that they receive the car with the cat already removed and they fully disclose it to the buyer with signed paperwork.

See Q/A 8 on your document.

If the car is catless, so long as the dealer doesn't perform repairs on the part of the exhaust that would have had the cat, then they don't have to do anything about it, as they aren't the ones having tampered with it.

It can actually get more involved for a dealer if they were to swap out any part of the exhaust, along with having to get their repair work inspected by the state. This is why many dealers will just sell modified cars as is or send them straight to auction. It avoids them being potentially liable for even touching a modified car that they hold the title to.

While some licensed shops won't allow a catless vehicle to leave their property without the proper repair or a fix-it notice, not all dealers are licensed to perform emissions or perform state inspections. Same reason used car dealers can sell cars with check engine lights on. They can turn a blind eye and not be responsible.

If sold in a county that has emissions requirements, so long as the vehicle still has a passing-test note that is less than 12 months old, it can be sold. I have bought vehicles from reputable dealers like this. Buying a catless car from a dealer is actually a great bargaining tool for the buyer.

This happens all the time in my area, since we don't have emissions or inspections. A dealer will not turn away a catless trade in, they'll just value it lower if they notice that it's missing. But with most dealers only test driving trade-ins, it's likely to go unnoticed so long as there are no codes.
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Old 02-19-2020, 11:10 AM   #13
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I'll concede that many dealers will simply open the door, turn the key and write down the mileage when taking a car in trade. The OP is in NY, who, like my state, Mass have adopted the California requirements. I have no idea if a high flow cat meets the requirements. There would be stamps on the cat saying they do on 2 sides. Chances are pretty good that a dealer isn't going to check it that closely unless the OP bargains hard on the price, then it may go in the shop and get scrutinized more to justify paying more. Here's NY summarized, mostly targeting replacement:

https://www.deccats.com/new-york-aft...ter-standards/

I don't know what's required from a dealer who takes in a catless car (again, not the OP's case). In my state (Mass), the buyer who gets an inspection rejection sticker can bring it back to the seller who must fix it or refund their money and unwind the deal. What happens in East Awfulgosh, where they dump plutonium in the river....no idea.
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Old 02-19-2020, 12:10 PM   #14
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i agree with the above they will just turn it over to auction or try to sell it w/o cat and hope buyer doesn't pay attention...buddy got his evo w/o cat and he found out when he was upgrading turbo
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Old 02-19-2020, 01:41 PM   #15
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sounds like a complicated situation my man
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Old 02-19-2020, 01:56 PM   #16
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You can still trade the car in as-is. But is sounds like you're trying to cut your losses, so you might as well put in an evening of wrench time to help reduce those losses.
Me thinks OP doesn't turn wrenches...
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Old 02-19-2020, 08:28 PM   #17
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Yeah, if you can't do the work yourself just sell it as is. The dealer will simply toss it to auction and they will sell off in another state maybe.

I think modding cars is not for the OP and best he keeps his next car completely stock.
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Old 02-19-2020, 08:35 PM   #18
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if I may ask the OP... what exactly were you trying to accomplish by trying to wade into the "modified" waters on a vehicle Im gona assume wasnt paid for?? Is this like where used car sellers cite the highest possible peak horsepowers they saw on the dynos and now the vehicle makes that at ALL rpms & speeds??
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Old 02-20-2020, 12:08 AM   #19
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I appreciate all the advice. I did all the mods myself except for the TGV and EGR deletes. Thatís when I brought it to the tuner so it could get tuned as well. The car was paid off before I had it tuned the first time. The shop said the boost controller failed and they blew up the car. After that I had issues with valve stem seals and found out that the first shop just threw it back together and never sent out the block. I did it right this time around and had it sent out as well as upgraded to forged pistons. I went with a mild tune both times since I donít track or auto cross.

I donít have a problem taking the stuff off but I havenít messed with the TGV and EGR stuff.
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