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Old 10-30-2019, 04:50 PM   #26
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So much want as an add on to the KBM EWG headers I already have... take my money!
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What would it take to upgrade an existing twin scroll fury kit to the recirculated waste gate setup? I'd be interested in that since oil leakage in my GTX-3067R is 'forcing' me to look at this area again anyway.

(P.S. Just sent you a question about that through your website.)

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If you wanted that recirc setup on the Fury kit, we can do it, but I would want the car here. We've never actually sold a recirc setup, due to the cost. Most just deal with the noise. The one we did build went with the car (shop car that I drove) when it was sold. I never put money into building fixtures because there was never interest, in the two years since we posted pics/prices. So we can do it, but would need the car here.
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Old 10-30-2019, 05:23 PM   #27
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Thanks, I appreciate that. I'll keep investigating that oil burn issue with some of your tips.

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If you wanted that recirc setup on the Fury kit, we can do it, but I would want the car here....
I've been wanting to take a trip to the east coast, could be fun to stop in! I'll keep that in mind when I get the car healthy again.
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Old 10-31-2019, 08:34 AM   #28
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Thanks, I appreciate that. I'll keep investigating that oil burn issue with some of your tips.



I've been wanting to take a trip to the east coast, could be fun to stop in! I'll keep that in mind when I get the car healthy again.
No problem, and definitely feel free to stop by the shop if you're in the area!
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Old 11-01-2019, 06:46 AM   #29
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Looks like we will have 3 sets going out to various sources for independent testing and feedback. I don't expect to see and results for +1 month, but the testers are from stock to built, so it should give some good data across the range.
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Old 03-05-2020, 10:08 PM   #30
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Looks like we will have 3 sets going out to various sources for independent testing and feedback. I don't expect to see and results for +1 month, but the testers are from stock to built, so it should give some good data across the range.
Any news yet?
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Old 03-11-2020, 10:34 AM   #31
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Any news yet?
Testing has gone well. The feedback is positive and the results about what you'd expect; better than IWG, but not quite as much as VTA EWGs.

We've learned some things along the way as well.

As we're going over the costs I wanted to share some of the information and am asking for your feedback...

These systems would all come catted and with a complete J/I-Pipe. In other words, it words the post turbo exhaust would go from turbine to the cat-back. Testers were sent just J-Pipes, and that just didn't work out because aftermarket J and I Pipe manufacturers are not using OEM flange locations like we did way back when designing FA WRX exhaust parts. There is no standard for these flange locations, so a complete J/I needs to be part of the equation. Also, the setup would need to be sold COMPLETE. There is no 'upgrading' any existing EWG headers. This is due to slip fits that needs to be used. Unfortunately there's no room to use a flex section, and I wouldn't want to one anyway, because they are unreliable over time.

The fab time and materials adds up. One of the things we struggle with in the FA20 WRX crowd is with pricing. Making stuff cheap is not our thing, we are on the other side of the scale.

So this is where the rubber hits the road. How much is a quiet EWG setup worth to you? As a bare-bones kit would you make this purchase at 2,999?
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Old 03-11-2020, 07:34 PM   #32
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Testing has gone well. The feedback is positive and the results about what you'd expect; better than IWG, but not quite as much as VTA EWGs.

We've learned some things along the way as well.

As we're going over the costs I wanted to share some of the information and am asking for your feedback...

These systems would all come catted and with a complete J/I-Pipe. In other words, it words the post turbo exhaust would go from turbine to the cat-back. Testers were sent just J-Pipes, and that just didn't work out because aftermarket J and I Pipe manufacturers are not using OEM flange locations like we did way back when designing FA WRX exhaust parts. There is no standard for these flange locations, so a complete J/I needs to be part of the equation. Also, the setup would need to be sold COMPLETE. There is no 'upgrading' any existing EWG headers. This is due to slip fits that needs to be used. Unfortunately there's no room to use a flex section, and I wouldn't want to one anyway, because they are unreliable over time.

The fab time and materials adds up. One of the things we struggle with in the FA20 WRX crowd is with pricing. Making stuff cheap is not our thing, we are on the other side of the scale.

So this is where the rubber hits the road. How much is a quiet EWG setup worth to you? As a bare-bones kit would you make this purchase at 2,999?
If I had the money sure I would do it. Ideally most daily's would go recirc but I dont think it's worth it. When you break it down it's not a bad price especially if your just starting your build.
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Old 03-11-2020, 08:33 PM   #33
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Testing has gone well. The feedback is positive and the results about what you'd expect; better than IWG, but not quite as much as VTA EWGs.

We've learned some things along the way as well.

As we're going over the costs I wanted to share some of the information and am asking for your feedback...

These systems would all come catted and with a complete J/I-Pipe. In other words, it words the post turbo exhaust would go from turbine to the cat-back. Testers were sent just J-Pipes, and that just didn't work out because aftermarket J and I Pipe manufacturers are not using OEM flange locations like we did way back when designing FA WRX exhaust parts. There is no standard for these flange locations, so a complete J/I needs to be part of the equation. Also, the setup would need to be sold COMPLETE. There is no 'upgrading' any existing EWG headers. This is due to slip fits that needs to be used. Unfortunately there's no room to use a flex section, and I wouldn't want to one anyway, because they are unreliable over time.

The fab time and materials adds up. One of the things we struggle with in the FA20 WRX crowd is with pricing. Making stuff cheap is not our thing, we are on the other side of the scale.

So this is where the rubber hits the road. How much is a quiet EWG setup worth to you? As a bare-bones kit would you make this purchase at 2,999?
At that point I'd shell out a little more and just get a Twin Scroll Fury Kit from you. Granted, I'm obnoxious and prefer the loud noises to begin with, but still. I feel like you'd never sell enough units to justify production and it would be better served remaining a custom fab deal.
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Old 03-12-2020, 10:09 AM   #34
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How about if it could be an upgrade path? As-in retrofittable to customers that already had our EWG headers? This way the cost of admission gets spread out over time.

We see some buyers of our EWG headers come back and say, 'I love the performance, but man is it loud!' I think some of these guys have not had previous experience with EWGs and didn't really understand how loud it could be. For those, this could be an option.

Thanks for the feedback!
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Old 03-13-2020, 08:04 AM   #35
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How about if it could be an upgrade path? As-in retrofittable to customers that already had our EWG headers? This way the cost of admission gets spread out over time.

We see some buyers of our EWG headers come back and say, 'I love the performance, but man is it loud!' I think some of these guys have not had previous experience with EWGs and didn't really understand how loud it could be. For those, this could be an option.

Thanks for the feedback!
I have your EWG setup and it is loud but worked with my tuner and we have the right spring setup so that itís only loud when youíre really on it... I would still like to go full recirc but not sure I would dump 3k on it... 1000, maybe. I think this boils down to each persons pocket book and the value they see in the product and itís function / performance. BTW I have your TMIC too so I see the value in your products!
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Old 03-14-2020, 01:09 PM   #36
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I have your EWG setup and it is loud but worked with my tuner and we have the right spring setup so that itís only loud when youíre really on it... I would still like to go full recirc but not sure I would dump 3k on it... 1000, maybe. I think this boils down to each persons pocket book and the value they see in the product and itís function / performance. BTW I have your TMIC too so I see the value in your products!
I've noticed some guys out there are running higher pressure springs to keep things quieter until higher boost levels. Our shop car with the Twin Scroll Fury Kit installed I ran the typical TS 30-40% of target boost springs and it would start to open ~7-8psi but not get loud until ~12 or so psi. Of course the kit made ~100whp more than a stage II car so at ~12psi the car still scoots quicker than a stock WRX. The point being that you can still drive 'normal' without attracting every lawman within a mile radius. Although, flogging it would need to be reserved for more ideal conditions, which is not always desirable and why I eventually went recirc.

The pricing is a tough one. The catted J/I-Pipe itself would be close to $1,000 and then you have the recirc fab work and parts on top of that. As an upgrade path I would expect pricing to be ~$1,600-$1,800. I am speculating a bit here as we've not built any tooling to get accurate labor hours.

Regardless, the feedback for the function is very good, but not for the price tag. Unless there is an influx of more positive interest (including the price) I see the product being shelved.
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Old 03-15-2020, 12:55 PM   #37
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I've noticed some guys out there are running higher pressure springs to keep things quieter until higher boost levels. Our shop car with the Twin Scroll Fury Kit installed I ran the typical TS 30-40% of target boost springs and it would start to open ~7-8psi but not get loud until ~12 or so psi. Of course the kit made ~100whp more than a stage II car so at ~12psi the car still scoots quicker than a stock WRX. The point being that you can still drive 'normal' without attracting every lawman within a mile radius. Although, flogging it would need to be reserved for more ideal conditions, which is not always desirable and why I eventually went recirc.

The pricing is a tough one. The catted J/I-Pipe itself would be close to $1,000 and then you have the recirc fab work and parts on top of that. As an upgrade path I would expect pricing to be ~$1,600-$1,800. I am speculating a bit here as we've not built any tooling to get accurate labor hours.

Regardless, the feedback for the function is very good, but not for the price tag. Unless there is an influx of more positive interest (including the price) I see the product being shelved.
Totally understand from a business perspective, it has to be made with the right quality and it has to be profitable.

So basically a full kit would be, header, recirc and j-pipe? That may work, those that want it, could part out. Just like they would if they were changing their goals... I did when I changed from another vendors top mount to yours when I didnít like the way the BOV was mounted.
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Old 03-31-2020, 05:46 PM   #38
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If anyone is interested I have one setup left. Shoot me a PM.
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Old 04-06-2020, 01:41 PM   #39
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So it looks like EWG 321 Headers, Dual EWG recirc Dump Tubes, J-Pipe modified for recirc EWG, and spacers/hardware would be $1,999.
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