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Old 03-30-2020, 08:33 AM   #1651
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Others move on. I have... although it did take me 74 years, LOL, so a smile for you today.
Are you 74? Wow, if I'm still driving stick at 74 that'll be a miracle. Then again my mom drive stick til she was 80.

btw it's not the CVT that bothers me, the new ones are as good as automatics. But I test drove the GTI's excellent DCT and 6MT and preferred the manual.
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Old 03-30-2020, 08:34 AM   #1652
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The competition has been adding 6MT options to the top trims with the safety features, so Subaru may do the same to try to keep up. Civic has a 6MT Touring hatch now and Elantra GT NLine has a manual with the safety/tech package. Id choose either one over a CVT Impreza even with the 1.8T. A manual adds some much needed fun and involvement to this category.
Honestly, if it's not in a performance car, I just can't bring myself to pretend it is by having a manual in it. I'm pretty much an "all or nothing" kind of guy. That's why my WRX pissed me off the most in comparison to my STI. When there's something that performs "better" (more consistently, as far as I'm concerned), then it's very difficult for me to accept the more inferior product.

Por ejemplo: Last night I almost bought a Samsung Galaxy Tab A, which I could've got for free from Samsung. But, after some debate with myself, I wound up getting a Galaxy Tab S6 through Best Buy because I just knew it would be a more satisfying experience in the long run.

The Impreza Sport hatchback really only got the Mazda 3 hatchback AWD as a competitor recently, and even in comparisons the Mazda 3 hasn't proven to really dethrone the Impreza for overall value and performance.

Unless you're just looking to have the newest thing, can live without AWD, or just truly hate the CVT for some reason, the Impreza just seems like the best deal. It's just emotional hurdles at that point.
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Old 03-30-2020, 08:58 AM   #1653
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The "competition" didn't use to have AWD, but Subaru saw the benefits outweighed the disadvantages... and led the industry into a new future. Keeping the CVT is similar, in that it enables a greater overall benefit than the anachronistic manual trans can ever approach.

There will always be people trying to hang onto the old days and ways, refusing to let go. I enjoy talking to them at auto shows... sitting in chairs next to their shiny pasts, polishing dusty memories, happy to share their garaged dreams.

Others move on. I have... although it did take me 74 years, LOL, so a smile for you today.
No, you’re just old as ****!

You constantly remind us how many years you’ve been driving as if it’s a metric of superiority, but in your case, it isn’t. I think it’s a clear detriment!

Your opinions are pitched as superior due to your old, evolved, self-actualized state.
No, they’re just old-man opinions, that’s all.

There’s nothing wrong with age (hopefully wisdom follows, in some cases) unless it causes you to start blurring your opinion and horse**** together.

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Old 03-30-2020, 09:38 AM   #1654
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Are you 74? Wow, if I'm still driving stick at 74 that'll be a miracle. Then again my mom drive stick til she was 80.

btw it's not the CVT that bothers me, the new ones are as good as automatics. But I test drove the GTI's excellent DCT and 6MT and preferred the manual.
74 was when I got my first CVT... when I traded my STI for a '14 FXT... a few back.

I'd still have a MT too... if I could have more than one car as I almost always did. But that's just stupid economics for the two of us anymore, driving 4-6k a year total.

I'd still be riding sport bikes too, but I gave that up at 65... for some of the same reasons that make my CVT Imp today's choice: modern traffic, lousy road maintenance, and deer.

2020 is certainly starting out with a bang to wake the bored. Just more of the same to me... while I parse the N&R for my next must have.
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Old 03-30-2020, 10:46 AM   #1655
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Honestly, if it's not in a performance car, I just can't bring myself to pretend it is by having a manual in it. I'm pretty much an "all or nothing" kind of guy. That's why my WRX pissed me off the most in comparison to my STI. When there's something that performs "better" (more consistently, as far as I'm concerned), then it's very difficult for me to accept the more inferior product.

Por ejemplo: Last night I almost bought a Samsung Galaxy Tab A, which I could've got for free from Samsung. But, after some debate with myself, I wound up getting a Galaxy Tab S6 through Best Buy because I just knew it would be a more satisfying experience in the long run.

The Impreza Sport hatchback really only got the Mazda 3 hatchback AWD as a competitor recently, and even in comparisons the Mazda 3 hasn't proven to really dethrone the Impreza for overall value and performance.

Unless you're just looking to have the newest thing, can live without AWD, or just truly hate the CVT for some reason, the Impreza just seems like the best deal. It's just emotional hurdles at that point.
Yeah, I drove a last gen Impreza with the manual and it sucked.

The Civic hatch is much faster, better mpg, has 6MT available in all trims, has a more useful hatch (longer instead of short and vertical), and is cheaper. It's been a huge hit for Honda in sedan and hatch form. I thought I was done with Honda, but Subaru dropped the hatchback ball and Honda ran with it.

I'm sure Subaru will put the 1.8T in the Impreza hatch, and then offer the manual only in a stripped model, and I'll pass again on it. And the WRX will remain sedan only.
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Old 03-30-2020, 10:48 AM   #1656
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74 was when I got my first CVT... when I traded my STI for a '14 FXT... a few back.

I'd still have a MT too... if I could have more than one car as I almost always did. But that's just stupid economics for the two of us anymore, driving 4-6k a year total.

I'd still be riding sport bikes too, but I gave that up at 65... for some of the same reasons that make my CVT Imp today's choice: modern traffic, lousy road maintenance, and deer.

2020 is certainly starting out with a bang to wake the bored. Just more of the same to me... while I parse the N&R for my next must have.
What is N&R?

I'm 51, so I get having to give up a few things. Trying to stay on the soccer field til the body gives out.
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Old 03-30-2020, 11:36 AM   #1657
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What is N&R?

I'm 51, so I get having to give up a few things. Trying to stay on the soccer field til the body gives out.
Soccer is no joke. Mountain and Cross-country biking also is no joke.

Every season's first ride gets harder and harder (literally.)
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Old 03-30-2020, 01:24 PM   #1658
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If the COVID-19 shutdowns last long enough, we will be lucky if the STI isn't discontinued entirely. Either way, 2021 is probably unlikely unless things turn around quick.

If by a miracle it does come to production, MT is the only way I am getting one. I ended up in an STI in large part because it's one of the only performance sedans left available in a manual. If they switch to a DCT or Auto, there are so many other options to consider.
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What is N&R?
The title of the sub-forum you're currently reading. News & Rumors.

At 50, with an operation I had a handful of years ago, sports where falling hard on my butt were removed from the picture. I won't go into details, suffice to say landing hard on my butt could be a life altering experience... I miss skiing the most.

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Old 03-30-2020, 01:58 PM   #1660
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Over the course of my years Iíve had a number of physically debilitating challenges, some crippling, some life threatening... Iíve overcome them all... so far.

The only explanation doctors gave for my recoveries was my lifelong dedication to physical fitness. So keep going to the gym, biking, soccer and whatever keeps your body strong and fit. Donít let ďunderlying conditionsĒ be in your obituary. Trust me, one day your level of physical fitness may be all that keeps you alive... to enjoy what so many toss carelessly away with undisciplined living for the moment, mindless of the future.

Canít get a new (EJ) STI if youíre not here.
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Over the course of my years I’ve had a number of physically debilitating challenges, some crippling, some life threatening... I’ve overcome them all... so far.

The only explanation doctors gave for my recoveries was my lifelong dedication to physical fitness. So keep going to the gym, biking, soccer and whatever keeps your body strong and fit. Don’t let “underlying conditions” be in your obituary. Trust me, one day your level of physical fitness may be all that keeps you alive... to enjoy what so many toss carelessly away with undisciplined living for the moment, mindless of the future.

Can’t get a new (EJ) STI if you’re not here.
Awesome advice! Also just stay low during this outbreak, eat right, get lots of rest and relax and exercise to the point that your able...long walks, bike rides etc, all to keep the immune system as strong as possible during this.

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If the COVID-19 shutdowns last long enough, we will be lucky if the STI isn't discontinued entirely. Either way, 2021 is probably unlikely unless things turn around quick.

If by a miracle it does come to production, MT is the only way I am getting one. I ended up in an STI in large part because it's one of the only performance sedans left available in a manual. If they switch to a DCT or Auto, there are so many other options to consider.

Covid 19 isnt going to go away until and unless there is a vaccine developed. They may get better at treating it over the next 12 - 18 months, but the consensus now is that even if it dies down over the summer on its own from warm humid weather hampering transmission(and they still aren't 100% sure that weather will have an effect on it), it more likely will come back in the fall of 2020 everywhere it had been "seeded"

Its safe to say the auto industry isnt going to be 100% back to normal for at LEAST 12 months or longer.
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The title of the sub-forum you're currently reading. News & Rumors.

At 50, with an operation I had a handful of years ago, sports where falling hard on my butt were removed from the picture. I won't go into details, suffice to say landing hard on my butt could be a life altering experience... I miss skiing the most.

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That sucks! 50 is not a good age for butts.

Lots of good advice in this thread!
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Old 03-30-2020, 03:56 PM   #1663
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Awesome advice! Also just stay low during this outbreak, eat right, get lots of rest and relax and exercise to the point that your able...long walks, bike rides etc, all to keep the immune system as strong as possible during this.

Covid 19 isnt going to go away until and unless there is a vaccine developed. They may get better at treating it over the next 12 - 18 months, but the consensus now is that even if it dies down over the summer on its own from warm humid weather hampering transmission(and they still aren't 100% sure that weather will have an effect on it), it more likely will come back in the fall of 2020 everywhere it had been "seeded"

Its safe to say the auto industry isnt going to be 100% back to normal for at LEAST 12 months or longer.
Great advice. I think we all have experienced getting sick when you're run down, not sleeping enough, working too hard etc. I feel for the health care workers having such a rough time.

Hopefully we'll build up some herd immunity - in that Diamond Princess cruise ship, only like 25% even caught the virus, so we may have some immunity already.
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And the WRX will remain sedan only.
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Old 03-31-2020, 12:54 PM   #1665
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Meh, looking at the Levorg, I do not mind the sedan. I'd prefer a 2 door but that's fine. I'm not arguing. Just give us MT and a good amount of power and I'll be happy.
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Old 03-31-2020, 10:28 PM   #1666
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Great advice. I think we all have experienced getting sick when you're run down, not sleeping enough, working too hard etc. I feel for the health care workers having such a rough time.

Hopefully we'll build up some herd immunity - in that Diamond Princess cruise ship, only like 25% even caught the virus, so we may have some immunity already.
I hope so too. This virus seems to be very good at spreading into a population and in such a way that it can make people EXTREMELY sick, but not necessarily kill them. Viruses that do this, IE; keep their host population from dieing off, are difficult to get rid of and will just keep coming back. Until a vaccination is developed herd immunity wont be as effective, that's what is so problematic about covid-19. There are people that have had covid 19 who recovered and then were re-infected. And there are viruses that have no herd immunity even after circulating in the world population....HIV for example.

If antibodies from recovered covid 19 patients work than that will help build up herd immunity more quickly.
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Just a rehash but worth the reminder:

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Dropping 100 pounds would be nice.
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Dropping 100 pounds would be nice.
100lbs less, more power, and a new enhanced chassis. should be nice to see and drive in person. but will it only be a sedan, or will they add a hatch or coupe to the mix this time.
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100lbs less, more power, and a new enhanced chassis. should be nice to see and drive in person. but will it only be a sedan, or will they add a hatch or coupe to the mix this time.
Not just more power, but a complete 180 on how the power is delivered. Itís gonna kick ass.
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Hopefully it doesnít explode on 91 octane. I donít have time for half baked cars.

I really hope itís a good one. I need four doors and real awd.
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It won't be an EJ, so I think we be aaight.
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Hopefully it doesnít explode on 91 octane. I donít have time for half baked cars.

I really hope itís a good one. I need four doors and real awd.
Considering the engine was originally designed to tow 5,000lbs @ altitude on 87 and only 87 octane, I think weíll be good.
That said, Subaru can, and does, screw up any tune. Theyíll probably screw up the STIís tune out of the gate, and fix it 2 years later. COBB will fix it in 3-6mo.
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Hopefully it is not $50k either.
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