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Old 05-23-2003, 04:46 PM   #61
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That dark blue sedan is the most beautiful car I have ever seen. I hope Subaru brings a PERFOMANCE turbo model so it can be my next new car.
hint, hint Subaru...
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Old 05-23-2003, 04:55 PM   #62
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I like the different grille and add-on lip on that silver one.
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Old 05-23-2003, 05:13 PM   #63
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I like the different grille and add-on lip on that silver one.
Me, too.

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Old 05-23-2003, 05:18 PM   #64
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I WANT ONE TOO!!

Will Subaru step up to the plate and bring us a twin turbo (wagon) already?! I cant afford it, but I would buy it anyway!

Cant wait...
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Old 05-23-2003, 05:18 PM   #65
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Subaru definitely has a hit on their hands! Now we get to wait and see what and when we'll be getting for the North American market!

As I said before, make mine red, with black interior and Im there! I may even consider a purchase even if all they offer is the 210 hp variant of the 2.5 L destined for the Forester and Baja! Hell I may even give the sportsmatic a shot!
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Old 05-23-2003, 05:22 PM   #66
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I WANT ONE TOO!!

Will Subaru step up to the plate and bring us a twin turbo (wagon) already?! I cant afford it, but I would buy it anyway!

Cant wait...
The turbo cars that we know of are going to be single turbo. Nobody has any conclusive evidence of a twin-turbo H6, the Legacy Yeti, as I like to think of it.

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Old 05-23-2003, 06:22 PM   #67
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Legacy B4 Yeti edition droool
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Old 05-23-2003, 07:12 PM   #68
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2000GTwagon: I'm told twin-turbo NO. Twin-scroll YES.

sooberoo: I'm told that you can expect much better than a mere 210HP.

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Old 05-23-2003, 07:32 PM   #69
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From a thread at the Car and Driver Forums:
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Old 05-23-2003, 10:28 PM   #70
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Wow!!

Can't wait to see those beauties in the metal!!

Paul, AnotherB4, you guys got the urge to trade in your "old" wheels yet?
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Old 05-23-2003, 11:05 PM   #71
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Bravoooo!!!!!! Subaru... ok.. now let me find my heart pills.. ouch.. the pain in a chest.. Hope I live long enough to realize my dream of owning one.. !!!! Oh.. and WRX.. eat my 姧

Rock On Legacy..
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Old 05-24-2003, 12:52 AM   #72
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To quote Homer Simpson;

"I only have two questions... how much and give it to me."
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Old 05-24-2003, 02:08 AM   #73
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Paul, AnotherB4, you guys got the urge to trade in your "old" wheels yet?
Already asked for a quote of trade-in value on the beast. It's actually darned high, but I still count pennies for the next tyre purchase - getting a new Legacy may take a year or two for me.

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Old 05-24-2003, 02:11 AM   #74
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Im wondering if we are getting the 2.5T, the high strung H6, or both... And what about base model cars, unless they are just getting rid of the N/A EJ's in the US... Eh, too much speculation on my part but I would like to know
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getting a new Legacy may take a year or two for me.
I hear what you're sayin', Paul. From what I've read though, you've got a decent ride to tide you over...

Actually, contrary to some hopeful predictions of a late fall-winter delivery, I believe I also have some time (nearly a year) to save up my pennies before the wonder-Legacy hits NA shores. Call it a hunch, but I think it will be announced in Jan '04 at Detroit, hitting the lots around end of March to middle of April.

Lots and lots of speculation to look forward to 'til then... And I need to start workin' the budget!!
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To quote Homer Simpson;

"I only have two questions... how much and give it to me."


That sums up my feelings exactly. Scary, huh?
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Old 05-24-2003, 02:31 AM   #77
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Kostamojen, that's hard to say, I think the H6 is just delayed for a slightly later debut, final tuning perhaps. It will come though. As many may know I have been working on a proposal for showing Subaru what the market would perhaps like to see, and upon seeing the current offerings overseas I came up with a modified list that may potentially work with the US market very well:

Legacy 2.5GT [premium] (260-280hp, 250+ft-lb) (Leather or Cloth Interior)

Legacy 3.0R [premium] (230-240hp, 220-230ft-lb) (Leather or Cloth Interior)

Legacy 2.5ST [regular] (2.5L SOHC or DOHC w/ AVCS and 10.0:1 CR; ~170-185hp, 165-175ft-lb) (Cloth Interior)

Offering each in Wagon and Sedan trims for a total of 6 models with a special edition 'spec B' or something similar would be awesome.

Now that brings me to my questions. What are all the differences between the GT and the GT spec B, here is what I can see:
-17" -> 18" wheels
-Add Aluminum Pedals (Gas, Brake, Clutch-MT, Deadpedal)
-Larger Front Lower Spoiler
-4.111FDR -> 4.444 FDR (Final Drive Ratio)

That also brings the question of the wheel size with the 18" wheels. I know most 18" wheels for the Subaru in aftermarket are 18x7.5", are these they same, however I am suspecting 18x7" which leaves little options for different than OEM tires, particularly with All-Season Ultra High Performance tires which I would choose. If they are 7.5" wide a MUCH wider selection is available and for a much reduced cost in general. I love the design of the 18" wheels and the overall upgrades on the GT spec B models, but the tire situation could be a potential holdback. Any idea on the wheel situation and if I missed anything extra?
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Old 05-24-2003, 02:33 AM   #78
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I asked this in the other thead too, but might as well ask again;

Has anybody seen the interior dimensions of the wagon??
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Old 05-24-2003, 03:43 AM   #79
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I asked this in the other thead too, but might as well ask again;

Has anybody seen the interior dimensions of the wagon??
Interior dimensions:
length-1840mm
width-1445mm
height-1190mm (45mm less if you have a sunroof)

Also sat in a silver wagon today. I'm speechless...quite pricey though. The stock 18's are quite nice. The rear reclining seats are a nice touch and they obviously fold down as well. Both the wagon and the sedan have hooks in the rear for child seats.

Someone asked about the tailights on this thing. One side is a rear foglight. The right side looks like LED so I think its the left.
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Old 05-24-2003, 07:28 AM   #80
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thecarconnection mentions 350hp STi...

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Originally posted by SUBE555
Kostamojen, that's hard to say, I think the H6 is just delayed for a slightly later debut, final tuning perhaps. It will come though. As many may know I have been working on a proposal for showing Subaru what the market would perhaps like to see, and upon seeing the current offerings overseas I came up with a modified list that may potentially work with the US market very well:

Legacy 2.5GT [premium] (260-280hp, 250+ft-lb) (Leather or Cloth Interior)

Legacy 3.0R [premium] (230-240hp, 220-230ft-lb) (Leather or Cloth Interior)

Legacy 2.5ST [regular] (2.5L SOHC or DOHC w/ AVCS and 10.0:1 CR; ~170-185hp, 165-175ft-lb) (Cloth Interior)

Offering each in Wagon and Sedan trims for a total of 6 models with a special edition 'spec B' or something similar would be awesome.

Now that brings me to my questions. What are all the differences between the GT and the GT spec B, here is what I can see:
-17" -> 18" wheels
-Add Aluminum Pedals (Gas, Brake, Clutch-MT, Deadpedal)
-Larger Front Lower Spoiler
-4.111FDR -> 4.444 FDR (Final Drive Ratio)

That also brings the question of the wheel size with the 18" wheels. I know most 18" wheels for the Subaru in aftermarket are 18x7.5", are these they same, however I am suspecting 18x7" which leaves little options for different than OEM tires, particularly with All-Season Ultra High Performance tires which I would choose. If they are 7.5" wide a MUCH wider selection is available and for a much reduced cost in general. I love the design of the 18" wheels and the overall upgrades on the GT spec B models, but the tire situation could be a potential holdback. Any idea on the wheel situation and if I missed anything extra?
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Old 05-24-2003, 09:03 AM   #81
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Err, yes, I'd love one - but have a hankering for saving up for the next S40x

The fog light is the LED on the right, the left is the reversing lamp.

Look for the H6 in September...Outback in November - JDMs of course And the US version...well, y'all already know when I think it'll be hitting your shores.
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Interior dimensions:
length-1840mm
width-1445mm
height-1190mm (45mm less if you have a sunroof)
I would like to know f/r legroom, r shldr room and uggage capacity with seats up and down.

If anybody knows, that would be great.

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thecarconnection mentions 350hp STi...
That was basically based on the speculation because of the dual exhaust. I will believe it when I see it. The example in the B11S is no proof it will go to production anytime soon. I don't have much faith in The Car Connection after seeing some things that haven't happened or have been innacurate, not to mention their typographical errors were horrible.
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Old 05-24-2003, 07:06 PM   #84
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Kostamojen, that's hard to say, I think the H6 is just delayed for a slightly later debut, final tuning perhaps. It will come though. As many may know I have been working on a proposal for showing Subaru what the market would perhaps like to see, and upon seeing the current offerings overseas I came up with a modified list that may potentially work with the US market very well:

Legacy 2.5GT [premium] (260-280hp, 250+ft-lb) (Leather or Cloth Interior)

Legacy 3.0R [premium] (230-240hp, 220-230ft-lb) (Leather or Cloth Interior)

Legacy 2.5ST [regular] (2.5L SOHC or DOHC w/ AVCS and 10.0:1 CR; ~170-185hp, 165-175ft-lb) (Cloth Interior)

Offering each in Wagon and Sedan trims for a total of 6 models with a special edition 'spec B' or something similar would be awesome.
I think this is spot on, and I agree that this is what will most likely happen for the North American market. Suddenly, I'm excited about next year's Chicago Auto Show!

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Old 05-24-2003, 08:02 PM   #85
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The rear reclining seats are a nice touch and they obviously fold down as well.
Sweet! I wonder if that is an option in the sedan as well like the G35.
Me thinks I'm going to pass on picking up my Impreza and let somebody else have it. I'll drive a beater until I make up my mind and figure out which country I'm going to move to. This could really destroy the need for an Impreza STi wagon at least until they make the Impreza lighter.

I haven't run the numbers, but it looks like a GT Spec B in the US would end up with the 2.5t 300hp engine. That should make it size and power equal to the Volvo V60R/V70R but with a lot less weight. Performance on par with the new S4 (or darn close) at a ton less money and more room.
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wondering if it comes with rear drums or discs? I really hope its discs cause im gettting sick of swapping. Yes, i am refering to all of the new legacys. I know the gt turbo must come with them, but the rest?
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I'm surprised that even the GT spec B just has 2 pot brakes up front. Since rear are disc as well, I assume they are 1 pot. I thought it would have the 4/2 brakes like the WRX. That seems pretty weak for JDM standards.
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Questions for wrx_sti_ver4, and Paul Hansen, and the other folks in Japan who have actually touched one of the new Legacy vehicles:

Does the new Legacy have dual climate control (the ability to have cool air go to the passenger while warm air goes to the driver, etc) ???

Does the new Legacy have a telescoping steering wheel?
(All I saw mentioned in the PDF document Press Release was that the steering wheel is now 10mm closer to the driver than before).

Does the new Legacy have more front seat legroom than the outgoing Legacy? (I want to be able to stretch my legs out further).


By the way, I really like the looks of the car, inside and out, based on the photos. I'm in the market for two new cars in the next year.
I know Subaru wants to compete against Audi, and other upscale vehicles.
The things that led me to buy an Audi a few years ago was the leg room and the telescoping steering wheel. I would prefer to buy Subaru, but if the legroom, telescoping steering wheel, and dual climate control are not there, I may be going back to Audi and others. Again, this is not a criticism, but instead is just a note to Subaru that many buyers are looking for those things.

Thanks in advance for any replies.
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I'm surprised that even the GT spec B just has 2 pot brakes up front. Since rear are disc as well, I assume they are 1 pot. I thought it would have the 4/2 brakes like the WRX. That seems pretty weak for JDM standards.
Did you know that the Corvette comes with 2-pots in the front also?

I'll admit to my own misgivings towards 2-pot brakes early in my ownership of Subaru's. However, after study and actual absorption of some of the information that flows through my ears and eyes over the years (not all, but a bit makes it's way through), I've found that what affects your braking most is the amount of swept area, the amount of pad on metal. Then, of course, it's rotors, brake lines and brake fluid, along with rigidity of the braking system.

The new Legacy still has 2 pots, yes, but they are huge 2-pots on huge rotors. Random, unsubstantiated belief leads me to state that braking is not a problem with the new car.

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AFAIK, in Japan there is no telescoping steering nor dual climate. The front seat does go back farther though, creating the possibility of more room for the chosen ones in the front at the expense of rear seat inhabitants. I hesitate to state anything definitive towards the American Legacy as far as details such as steering and dual climate, however, because they frequently change minor details to match up with other countries.

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