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Old 07-12-2018, 04:35 PM   #1751
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Oh Perrin. Always tinkering. Always improving.

I'm mostly curious about how much Subaru left on the table for tuning, if anything. Especially when it's tuned for 87 stock, I want to see how it does on 93. In Alaska our highest is 90, so my mom will never see such glorious performance gains whenever she gets one.
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:43 PM   #1752
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Old 07-12-2018, 09:16 PM   #1753
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I think step 1 should be to pull logs out of that Ascent ECU before touching a single bolt on that engine.
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Old 07-12-2018, 11:03 PM   #1754
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I think step 1 should be to pull logs out of that Ascent ECU before touching a single bolt on that engine.
it is already too late once the tuning and adjustments begin. Warranty is already going to be null and void. The problem is the fact that the engine is brand new. If something goes wrong after you have messed with it, the engine is too new to have repair parts on hand, unlike the existing subaru turbos they are familiar with
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Old 07-13-2018, 06:36 AM   #1755
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This isnít just one of the best Subarus yet, itís one of the best three-row SUVs period.


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Verdict 6.8 / 10

Three row SUVs Ė almost every automaker offers one, and seemingly all buyers want one. The desire is so strong, in fact, that some companies have gone so far as to shoehorn extra rows into the backs of their smaller crossover offerings (see the Lexus RX L and Nissan Rogue). But with the departure of the Tribeca in 2014, Subaru remained one of the few holdouts in the segment, despite its place as one of the original crossover manufacturers.

The new Ascent may have arrived a bit late to the game, but it's coming in strong. A subtle but stylish look, a well-equipped cabin, and a brand-new 2.4-liter boxer engine make it one of the best options on sale right now, and a huge step up in every respect from the Tribeca that came before it.

Design & Exterior ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ 6/10

Admittedly, the new Ascent looks a bit too generic for my taste. It lacks the eccentricity of other Subaru products. The massive grille with a chrome surround is an overplayed and common element in this segment, the headlights are plainly styled, and the body just doesnít have any distinguishable shape. From the side, you might mistake it for a Honda Pilot or a Nissan Pathfinder. I long for the same lovable cues of the original Tribeca, or the sharp styling elements of the new Crosstrek.

That said, thereís nothing to truly hate about it. Black plastic cladding around the bumpers and wheel wells gives it a rugged look, as does the optional roof rack. The lone wheel style is sharp, and the chrome accent piece integrated into the taillights is also a nice touch. The Ascent is perfectly fine to look at, but wonít stand out in a crowded parking lot.

Interior & Comfort ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ 7/10

Cover up its badges, and you might guess the Ascent was a far more premium product. The cabin is extremely well-finished in the range-topping Touring trim. The handsome Java Brown leather seats are soft and comfortable, and the subtle wood accents on the door panel and Ivory leather accent pieces on the dash give the Ascentís cabin an upscale, modern feel. In terms of functionality, all the buttons and switches are cleanly laid out and easy to navigate from the driverís seat.

Hop into either of the back two rows, and the same ritzy finishes carry over. There are two USB ports and an HVAC control mounted into the back of the center console, which is easy to reach from either of the heated captainís chairs (base, Premium, and Limited trims can be had with a second-row bench).

The second-row has a hearty 38.6 inches of legroom, besting the Volkswagen Atlas by one inch. But the third row falls short to the VW by two inches (31.7 to 33.7). Still, itís a pretty comfortable place to sit; my six-foot frame never felt overly cramped behind either of the captainís chairs. And the piŤce de rťsistance: 19 cupholders, the most of any vehicle on the market today.

Technology & Connectivity ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ 7/10

Subaruís StarLink infotainment system comes standard on all trim levels of the Ascent. The setup includes Apple CarPlay and Android Auto standard, as well as satellite radio and Bluetooth connectivity. The Touring trim makes do with all the same features plus standard navigation, and a larger 8.0-inch touchscreen compared to the standard 6.5-inch screen. Itís a really seamless setup with clean graphics and immediate responsiveness Ė a huge upgrade over previous Subaru models. If you want similar entertainment options for passenger in the second and third rows, Subaru forgoes the traditional rear-seat-mounted entertainment system for a set of iPads and headphones instead, a $1,995 option.

Performance & Handling ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ 8/10

The Subaru Ascent only has one engine: a new turbocharged 2.4-liter flat-four-cylinder that produces 260 horsepower and 277 pound-feet of torque. But you wonít be complaining about the lack of options. The four-cylinder setup, paired to an eight-speed-mimicking CVT, has more torque than both the V6-powered Atlas and Chevy Traverse, and feels much punchier. The Ascent gets off the line quickly, and is never underpowered at highway speed. Subaru says it will sprint to 60 miles per hour in 7.4 seconds.

Although it tips the scales at 4,603 pounds, the Ascent performs like a much smaller crossover. The steering is light and crisp, and the suspension is expertly tuned, neither too firm nor too soft. Body roll is kept to a minimum in the corners, and the tires donít squeal or buckle even when pushed too hard. Subaruís Symmetrical all-wheel drive system means the Ascent is competent off road, too.

Safety Features ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ 8/10

Subaruís EyeSight driver assist technology Ė which includes adaptive cruise control, pre-collision braking, lane departure and sway warning, and lane keep assist Ė comes standard on all trim levels on the Ascent. Youíll have to pay extra for that kind of safety on the Atlas and Traverse. The Touring model tacks on extra features like blind-spot detection with lane change assist, rear cross-traffic alert, high-beam assist, and reverse automatic braking.

The full safety suite is advanced for this segment, and displays inklings of self-driving capabilities (note: the Ascent is not autonomous). Itís one of the best safety applications in any Subaru product to date, and puts the three-row SUV easily at the top of its class in terms of safety.

Running Costs & Fuel Economy ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ 7/10

Not only is the 2.4-liter boxer engine punchy and powerful, itís efficient, too. The Ascent returns 20 miles per gallon in the city, 26 on the highway, and 22 combined. Compare that to other all-wheel-drive, three-row SUVs like the Atlas (17/23/19), Traverse (17/25/20), and Honda Pilot (18/26/21), and the Subaru beats them all. Only the Mazda CX-9 Ė the only other four-cylinder-only model around Ė is better in this segment, but only just (20/26/23).

Pricing ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ ⠀ 5/10

At $31,995, the Ascent ranks near the top of the segment in terms of pricing. The Atlas ($30,750), Traverse ($29,930), and Honda Pilot ($30,900) are all a bit cheaper, even though the Subaru is better equipped. This tester Ė an entry-level Touring trim Ė cost $45,670 without options. But itís pretty fully loaded out of the box; only the rear entertainment system mentioned earlier (a $970 option) was missing, along with minor accessories ranging from all-weather floor mats ($132), to auto-dimming side mirrors ($233), and more. Other competitively equipped SUVs come in at near or above $50,000.
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Old 07-13-2018, 06:57 AM   #1756
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Oh Perrin. Always tinkering. Always improving.

I'm mostly curious about how much Subaru left on the table for tuning, if anything. Especially when it's tuned for 87 stock, I want to see how it does on 93. In Alaska our highest is 90, so my mom will never see such glorious performance gains whenever she gets one.


I bet Cobb will have a tune for it soon enough. Since itís my wifes car (I drive it when the whole family goes somewhere) donít know if I can justify 50cents more per gallon on fuel though. Iíve already got one fuel gulper!
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Old 07-13-2018, 07:44 AM   #1757
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Hopefully Subaru has learned some things on this brand new engine as far as ECU tunes go, I doubt it though. The brand new for 14 FA20DIT factory tune in the FXT was a disaster.
Went through 2 years and 3-5 code versions to get a safe drivable tune.
Almost every brand new Subaru engine goes through this. It sucks. Remember the EJ257 in 2004. Blown motors galore.
I remember the 14 FXT going into limp mode in the middle of heavy traffic on the interstate every time we’d take it anywhere over about an hour in 75+ degree temps. All with 91 octane. Horrible, unsafe experience that lasted years. Many trips to the dealer with the whole “can’t replicate” BS. I kept telling them to get a freaking tune that works. FINALLY fixed it about a year and a half ago with yet another ECU flash. You know the one - the leak down test one, where people were blowing up their stock FA20DITs because the of **** factory tunes. Subaru replaced quite a few FA20DITs at my dealer because of that crap - not mine unfortunately.
After all the tune revisions, the car is quite a bit slower than those first, early 0-60 in 6.2 sprints magazines were getting in 2013.
Thing still blasts a black cloud of smoke if you stomp on it from a stop (like a diesel).

Be very curious to see first-year experiences on a high altitude Ascent here. Glad I won’t be going through first-year tune issues again.

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Old 07-13-2018, 09:29 AM   #1758
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I was thinking if you put the cvt into manual mode you can do dumb stuff. Like high gear low rpm stomp. (High load) In auto the computer can do a lot to keep you out of trouble by ďdownshiftingĒ.
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Old 07-13-2018, 01:45 PM   #1759
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Got a Limited, didnt need the +100$/month Premier option on a rental. I really though I would get disappointed by the Ascent and get an Atlas instead but the test drive changed my mind.

Atlas was close to price, but fuel economy, reliability and look didn't help. Ascent seem to drive better.

Explorer Sport was fun to drive, but too thirsty and 3rd row is a joke. 2nd row isn't good at all.

CX9 no captain seats so my older can't get in the back (we have 3 baby seats)

Pilot cant stand the shifter sorry.
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Old 07-13-2018, 07:16 PM   #1760
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it is already too late once the tuning and adjustments begin. Warranty is already going to be null and void. The problem is the fact that the engine is brand new. If something goes wrong after you have messed with it, the engine is too new to have repair parts on hand, unlike the existing subaru turbos they are familiar with
What I meant is that I would pull logs out of the bone stock tune; that can be done without modifying ECU programming and that won't void warranty.
It's just to get an idea of how well the engine is actually doing with 87 in the tank.
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Old 07-14-2018, 11:34 AM   #1761
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All you need for that is a Tactrix OPv2 or an OBDLink LX/MX with v4+ firmware (effectively support for SSM over CAN) and then either BtSsm and an Android v4-7 device with USB OTG support or RomRaider's logger on a Windows laptop or tablet.


From what I've seen from a quick session of BtSsm and TactrixOPv2 on an Ascent, AKI87 E10 is an FKC and IAM/DAM symphony orchestra. Havent had time or care to look at AF error or Boost error. AF Learn/Correct 1 and 3 looked fine given stock intake, new Rear O2 in a new exhaust, etc.

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Old 07-14-2018, 05:43 PM   #1762
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I picked up a red Ascent Touring on Friday. Everything was great until it wouldn't let me park in the garage because of a phantom obstacle. I'm new to eyesight, so I don't know what it's problem was. I will be disappointed if I have to disable electronic nannies every time I try to park at home.
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Old 07-14-2018, 06:01 PM   #1763
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I picked up a red Ascent Touring on Friday. Everything was great until it wouldn't let me park in the garage because of a phantom obstacle. I'm new to eyesight, so I don't know what it's problem was. I will be disappointed if I have to disable electronic nannies every time I try to park at home.
Under what circumstances does this occur?

Both of our vehicles ('14 FXT and '15 Legacy) have Eyesight and I've only experienced a dozen or so phantom obstacles, mostly with the older system in the '14. Most were the result of coming quickly into a hard corner or onto an on-ramp in which I pass opposing cars down-hill and curving, if the lane doesn't turn quickly enough for Eyesight to disregard the cars in the opposing lane. It has happened so infrequently that I never felt the need to disable the pre-collision system, even through the areas with known issues.

The only time I've had an issue with our garage, is when I try to try to move forward as the door is 3/4 up, so that I would pass just beneath the door. I have never experienced a problem if the door is already above the car when I hit the accelerator. Our garage is not very tall. I wonder if an Ascent would even fit in it, to be honest. We have just enough room to pull in and to raise the lift gate on the Forester completely, and enough to pack and unpack each, with not much more room than that.
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Old 07-15-2018, 01:14 AM   #1764
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Under what circumstances does this occur?
Our driveway is at a right angle to our garage. I pulled in to the driveway, waited for the garage to open, then turned into garage. The rear wheels had just touched the lip of the garage floor when it stopped me. My wife got out to see if something was actually there, but it was clear. I ended up going into park, then back to drive, and it let me go forward.

It hasn't happened since, but it really makes me feel uneasy. What if I was turning left across oncoming traffic, and it just decided to cut my throttle again for no reason. Or what if there really was an object, but I'd rather hit the object than get t-boned?

I'm sure this stuff has been hashed out on some other thread somewhere, but I've never heard any complaints myself, so it was a nasty surprise.

Otherwise, we are happy with the car. Feels like a luxury auto compared to our previous 2014 Forester XT Premium or my 2014 wrx.
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Old 07-15-2018, 06:15 AM   #1765
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All you need for that is a Tactrix OPv2 or an OBDLink LX/MX with v4+ firmware (effectively support for SSM over CAN) and then either BtSsm and an Android v4-7 device with USB OTG support or RomRaider's logger on a Windows laptop or tablet.


From what I've seen from a quick session of BtSsm and TactrixOPv2 on an Ascent, AKI87 E10 is an FKC and IAM/DAM symphony orchestra. Havent had time or care to look at AF error or Boost error. AF Learn/Correct 1 and 3 looked fine given stock intake, new Rear O2 in a new exhaust, etc.
Btssm is a superb app, especially coupled with tactrix openport 2.0 as the connection device. I get to monitor CVT temps (which hopefully someone does with the Ascent) and much much more. Torque pro app with active obd plugin is a good start - obdlink LX as the Bluetooth connector.

Only android. But Droid devices can be inexpensive... Something like a small Samsung tablet

Monitor your CVT temps Ascent community... Especially if you decide to tune or do any "testing"
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Old 07-15-2018, 07:41 PM   #1766
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I picked up a red Ascent Touring on Friday. Everything was great until it wouldn't let me park in the garage because of a phantom obstacle. I'm new to eyesight, so I don't know what it's problem was. I will be disappointed if I have to disable electronic nannies every time I try to park at home.
WTF that doesn't sound very safe.
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Old 07-15-2018, 09:04 PM   #1767
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Picked up a red Limited 8 passenger with Navi and a couple other creature comfort goodies thrown in just before July 4th using the ASPCA Subaru VIP program. Am happy to report that the car is roomy, comfortable, and drives well (although I haven't really pushed it at all during the break in period). Love that it's tuned for low end torque.

Haven't noticed any issues with Eyesight phantoms or parking... yet...
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Old 07-16-2018, 01:41 AM   #1768
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Picked up a red Limited 8 passenger with Navi and a couple other creature comfort goodies thrown in just before July 4th using the ASPCA Subaru VIP program. Am happy to report that the car is roomy, comfortable, and drives well (although I haven't really pushed it at all during the break in period). Love that it's tuned for low end torque.

Haven't noticed any issues with Eyesight phantoms or parking... yet...
Subaru of Indiana Automotive drives the car up past 100 mph on rollers for about 30 seconds or less. Your car is already broken in right after it's off the assembly line. They have a good amount of checks and balances.

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I picked up a red Ascent Touring on Friday. Everything was great until it wouldn't let me park in the garage because of a phantom obstacle. I'm new to eyesight, so I don't know what it's problem was. I will be disappointed if I have to disable electronic nannies every time I try to park at home.
Go back to Subaru and see if they'll recalibrate EyeSight. It's calibrated to your windshield. Maybe something happened to the calibration.
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This isnít just one of the best Subarus yet, itís one of the best three-row SUVs period.
I couldn't agree more with this!! I've owned a few different Subaru's and probably have driven "most"

The new Ascent exceeds in every category a car like this has! let alone I'm really surprised with the power out put, throttle response and drive-ability.
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Old 07-16-2018, 02:36 PM   #1770
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I'll take the tour again soon, but I seem to specifically recall the large digital readout above the rollers going well past 100 mph. I guess I could just email the tour contacts and ask them, although I see you're located in central Indiana, so you're most likely correct. I just remember being impressed with their gradual speeding up as I didn't know they did any of that at all.
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I'll take the tour again soon, but I seem to specifically recall the large digital readout above the rollers going well past 100 mph. I guess I could just email the tour contacts and ask them, although I see you're located in central Indiana, so you're most likely correct. I just remember being impressed with their gradual speeding up as I didn't know they did any of that at all.
Maybe the gauge was for kph. 100 kph is ~ 63 mph, so 70mph is ~ 113kph.
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Maybe the gauge was for kph. 100 kph is ~ 63 mph, so 70mph is ~ 113kph.
It's built in America. As much as I prefer metric units, it's not what's used.

I'll defer to the guy who most likely works there given what he's posted already. It was over a year ago for me, though I do plan on visiting again or possibly moving closer to there anyway.

I mostly wanted to comment on the "break in" period that people reason for not driving their new car normally. It's already broken in, so it's okay to just drive it normal.
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I couldn't agree more with this!! I've owned a few different Subaru's and probably have driven "most"

The new Ascent exceeds in every category a car like this has! let alone I'm really surprised with the power out put, throttle response and drive-ability.
They also have one of the best high torque cvts imo. So much hate around it but I feel it is superb in my WRX... and I'm a manual transmission driver... car gives me smiles like a little kid every time I drive it. The FA20 DIT was built around the high torque CVT TR690 in the first configuration found in the JDM 2012 Legacy DIT.
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