Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Thursday March 28, 2024
Home Forums Images WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Miscellaneous > Off-Topic

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.







* As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. 
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads. 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-10-2011, 09:43 PM   #1326
BacDoc
Don't Thread on Me
Moderator
 
Member#: 75141
Join Date: Nov 2004
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Neek View Post
Sounds like a plan I like, but you don't condition yourself for compound movements by doing isolated exercises. Do compound movements!
I'm getting there. I'm battling a bad shoulder remember. Soon I'll be standing on my head while roping in a tug boat and ****.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
BacDoc is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Old 04-10-2011, 09:47 PM   #1327
TurismoLou
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 9480
Join Date: Aug 2001
Chapter/Region: International
Location: Man of Mystery
Vehicle:
2011 Wrangler Unlim.
Anti-hybrid

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BacDoc View Post
I'm getting there. I'm battling a bad shoulder remember. Soon I'll be standing on my head while roping in a tug boat and ****.
TurismoLou is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2011, 08:39 AM   #1328
wcu25rs
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 102632
Join Date: Dec 2005
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: WNC
Default

Today's WOD:

Murph

1mi run
300 squats
200 pushups
100 pullups
1mi run
wcu25rs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2011, 09:26 AM   #1329
coop119
NASIOC Supporter
 
Member#: 20001
Join Date: Jun 2002
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by -=C=- View Post
Is James getting in shape too?
He's playing on two sports teams now, which is a lot more than he ever did before we met. He's got a gym membership but hasn't been going as much recently.

I'm not sure I can get him into Crossfit. Maybe, though - I did get him into sports in the first place!

Saturday's workout:
21/15/9 reps for time
front squats
behind the neck push jerks
ring dips


I started out at 70lbs for both the squats and push jerks (which quickly became front push jerks). By the second round I switched to 65 lbs.

In the last round I tried 3 times to get my 3rd rep of a push jerk with no success, so dipped way down to 50 lbs and banged out the rest of them.


I still get wrist pain, even using the shoulder/collarbone area to support the bar during squats. What am I doing wrong?
coop119 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2011, 09:38 AM   #1330
Fish
RIP Sirkbac
 
Member#: 869
Join Date: Feb 2000
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Southern NH
Vehicle:
1984 GPZ-750 TURBO
90' MX-5/11' DGM STi Sdn

Default

And I was snowboarding weekly..

People be talkin about me in theirs cultfit threads.
Fish is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2011, 09:45 AM   #1331
-=C=-
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 7719
Join Date: Jun 2001
Vehicle:
99 F-150 crew cab
with illegals in bed

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fish View Post
And I was snowboarding weekly..

People be talkin about me in theirs cultfit threads.
Oh hai thar!


I was just curious. My wife and I go to separate gyms because she has no desire to do Crossfit. I keep trying and she keeps telling me no.
-=C=- is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2011, 09:53 AM   #1332
Neek
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 3400
Join Date: Jan 2001
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Boca Raton, FL
Vehicle:
2016 Red Pirate Cat
1981 CJ-7

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by coop119 View Post
I still get wrist pain, even using the shoulder/collarbone area to support the bar during squats. What am I doing wrong?
You likely aren't doing anything wrong. These are standard new lifter issues What you are talking about is called the rack position. It's the proper position at the top of the clean or for a front squat:



Problems with new lifters often come down to a wrist flexibility issue sometimes a lack of thoracic spine mobility or shoulder rotation mobility. Stretch stretch stretch the triceps and wrists. Many new lifters try to grip the bar and rotate their wrists back and elbows up so the bar racks across the shoulders. Ain't gonna happen. Let go of the bar and just use the fingertips to steady it there, like in the picture above. Really concentrate on your elbows being forward and rotated up and your humerus bone being as close to parallel to the floor as you can. Coming out of a front squat, start your push up with your elbows and try to act like you are trying to touch the ceiling with them. It used to be terrible for me, but has improved a lot lately. I used to struggle with thrusters terribly because if I used a good rack position for the front squat portion, my arms were in a terrible position for the push press. I can do it much better now, and usually don't utilize the rack position for the thruster, since I've gotten stronger.
Neek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2011, 10:13 AM   #1333
wopgenius
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 153855
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Florida
Vehicle:
2008 Hyundai Elantra

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wcu25rs View Post
Today's WOD:

Murph

1mi run
300 squats
200 pushups
100 pullups
1mi run
Murph is pretty tough. Longest workout I have seen so far.
wopgenius is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2011, 10:30 AM   #1334
Fish
RIP Sirkbac
 
Member#: 869
Join Date: Feb 2000
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Southern NH
Vehicle:
1984 GPZ-750 TURBO
90' MX-5/11' DGM STi Sdn

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by -=C=- View Post
Oh hai thar!


I was just curious. My wife and I go to separate gyms because she has no desire to do Crossfit. I keep trying and she keeps telling me no.
I don't think I could manage to go as much as Sara has been. esp with her work at home schedule it's been easier for her to go as much as she does. I don't think I want give up that many evenings.

I would like to get to the gym I have membership for.. but tend to be lazy and end up on our elliptical machine in the basement where no one is yelling at me.
Fish is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2011, 10:32 AM   #1335
-=C=-
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 7719
Join Date: Jun 2001
Vehicle:
99 F-150 crew cab
with illegals in bed

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fish View Post
I don't think I could manage to go as much as Sara has been. esp with her work at home schedule it's been easier for her to go as much as she does. I don't think I want give up that many evenings.

I would like to get to the gym I have membership for.. but tend to be lazy and end up on our elliptical machine in the basement where no one is yelling at me.
Driving games burn calories too!
-=C=- is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2011, 10:47 AM   #1336
Fish
RIP Sirkbac
 
Member#: 869
Join Date: Feb 2000
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Southern NH
Vehicle:
1984 GPZ-750 TURBO
90' MX-5/11' DGM STi Sdn

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by -=C=- View Post
Driving games burn calories too!
Too bad I usually have beer while doing that.
Fish is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2011, 11:00 AM   #1337
hystikal
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 83294
Join Date: Mar 2005
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: Bay Area
Vehicle:
2011 E90 M3
2011 Prius

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by coop119 View Post
He's playing on two sports teams now, which is a lot more than he ever did before we met. He's got a gym membership but hasn't been going as much recently.

I'm not sure I can get him into Crossfit. Maybe, though - I did get him into sports in the first place!

Saturday's workout:
21/15/9 reps for time
front squats
behind the neck push jerks
ring dips


I started out at 70lbs for both the squats and push jerks (which quickly became front push jerks). By the second round I switched to 65 lbs.

In the last round I tried 3 times to get my 3rd rep of a push jerk with no success, so dipped way down to 50 lbs and banged out the rest of them.


I still get wrist pain, even using the shoulder/collarbone area to support the bar during squats. What am I doing wrong?
I keep coming back to this thread cause I now realize how bad this stuff can be for you if you're not doing it correctly, and I want to help prevent mishaps. I'm basically in the same boat with bacdoc--I've got shoulder impingement from those idiotic butterfly kipping pullups.

What you're doing wrong is using way too much weight. If I'm not mistaken, you're starting this stuff new, and if anything at the very least, you shoud be doing these with an empty women's barbell (25# IIRC). The olympic lifts are complex enough, but when the morons doing the programming start doing things like 50-60 snatches or behind the neck jerks, coupled with other movements, then of course your form (which is not there to begin with, I guarantee you) will break down. If you look at all the main site videos, there's really not much form to talk about. This is people's main contention with CF--you're taking very complex movements and then having people do them to failure. Not a good idea.

Anyway, drop the amount of weight. Find someone who knows how to teach those movements and go from there.
hystikal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2011, 11:03 AM   #1338
hystikal
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 83294
Join Date: Mar 2005
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: Bay Area
Vehicle:
2011 E90 M3
2011 Prius

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Neek View Post
You likely aren't doing anything wrong. These are standard new lifter issues What you are talking about is called the rack position. It's the proper position at the top of the clean or for a front squat:



Problems with new lifters often come down to a wrist flexibility issue sometimes a lack of thoracic spine mobility or shoulder rotation mobility. Stretch stretch stretch the triceps and wrists. Many new lifters try to grip the bar and rotate their wrists back and elbows up so the bar racks across the shoulders. Ain't gonna happen. Let go of the bar and just use the fingertips to steady it there, like in the picture above. Really concentrate on your elbows being forward and rotated up and your humerus bone being as close to parallel to the floor as you can. Coming out of a front squat, start your push up with your elbows and try to act like you are trying to touch the ceiling with them. It used to be terrible for me, but has improved a lot lately. I used to struggle with thrusters terribly because if I used a good rack position for the front squat portion, my arms were in a terrible position for the push press. I can do it much better now, and usually don't utilize the rack position for the thruster, since I've gotten stronger.
BTW that is Aimee Anaya, co owner of the gym I train at (they got "booted" from CF). She's an olympic lifter and if you watch any of her videos, you'll get an example of how to do those lifts.
hystikal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2011, 11:18 AM   #1339
Neek
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 3400
Join Date: Jan 2001
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Boca Raton, FL
Vehicle:
2016 Red Pirate Cat
1981 CJ-7

Default

There's not a better combination of grace, speed, and power in the world than watching a well-trained olympic lifter. I'm convinced of it.
Neek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2011, 11:45 AM   #1340
wcu25rs
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 102632
Join Date: Dec 2005
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: WNC
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wopgenius View Post
Murph is pretty tough. Longest workout I have seen so far.

actually if you break it down into 20 rounds of Cindy, it isnt that bad. I mean still tough, but not as bad.
wcu25rs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2011, 11:53 AM   #1341
BacDoc
Don't Thread on Me
Moderator
 
Member#: 75141
Join Date: Nov 2004
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Neek View Post
There's not a better combination of grace, speed, and power in the world than watching a well-trained olympic lifter. I'm convinced of it.
Negative. A horse at full gallop is a beautiful thing. There is nothing that matches the power and grace.
BacDoc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2011, 12:09 PM   #1342
coop119
NASIOC Supporter
 
Member#: 20001
Join Date: Jun 2002
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hystikal View Post
I keep coming back to this thread cause I now realize how bad this stuff can be for you if you're not doing it correctly, and I want to help prevent mishaps. I'm basically in the same boat with bacdoc--I've got shoulder impingement from those idiotic butterfly kipping pullups.

What you're doing wrong is using way too much weight. If I'm not mistaken, you're starting this stuff new, and if anything at the very least, you shoud be doing these with an empty women's barbell (25# IIRC). The olympic lifts are complex enough, but when the morons doing the programming start doing things like 50-60 snatches or behind the neck jerks, coupled with other movements, then of course your form (which is not there to begin with, I guarantee you) will break down. If you look at all the main site videos, there's really not much form to talk about. This is people's main contention with CF--you're taking very complex movements and then having people do them to failure. Not a good idea.

Anyway, drop the amount of weight. Find someone who knows how to teach those movements and go from there.
While I agree with your points, I don't think the complexity of the movement is what caused my wrist pain. Maybe had I been doing it with a pvc pipe I wouldn't have hurt, but I think any amount of weight, even down to the 30# bar would have caused wrist discomfort. I'm simply not used to having any weight on my wrists in that position. Or any position, really, considering most things I do I likely stack the bones so my wrist is caring any of the weight.
coop119 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2011, 12:16 PM   #1343
wopgenius
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 153855
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Florida
Vehicle:
2008 Hyundai Elantra

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wcu25rs View Post
actually if you break it down into 20 rounds of Cindy, it isnt that bad. I mean still tough, but not as bad.
Damn that is a good idea. I was doing like 20pullups/20pushups/30-40 squats. I figured if I could get rid of the pullups then I could alternate pushups and squats. But I like the 20 rounds of Cindy better. Will try this next time we do murph. thanks for the tip.
wopgenius is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2011, 12:55 PM   #1344
Neek
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 3400
Join Date: Jan 2001
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Boca Raton, FL
Vehicle:
2016 Red Pirate Cat
1981 CJ-7

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by coop119 View Post
While I agree with your points, I don't think the complexity of the movement is what caused my wrist pain. Maybe had I been doing it with a pvc pipe I wouldn't have hurt, but I think any amount of weight, even down to the 30# bar would have caused wrist discomfort. I'm simply not used to having any weight on my wrists in that position. Or any position, really, considering most things I do I likely stack the bones so my wrist is caring any of the weight.
In a proper rack position your wrists really shouldn't be bearing (or caring) any significant weight at all.
Neek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2011, 01:40 PM   #1345
hystikal
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 83294
Join Date: Mar 2005
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: Bay Area
Vehicle:
2011 E90 M3
2011 Prius

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by coop119 View Post
While I agree with your points, I don't think the complexity of the movement is what caused my wrist pain. Maybe had I been doing it with a pvc pipe I wouldn't have hurt, but I think any amount of weight, even down to the 30# bar would have caused wrist discomfort. I'm simply not used to having any weight on my wrists in that position. Or any position, really, considering most things I do I likely stack the bones so my wrist is caring any of the weight.
The complexity of the movement is exactly what caused your pain. Neek is correct. You should have the bar on your fingertips and supported primarily on your anterior deltoids, not your clavicle. Your fingertips essentially only balance the bar during the rack position. Your trainers should be looking out for this and correcting it.
hystikal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2011, 01:41 PM   #1346
hystikal
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 83294
Join Date: Mar 2005
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: Bay Area
Vehicle:
2011 E90 M3
2011 Prius

Default

Look at where Aimee has the bar in the above picture.
hystikal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2011, 01:47 PM   #1347
coop119
NASIOC Supporter
 
Member#: 20001
Join Date: Jun 2002
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hystikal View Post
Look at where Aimee has the bar in the above picture.
I get that, but look at the angle of her wrists. That's where my issue comes in -lack of flexibility. No matter how much of the weight is NOT on my hands/wrists, I need to get the bar into and out of that position, which involves bending my wrists more than I'm used to.
coop119 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2011, 01:51 PM   #1348
Neek
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 3400
Join Date: Jan 2001
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Boca Raton, FL
Vehicle:
2016 Red Pirate Cat
1981 CJ-7

Default

Stretch, stretch, stretch....triceps, wrists, foam roller on your thoracic spine, lacrosse ball dug into the nasty bits of your shoulders and scaplulae. All of that can help, because lack of mobility in any of those areas can cause difficulties with the rack position. hystikal is 100% right, be very wary adding weight until you can do the moves correctly.

Really practice a nice air squat with your chest up and your spine neutral too.
Neek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2011, 02:03 PM   #1349
Neek
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 3400
Join Date: Jan 2001
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Boca Raton, FL
Vehicle:
2016 Red Pirate Cat
1981 CJ-7

Default

I know I've mentioned it a bunch of times in here before, but if you haven't started doing this stuff. Start. Don't miss a day:

http://www.mobilitywod.com/

This one in particular is a good one for you:

Neek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2011, 04:51 PM   #1350
skimmilk68
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 53385
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Hippyville, CO
Vehicle:
05 Titan 4x4
Puh-tooey

Default

I have raised clavicles so I can't put weight on it (barbell on bone = pain) when doing front squats or cleans so I get more tired since I have to hold up 150+ pounds with my arms.
any solutions?
skimmilk68 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The CrossFit thread Gerkins31 Off-Topic 59 02-14-2013 09:36 PM
Crossfit, Schmossfit. fatalfitness.com poison Off-Topic 12 07-11-2008 06:32 PM
OMG...workout folk: crossfit kicked my butt today -=C=- Off-Topic 37 05-14-2008 09:21 PM
Anyone here Crossfit? blitzpb Southern California Impreza Club Forum -- SCIC 12 10-31-2006 07:49 PM

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:31 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2024 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2019, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.

As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.

When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission
Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network.