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Old 07-01-2019, 02:22 PM   #51
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Meh, it's just slightly longer than Outback (just under 7" longer) but rides 3" lower and gets an AWD system that actually helps handling.
Another thing is V60 curb weight is in the 4000 to 4200 lbs range while TourX is between 3700 to 3850 lbs despite being larger inside and out.
Practically that means that I would probably have to spring for the 316-hp T6 engine in the Volvo just to match or exceed what the TourX is doing with its 250-hp engine.
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Meh, it's just slightly longer than Outback (just under 7" longer) but rides 3" lower and gets an AWD system that actually helps handling.
Another thing is V60 curb weight is in the 4000 to 4200 lbs range while TourX is between 3700 to 3850 lbs despite being larger inside and out.
Practically that means that I would probably have to spring for the 316-hp T6 engine in the Volvo just to match or exceed what the TourX is doing with its 250-hp engine.
The TourX feels neutered. The one I drove felt no quicker than my Tiguan and considerably slower than my LGT which is similar PWR except for torque. The torque would be good for towing. But it’s a solid meh. I haven’t driven the new V60 but I came away unimpressed with the previous $63k V60 Polestar when comparing to my Legacy so I’m not very optimistic.
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The TourX feels neutered. The one I drove felt no quicker than my Tiguan and considerably slower than my LGT which is similar PWR except for torque. The torque would be good for towing. But it’s a solid meh. I haven’t driven the new V60 but I came away unimpressed with the previous $63k V60 Polestar when comparing to my Legacy so I’m not very optimistic.
Yeah, I know I'd be settling with either TourX or V60. Realistically, I'd have to go after an E400 or E450 but the monies though...
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Old 12-26-2019, 07:05 AM   #54
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For give me for continuing to beat this dead horse, but as the satirical posters in many offices say, the beatings will continue until morale improves. I am a fan of station wagons and I think for the vast majority of people that crossovers and smaller SUVs, they are a far better choice. The American car buying populace (with the exception of automotive writers) largely disagrees with me. Nonetheless, one of my favorite cars that I drove in 2019 was a station wagon, the Volvo V60 Cross Country.

My wife and I have owned station wagons for much of the past two decades and appreciated them most of the same reasons I liked this Volvo. I like to drive cars. I prefer the driving dynamics of vehicle with a lower center of gravity, and I’m not fond of maneuvering big battleships around. But I also appreciate the utility of being able to easily get larger loads into the back of the car when I need to without compromising the aspects of car driving. I also don’t have a need to tow anything.



The station wagon, which is effectively a sedan with an extended roofline and a tailgate, gives me all of that. A close second is the hatchback, which is what we currently have in the garage. I’ve driven Volvo’s bigger V90 wagon the past, and while I like it a lot, the V60 more modest midsize dimensions are better suited to my needs as a fifty-something empty-nester. It still has an ample enough back seat to carry a couple of adults such as either both kids, or one of the kids and their partners.

Volvo offers the V60 in two forms, the traditional station wagon, and the slightly elevated Cross Country which I got to drive for a week. The Cross Country branding is Volvo’s take on faux crossover wagon pioneered by the Subaru Outback. It’s most director competitor today in terms of size and market segment is the Audi A4 AllRoad which is almost exactly the same size.

The Cross Country sits about 2.5-inches taller than the standard V60 and like other similar machines adds plastic cladding to the wheel arches but otherwise keeps the usual fake skid plate trim often added to give them a more rugged off-road ready appearance to a minimum. The V60 is one of the best looking cars on the road today and takes great advantage of the brand’s signature style from nose to tail.



The standard V60 offers two engine options, both based on Volvo’s 2.0-liter inline four-cylinder, the 254-hp turbocharged T5 or the 316-hp T6 which adds a supercharger to the mix. The Cross Country is only available with the T5 and frankly that’s just fine. An eight-speed automatic transmission is the only gearbox available and it sends torque to all corners through a standard all-wheel-drive system.

The Cross Country isn’t a vehicle for chasing Jeep Wranglers through canyons and over boulders, but it does give the driver some extra capability when the weather gets rough or if you need to follow a trail to a cabin. A driver selectable off-road mode, changes the programming of the AWD to help avoid getting stuck and it also activates the hill descent control. For those not familiar, HDC uses the brake actuator for the traction and stability control to manage the vehicle’s speed to about 10 mph or less when descending steep grades so the driver can just focus on steering.



In the cabin, the Cross Country is identical to the standard V60 and not really different from the larger 90 series cars either. Aside from the Sensus infotainment system, that’s not a bad thing at all. While Sensus isn’t the most intuitive infotainment interface on the market, at least the performance has improved over the years since it debuted on the XC90. I don’t like having to use the touchscreen to adjust the temperature or fan speed,

Considering that the loaded Cross Country I drove ended up just shy of $57,000, you would expect it to have great materials and fit and finish and as usual, Volvo delivers. The Birch light metallic exterior was paired with the Blond leather and charcoal interior finish. That light leather looks great, but it’s probably not the best choice if you’ll be transporting kids or dogs, but Volvo does offer a number of darker combinations. If a vehicle is going to have wood trim inside, I’m definitely in favor of the open-pore veneers found in this Volvo than some of the high-gloss finishes that often end up looking more like 1970s plastic wood.




The 23.2 cubic feet available for cargo behind the back seats is not exceptional, but plenty for four people’s stuff for a road trip. With the seats folded, the volume more than doubles to 50.1 cubic feet.

At 3,764-pounds, the Volvo is lighter than the A4 AllRoad and 350-pounds lighter than the XC60 that Volvo builds on this same platform. The turbo-4 proves to be completely up to the task of propelling the V60 even with the extra plastic tacked on. While I’d prefer the standard wagon, I’d definitely choose this elevated version over the even taller XC60. It’s handling is surprisingly nimble and it offers good ride quality even over Michigan roads.



I thoroughly enjoyed driving this car in good weather and bad. It was equipped with the full suite of Volvo’s current driver assist offerings including Pilot Assist. This system that adds lane centering to the adaptive cruise control has also improved in performance since I first tried it several years back on the XC90. However, its ability to steer at highway speeds is limited, which means that it will often still drift out of the lane on some highway curves. This is absolutely not a hands-off or eyes-off system.

The active park assist system works well enough, but it is slow both to recognize an available space and then maneuver into it. In a crowded parking lot, you will likely find yourself annoying other drivers as they wait to continue trolling for an empty space. Any competent parker will be able to get into a space in considerably less time.



The V60 Cross Country has an EPA rating of 22 mpg city, 31 mpg highway and 25 mpg combined. During my evaluation period I averaged a reasonable 24 mpg. The Cross Country starts at $46,740 delivered and mine had an extra $10,000 in options. The front-drive V60 wagon starts at about $5,500 less. Unfortunately, you can only get AWD on the Polestar-engineered V60, so if you want that extra traction, you’ll have to go for the taller version. But if you do need some extra towing capability or ground clearance, or you just like to sit higher, the XC60 may be your better choice. That said, I’d still choose the Cross Country over the XC60 if I were spending my money because I have no need for those features.
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Old 12-26-2019, 09:10 AM   #55
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The standard V60 offers two engine options, both based on Volvo's 2.0-liter inline four-cylinder, the 254-hp turbocharged T5 or the 316-hp T6 which adds a supercharger to the mix.
When was this written? This is last years news. No V60s have the T6 anymore. That was only the '19 model. Everything else '20 and up is T5 (both V60 and V60 Cross Country).

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Old 12-27-2019, 05:34 AM   #56
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The American car buying populace (with the exception of automotive writers) largely disagrees with me. Nonetheless, one of my favorite cars that I drove in 2019 was a station wagon, the Volvo V60 Cross Country.


The standard V60 offers two engine options, both based on Volvo's 2.0-liter inline four-cylinder, the 254-hp turbocharged T5 or the 316-hp T6 which adds a supercharger to the mix. The Cross Country is only available with the T5 and frankly that's just fine. An eight-speed automatic transmission is the only gearbox available and it sends torque to all corners through a standard all-wheel-drive system.

Title should state 2019 Cross Country my error
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Old 12-27-2019, 08:31 AM   #57
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Avanti, the T6 was a 2019 option only. 2020, it's gone from the V60 lineup.

Also, for 2020, if you want AWD, you *have to* get the V60 CrossCountry. No longer available in the V60.

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Old 12-29-2019, 06:47 AM   #58
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kC I didn't say anything, It's a stupid Review from Forbes ( just posted), You asked when was it written, So I said 2019 like the guy said in article 2019. I just thought someone would like to read it, Thats why I didn't start a new thread. As far as engine crap, IN 2019 From Volvo Website

https://www.volvocars.com/za/cars/ne...specifications

Im not really well versed on Volvo at the moment, I wouldn't buy it for multiple reasons. That color interior along with the steering wheel ( looks like an old Ford left over from posted picture )is ugly too, not to mention the price. Throw in China Geely no Thanks
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Old 12-29-2019, 11:38 AM   #59
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The V60 has e-AWD option now. It's the T8 Polestar. If you want an AWD V60 it's pushing $70k.
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I am a fan of station wagons and I think for the vast majority of people that crossovers and smaller SUVs, they are a far better choice. The American car buying populace (with the exception of automotive writers) largely disagrees with me.
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The station wagon, which is effectively a sedan with an extended roofline and a tailgate, gives me all of that. A close second is the hatchback, which is what we currently have in the garage.
I like this writer. Telling it like it is.
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Old 12-30-2019, 04:44 AM   #61
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The V60 has e-AWD option now. It's the T8 Polestar. If you want an AWD V60 it's pushing $70k.

Speaking of polestar here is the Polestar 1K it’s a design study


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With the heritage and strength of Volvo and Geely to back it up, Polestar has a legitimate shot of establishing itself as a key player in the electric vehicle segment.

The company’s flagship model is the hybrid Polestar 1 and its most important vehicle is the Tesla Model 3-rivalling Polestar 2 EV. As you can probably tell, the vehicle presented here isn’t a real Polestar model and instead shows what one designed for the eventual Roborace championship could look like.

Created by designer Fabian Brees, the car features an extremely radical body yet is still identifiable as a Polestar. Most notably, the front-end of the racer, dubbed the 1K, features sharp LED headlights with daytime running lights with a similar design to the ‘Thor’s hammer’ used by Polestar and Volvo models.


As the concept has been designed for Roborace competition, it is devoid of a cabin and where you’d expect to find the interior is a glass-covered area showing some of the vehicle’s electrical systems.

The rear of the Polestar 1K is arguably the most radical element thanks to a massive diffuser and LED taillights that extend into the bodywork. There’s also a sticker at the rear reading ‘#DeathToAllHumans’. Evidently, Brees had some fun designing this futuristic race car.

The Roborace series has been crippled by delays, and when it does launch, human drivers will pilot the vehicles for the first half of each race before the self-driving systems take over for the second half. Formula E has become the latest proving ground for automakers entering the EV space and if Roborace proves successful, it could also attract car manufacturers looking to perfect their electric vehicle and autonomous technologies.





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Old 12-30-2019, 11:29 AM   #62
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I have never thought of Volvo as a premium brand. I've always placed it as occupying a mid-tier space, like something between VW and Audi. I see some of the prices for the cars discussed in here, and just don't get it. Also, a bit surprised, as I see a good number of Volvo's running around...
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I have never thought of Volvo as a premium brand. I've always placed it as occupying a mid-tier space, like something between VW and Audi. I see some of the prices for the cars discussed in here, and just don't get it. Also, a bit surprised, as I see a good number of Volvo's running around...
If you sit in a 2019+ Volvo they feel way more premium than an equivalently priced BMW, Jag etc.

My wife wants a Volvo to replace her 2012 Outback, but we don't really want to pay $40k for a new one to get trashed by the kids and Mass winters. We might pick up a used 2019 or 2020 in a couple years. Euro Delivery would be cool though.

The infusion of Chinese cash has really let Volvo jump into the high-stakes games - their pre-Geely models just didn't compete.
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If you sit in a 2019+ Volvo they feel way more premium than an equivalently priced BMW, Jag etc.

My wife wants a Volvo to replace her 2012 Outback, but we don't really want to pay $40k for a new one to get trashed by the kids and Mass winters. We might pick up a used 2019 or 2020 in a couple years. Euro Delivery would be cool though.

The infusion of Chinese cash has really let Volvo jump into the high-stakes games - their pre-Geely models just didn't compete.
they are fairly competitive until you mess with the infotainment. its like some sort of alibaba knock off special. didnt even bother with a test drive after seeing how terrible it was.
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they are fairly competitive until you mess with the infotainment. its like some sort of alibaba knock off special. didnt even bother with a test drive after seeing how terrible it was.
Which year/model? The new ones have faster processors to remove lag. Agreed, they didn't get the initial processor snappy enough.

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Which year/model? The new ones have faster processors to remove lag. Agreed, they didn't get the initial processor snappy enough.

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2019 xc40 t5 and 2019 s60 t6.
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they are fairly competitive until you mess with the infotainment. its like some sort of alibaba knock off special. didnt even bother with a test drive after seeing how terrible it was.
I had the same opinion after looking at an S90.
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they are fairly competitive until you mess with the infotainment. its like some sort of alibaba knock off special. didnt even bother with a test drive after seeing how terrible it was.
Seen reviews say its slow, but they said it doesn't matter if you just use Carplay.

At least they don't charge a fee for Carplay like BMW.
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Which year/model? The new ones have faster processors to remove lag. Agreed, they didn't get the initial processor snappy enough.

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i definitely think for many reasons you should wait on Volvos, don't buy last gen, and don't buy first year of the new gens.
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