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Old 07-14-2018, 07:05 AM   #1
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Design boss Alfonso Albaisa admits electrification could be key to securing title

Nissan is in the very early phases of designing and engineering an all-new platform for the next-generation GT-R — but has still to decide how much electrification the car’s powertrain will adopt.

Talking exclusively to Autocar at the Goodwood Festival of Speed, Nissan design boss Alfonso Albaisa said the car won’t take cues from the limited-run GT-R50 special edition on show this weekend, but “has to be its own special car”. He said it has to be “the fastest super sports car in the world” and retain a visual identity that's unique among cars of its kind.

Although he’s constantly reviewing sketches for the car, Albaisa said his team can’t begin serious work until decisions are made about the powertrain and the new platform is finalised.

“The challenge is on the engineer, to be honest,” he said. “We will do our jobs when the time comes to make the car something really special. But we’re not even close to that yet.”

That suggests the new GT-R is still several years from production readiness, meaning it’s likely to arrive early in the next decade.

Albaisa said that while Nissan was undecided on the powertrain, he admitted that electrification was likely, albeit not confirmed.

Whether we go to a lot of electrification or none at all, we can achieve a lot power wise,” he said. “But we are definitely making a new ‘platform’ and our goal is clear: GT-R has to be the quickest car of its kind. It has to ‘own’ the track. And it has to play the advanced technology game; but that doesn’t mean it has to be electric.”

The electrified powertrain of Nissan’s stillborn hybrid LMP1 GT-R racing car, which was developed for the 2016 World Endurance Championship but never raced, could provide a glimpse of what’s to come. That car used a twin-turbocharged 3.0-litre V6 engine and hybrid electric system; Nissan pulled the plug on the project before the race.

If a similar system were used in the next GT-R, the boost of torque should ensure that, despite a loss of around 800cc in engine capacity compared with the current GT-R, the overall output could make it the most potent version of the super coupé family to have made production.

The current car produces 562bhp in standard form, suggesting significantly more than 600bhp is possible in the next car.

“We simply have to reflect people’s dreams; and I think people dream that the next GT-R will be the hottest super sports car in the world,” said Albaisa.

He said that the next car would have a muscular character like the R35 in order to retain the GT-R “beast”, adding: “It’s an animal; it has to be imposing and excessive. Not in terms of its wings, but rather its visual mass, its presence and its audacity.

“It doesn’t care what every other supercar in the world is doing; it simply says: ‘I’m a GT-R, I’m a brick, catch me.’ It’s the world’s fastest brick, really. And when I review sketches for the new car, I say that a lot: “Less wing, more brick.'”
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Old 07-14-2018, 11:32 AM   #2
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As soon as I would say they won't be able to do it, I realize that after what they were able to achieve with the R35, it isn't wise to doubt them.
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I love the R35, driven 3 and two of them were modded, and one of those was really f’in modded. But “electrification” sours me. If I wanted that I’d just go out and buy a Tesla P/D. No interest but best of luck to them. Not interested in a new NSX challenger. I see the current NSX as a complete sophistication cluster F that I would never want to own even if I could afford it. I’d take GT3RS over it any day or just a GT3. I don’t care if a dsg or whatever is quicker either, I still want to shift the g damn thing myself and I mean foot pedal and lever. How about, Nissan, build a R34 successor. AWD, twin turbo inline 6, forge the motor, and work on weight reduction as best you can with current safety regs, and make it as small as you can. Godzilla stomped around and killed stuff, and he didn’t have a battery pack.
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I love the R35, driven 3 and two of them were modded, and one of those was really f’in modded. But “electrification” sours me. If I wanted that I’d just go out and buy a Tesla P/D. No interest but best of luck to them. Not interested in a new NSX challenger. I see the current NSX as a complete sophistication cluster F that I would never want to own even if I could afford it. I’d take GT3RS over it any day or just a GT3. I don’t care if a dsg or whatever is quicker either, I still want to shift the g damn thing myself and I mean foot pedal and lever. How about, Nissan, build a R34 successor. AWD, twin turbo inline 6, forge the motor, and work on weight reduction as best you can with current safety regs, and make it as small as you can. Godzilla stomped around and killed stuff, and he didn’t have a battery pack.
Completely agree with all of this. I have always thought thr R35 GTR looked ugly lan didn’t excite me. Fun as **** to drive but I’d personally rather buy a slower car at the same price that’s less electronic driven.
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I don’t care if a dsg or whatever is quicker either, I still want to shift the g damn thing myself and I mean foot pedal and lever. How about, Nissan, build a R34 successor. AWD, twin turbo inline 6, forge the motor, and work on weight reduction as best you can with current safety regs, and make it as small as you can.
That sounds great, but the conundrum is that you want them to build a '90s car. It's not that simple, when factoring in the logistics of production and regulations. "As best you can" isn't going to yield anything close to what you described, at least not with the majority of those characteristics you listed.

The GT-R is great and all, and while it's gotten faster and faster through the years, it's just not as earth-shattering as it used to be, especially considering how it's gone from being a $70k car to now a $100k car. This car is getting really long in the tooth and its chassis been around for over a decade now, to the point where its age is reminiscent of the old NSX during its lifespan (though at least Nissan threw on a bunch of extra horsepower at the GT-R over the years). I don't expect the next generation to start at any less than $110k whenever it comes out, and I'm not sure what they can do to it to really make a statement with the next one since it's not magically going to lose 500 pounds or be a lot more affordable than before or get 30 mpg.

Its territory has just changed so much. Remember when the GT-R was new and Porsche was claiming that its 7:38 Nurburgring time was BS because it didn't seem logical and they even had one of their own drivers take one around and could only manage something like 7:50? Then Nissan put the set of wheels/tires from that lap on display, released the in-car footage of the lap and offered to give Porsche's driver lessons on how to drive the car? Now nobody is really worried about it.
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Looks like the Master Race car builders in Germany have a dual challenge. Possibility GT-R will beat the 911 at the Ring like last time and be a better bargain once again. Who will get new import taxes of 20% or more ? More likely Germany
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Glad to see Nissan not caring about the "it's a computer on wheels" stereotype of the current GT-R. Because this will only add to it.

I'm sure they'll build something that will be insanely fast. But likely not on track. Electrification and race tracks don't seem to get along, yet.

That said I don't see them beating Porsche at the 'Ring. Have you seen the GT2RS? No electrification there. And it beat the 981 Spyder's time. I'm sure Porsche is just getting started, too.
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All Nissan has to do is knock 500 to 800 lbs off current car. At almost 4,000 lbs should be able to do that without too much trouble.
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That sounds great, but the conundrum is that you want them to build a '90s car. It's not that simple, when factoring in the logistics of production and regulations. "As best you can" isn't going to yield anything close to what you described, at least not with the majority of those characteristics you listed.
Incorrect, I don’t want them to build a 90’s car. I want them to make a simpler car. Mazda is doing it, as is Toyo and Subaru. Nissan with all its’ prowess could do the same, but they won’t. Batteries will just make it heavier. The NSX is 3800 lbs, as is the R35. Maybe they’ll break 4000 lbs with this new one
The NSX should be used as a reference point too. Japanese, all wheel drive, hybrid. They were discounting them tens of thousands of dollars to sell them last I checked. Turns out many enthusiasts didn’t want an over complicated mess of a car that weighs that much.

It’s irrelevant anyways, because everyone is going to hybrid all the things. The days of a pure mechanical car are going the way of the dodo. They are all migrating to over complicated designs and the price will reflect that. MSRP’s are already going higher and higher very year. Battery packs, more driving nannies, all lead to higher consumer costs. Experts are saying when, not if, the automotive loan market is going to burst or pop. Won’t be like 2008 on homes but will have some real negative consequences. Years from now we’ll look back and see exactly when they over complicated everything. I see one thing happening, there are going to be some current models that retain their value exceedingly well. What a mess.
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^^No one wants simpler - people are stupid, lazy, and insecure - God forbid a different car has a better 0-60 time or more useless gadgets. Clevon has taken over! This will be the penis extension of choice for a particular pool of lucky (to have money) Clevons.

I have a Jag loaner right now - what a ****box - 99% of cars under ~100K drive the same now. Leaf or Corolla is the way to go - and if you're spending money, you have to look backwards in time to get the most enjoyment.
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They are stupid, lazy, and insecure. They’re also complete idiots falling for every marketing tactic there is out there. Convince them they need it. Sell you a new product. Create a problem that doesn't exist to sell you a solution you don't need.
The funniest thing this year as an example of this are the Apple earpod things. The white wireless things. They look absolutely ridiculous. People here sport them at the gym like they are doing it man. I’m just waiting for barcode tattoos on them all, and wearable cameras that interface with their phone. That way they can record 24/7 for their vlog/you-boob/followers, etc.

The older I get the less products I want, the less I spend. It’s run amuck. That next product won’t fill the void in ya, neither will that new car where you traded in the exact same thing to get the slightly newer thing with one extra gadget.
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‘I’m a GT-R, I’m a brick, catch me.’ It’s the world’s fastest brick, really.
If it's the world's fastest brick, I can't wait to see how many of these will go through windows, and how many people are smrt enough to try to catch them.
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So much yawn. Why does Nissan need to do this? Just compete in the STI/RS/R/CTR realm. Affordable. Attainable. There are so many of these over-the-top cars, it can't be an overly profitable venture for them. As stated by others, build a modern R34.


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They are stupid, lazy, and insecure. They’re also complete idiots falling for every marketing tactic there is out there. Convince them they need it. Sell you a new product. Create a problem that doesn't exist to sell you a solution you don't need.
The funniest thing this year as an example of this are the Apple earpod things. The white wireless things. They look absolutely ridiculous. People here sport them at the gym like they are doing it man. I’m just waiting for barcode tattoos on them all, and wearable cameras that interface with their phone. That way they can record 24/7 for their vlog/you-boob/followers, etc.

The older I get the less products I want, the less I spend. It’s run amuck. That next product won’t fill the void in ya, neither will that new car where you traded in the exact same thing to get the slightly newer thing with one extra gadget.
The bold statement is very true, but that's the definition of consumerism. The real way to unplug from it is to get yourself away from commercials. Marketing is researched based and they know how to pull at the heart strings. Car commercials are the epitome of this... somehow buying that new Subaru is going to turn you into a camping, kayaking, surfing machine that everyone wants to be with... 35K later you still suck.

The wireless headphone statement you have, I cannot agree with. I recently switched to wireless headsets for certain activities because I'm sick and tired of ripping headphones out of my ears when the cable gets caught on crap. 99% of the time I'm wired, but working out, mowing the lawn, etc. wireless. Not the trendy apple ones because I don't apple, but still.
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The wireless headphone statement you have, I cannot agree with. I recently switched to wireless headsets for certain activities because I'm sick and tired of ripping headphones out of my ears when the cable gets caught on crap. 99% of the time I'm wired, but working out, mowing the lawn, etc. wireless. Not the trendy apple ones because I don't apple, but still.
Well if you can read you will see the Apple ones were the ones I was specifically mentioning, not others. I didn’t condemn wireless only these stupid looking Apple versions.
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Well if you can read you will see the Apple ones were the ones I was specifically mentioning, not others. I didn’t condemn wireless only these stupid looking Apple versions.
So you're just attacking people's stylistic choices on the type of wireless headset that they chose. Duly noted.
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With a statement like that, I cannot wait to see what Nissan releases . . . in 2029.
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So you're just attacking people's stylistic choices on the type of wireless headset that they chose. Duly noted.
Attacking? I’m calling a consumer product stupid and idiotic looking. This isn’t Starfleet.
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Well if you can read you will see the Apple ones were the ones I was specifically mentioning, not others. I didn’t condemn wireless only these stupid looking Apple versions.
AirPods are considered the best or amongst the best wireless earphones. Sound quality matters more than style to a lot of people.
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AirPods are considered the best or amongst the best wireless earphones. Sound quality matters more than style to a lot of people.
If sound quality is numero uno they bought the wrong deal either way. Get some Sennheisers instead, or Shures. Apple’s W1 chip is offered in better pods than the white starfleets
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Not to derail, but what are the best wireless? I have the Jaybird ones and some over ear Bowers and Wilkins - can I get over ear quality in any wireless bud? I too hate Apple and all the Tesla drivers that wear them LOL
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Hahahahahahahaha.
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Incorrect, I don’t want them to build a 90’s car. I want them to make a simpler car. Mazda is doing it, as is Toyo and Subaru. Nissan with all its’ prowess could do the same, but they won’t. Batteries will just make it heavier. The NSX is 3800 lbs, as is the R35. Maybe they’ll break 4000 lbs with this new one
But the problem is that the GT-R was never a "simpler" car, and you weren't describing a simpler car either, aside from talking about a manual transmission. Twin-turbo I-6 isn't really that much simpler than a twin-turbo V-6 (if at all) unless you mean that you want the RB26 again (which isn't going to happen). Weight reduction and making the car smaller isn't necessarily making it simpler either.

Contrasting to that, your examples about Mazda, Toyota and Subaru doing it don't quite match up since the "simpler" cars that they are making have always been simple, straight-forward FR cars, assuming you are talking about the Miata and 86 twins (which are not really competing for a demographic overly concerned with stats or breaking records). That might be more relevant toward a proper Z car though (which has generally been a bit on the heavy side and never really that fast compared to other cars you can get for the same money), not so much the GT-R.
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