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12-13-2018, 05:24 PM | #351 |
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People realized if their daily driven supercar were to be hit by a shopping cart it would cost $5k to fix and take a few months to get the part.
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12-14-2018, 05:52 PM | #352 |
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The rise of the Yen hurt all of the 90's Japanese sports cars. The NSX started off as a $60k car when it first came out and by the end was near $100k for essentially the same car.
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12-15-2018, 11:51 AM | #353 |
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12-29-2018, 08:04 AM | #354 | |
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It's not Toyota that are building the hype train for this car, its a bunch of mouthbreathing idiot fanbois that worship(suck) at the altar(dick) of the character of Jeremy Clarkson. |
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12-29-2018, 01:06 PM | #355 |
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You mean it shared the parts bin with the other rear wheel drive, all aluminum, rear engine, two seater, DOHC V6 Honda/Acura car?
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12-29-2018, 02:29 PM | #356 | |
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I think the car is going to look rather good and have a solid drive feel but the cost is just way to high when factoring in what else is out there in the same price range. Now, if this had 400-450hp out of the box with headroom for a safe and reliable 500-550hp with tune, then I could see it as viable with the BMW equivalent making 500hp stock. Hell, you could find some low mileage BRZ / FRS with a 6 speed and build it to the moon for much less than the upcoming Supra and have money left over. |
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12-29-2018, 02:31 PM | #357 |
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The NSX truly was just a Legend in the making.
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12-29-2018, 04:34 PM | #358 |
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12-29-2018, 04:35 PM | #359 | |
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12-29-2018, 11:41 PM | #360 |
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12-30-2018, 09:25 AM | #361 | |
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12-30-2018, 10:18 AM | #362 | |
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But I agree it won't sell at $60k, since the people with that kind of money to blow on a 2 seater will want badges. They'll buy a BMW, Audi or Porsche. |
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12-30-2018, 02:20 PM | #363 | |
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I just don’t see this car having solid sales mid to long term. Yes, I know there is more to a car than just horsepower but for $60k, I’d expect more. I could see this car starting at $60k if it was badged as BMW making 380-400hp. |
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12-30-2018, 08:12 PM | #364 | |
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Preview drives say it's between a Cayman and 911 in feel, if true that'll appeal to some, but I really think only badges sell when you go up past $60k. What will be really interesting is in a year or two when we're in a recession and the stock market is half what it is today, how are companies going to sell dozens of models of bubble-priced sports cars? You'll see some real bargains. |
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12-30-2018, 08:30 PM | #365 |
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12-31-2018, 09:22 AM | #366 |
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12-31-2018, 09:36 AM | #367 |
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I don't know if I can wait for the GTV. I'd prefer a wagon, next a sedan. I like having multiple doors. And it will be a few years after that when the leases start showing up in the secondary market anyways. Say it comes 2020. Then you're not going to see them used (read: attainable) until 2022. The Quadrifoglios are now used in the mid 50s (new 75-80). Huge depreciation hit.
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12-31-2018, 10:13 AM | #368 |
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12-31-2018, 10:31 AM | #369 |
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Looked better in camo. I’ve never been a huge Supra fan in the first place and this isn’t helping.
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12-31-2018, 10:45 AM | #370 | |
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But it sure is beautiful in coupe form. |
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12-31-2018, 11:42 AM | #371 | |
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To me, badging doesn't matter and performance carries more of a price tag to me. That being said, I still think a lot of people are going to have a hard time paying $60k base for 340hp Toyota. I could always be wrong but $60k isn't cheap and I think those buyers would want more for their dollar. While majority might not be comparing this to a Jag Type R CPO, I think there will be a lot fo people asking why not a CPO M3/M4? Wow, that looks like confused pile o turd to me. Front end reminds me of BRZ/FRS just slight updated, and the rear is so short that it looks like a fancier Z4M rear. Basically a Z4M and BRZ had a love child, this would be it. Maybe its just the angle but I just cant. I was hoping for more of something like this. |
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12-31-2018, 11:50 AM | #372 |
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12-31-2018, 04:19 PM | #373 |
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The “back in the day” argument doesn’t really hold water. Tech has changed, some materials are cheaper, more competition etc. $40k base seems expensive to me and I can see options getting this car to $55-$60k damn quick. $45k loaded, sure. I can dig that but we know that won’t happen.
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12-31-2018, 04:39 PM | #374 | |
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12-31-2018, 05:40 PM | #375 |
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$40k for what will be a barebones model, ****ty seats, and probably ****ty brakes with a crap diff (guessing). That 4 banger damn well better have some room left in the engine for more power and not have little issues like most BMW engines.
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