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06-13-2008, 11:19 PM | #1 |
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LA area E-85 tune
I am very seriously considering a switch to E-85 and wanted to know if anyone had suggestions for a tuner that has experience with E-85 tunes. Open Source or AP 1 is what I gots now. I was looking for the LA area but don't mind a short drive.
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06-13-2008, 11:29 PM | #2 |
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are there any other mods needed to make the switch? new lines, seals and such?
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06-14-2008, 12:08 AM | #3 |
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From what I understand for a %100 E-85 switch: fuel pump (maybe), larger injectors and a tune.
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06-14-2008, 12:16 AM | #4 |
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sounds like a plan....
now to find place with E85... what's the cost like on e85... maybe I'm not looking but I don't see any pumps around me with it??! |
06-14-2008, 12:56 AM | #5 |
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Order a 50 gal. drum..not very many dealers in socal
http://e85vehicles.com/e85-california.htm I believe tim bailey can tune for it but dont quote me on it |
06-14-2008, 05:26 AM | #6 | ||
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Hopefully your supply availability will improve soon. We are adding almost 1000 stations a year nation wide right now. Larry |
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06-14-2008, 08:56 AM | #7 | |
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http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/ |
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06-14-2008, 10:11 PM | #8 | |
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It makes consistently more power so you are totally wrong! E85 BTU adjusted price is a public relations scam to deceive the gullible public and to protect big oils interests. It has been common knowledge for 10 years that the entire concept is bogus but the public relations morons keep trotting it out because they are technologically illiterate.E85 BTU adjusted price is one of the most idiotic concepts every foisted on the consumer, you can take it as a sign that any web page that pushes that concept is either incompetent or in big oils pocket. Fuel economy does not track with fuel energy per gallon it tracks with engine efficiency. Since E85 is a superior fuel it produces more useful work per BTU of available fuel energy. These are the numbers from my first E85 conversion on the stock turbo. As you can see there is very little lost in miles per gallon and a definite gain in absolute fuel efficiency (ie miles/BTU). In states where the public is getting a fair price for E85 (ie not getting gouged) it saves the driver a considerable amount of money. Old setup stock turbo - gasoline milage Gasoline 125,000 Btu/ gallon / 24mpg = 5208 BTU/mile My old setup, @ 92% of gasoline milage or 22 mpg E85 90,500 BTU/gallon/22 = 4114 BTU/mile E85 uses 78% of fuel energy to travel a mile compared to gasoline. Now it the OEM manufactures would just produce a FFV that is half as efficient as back yard tuners can produce in a couple hours, we could actually get some where with it. Larry |
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06-15-2008, 06:03 AM | #9 | |
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Cross country trips may be an issue, but I am assuming I can just load a different map if I have to fill up with 91 sometime. Now I just need to dig deeper into hotrod's thread and see if any local peeps posted tuning stuff |
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06-15-2008, 08:58 AM | #10 | |
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Regular Mid Premium Diesel E85 **E85 MPG/BTU adjusted price Current Avg. $4.077 $4.329 $4.484 $4.797 $3.560 $4.685 **The BTU-adjusted price of E-85 is the nationwide average price of E-85 adjusted to reflect the lower energy content as expressed in British Thermal Units - and hence miles per gallon - available in a gallon of E-85 as compared to the same volume of conventional gasoline. The BTU-adjusted price calculated by OPIS and AAA is not an actual retail average price paid by consumers. It is calculated and displayed as part of AAA's Fuel Gauge Report because according to the Energy Information Administration E-85 delivers approximately 25 percent fewer BTUs by volume than conventional gasoline. Because "flexible fuel" vehicles can operate on conventional fuel and E-85,the BTU-adjusted price of E-85 is essential to understanding the cost implications of each fuel choice for consumers. |
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06-15-2008, 12:03 PM | #11 |
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Also, studies show e85 is not better for the enviornment.
"ScienceDaily (Apr. 18, 2007) — Ethanol is widely touted as an eco-friendly, clean-burning fuel. But if every vehicle in the United States ran on fuel made primarily from ethanol instead of pure gasoline, the number of respiratory-related deaths and hospitalizations likely would increase, according to a new study by Stanford University atmospheric scientist Mark Z. Jacobson. His findings are published in the April 18 online edition of the journal Environmental Science & Technology (ES&T)." http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0418072616.htm Not to mention the fertilizers and pesticides, and the amount of fresh water that is need to produce this product. For the most part E85 is a mistake. It is not the solution to the fuel crisis. Anyway, Scott Barber (who tunes Evo's at Harmonmotive), tunes for e85. < to answer the OP. lol |
06-15-2008, 02:27 PM | #12 | |||
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My current fuel cost for E85 is $2.99/gallon, I get about 19 mpg in daily driving on it right now. That means it costs me 15.7 cents a mile to use E85. If I used pump premium, it would cost me $4.15 a gallon and I would get 22 mpg on gasoline. That means it would cost me 18.86 cents a mile. Gasoline costs me 20% more per mile than E85! As you mentioned that BTU adjusted price is a computed value that has nothing at all to do with E85's true cost to the consumer or its efficiency, it is a derived number based on false assumptions. The major false assumption is in this statement: Quote:
Again another of your statements clearly show you have no clue about this issue. Quote:
You might want to look at real world E85 prices in comparison to regular gasoline and you will see in many areas of the country the price spread is large enough that E85 users are saving hundreds of dollars a year on fuel. http://www.e85prices.com/ Larry Last edited by hotrod; 06-15-2008 at 08:32 PM. |
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06-15-2008, 05:10 PM | #13 |
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I realize it's not Subarus but RRE does E85 tunes for EVOs and they have a quite a bit of real world data in their E85 Stages thread...
http://www.socalevo.net/forum/index.php?topic=54164.0 |
06-18-2008, 12:46 AM | #14 |
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Sweet, thanks for the link JC.
Greargrinder, thanks for the heads up on the tuner. |
06-18-2008, 03:31 AM | #15 |
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my 2008 STi on 91 = 308bhp
2008 STi running the E85 setup = ???bhp? |
06-18-2008, 05:29 AM | #16 |
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06-18-2008, 09:43 AM | #17 |
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