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Old 11-06-2019, 11:33 AM   #1451
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Looks like dealers are getting them now. Cars
Com even shows some with discount pricing but who knows how true that is.
probably the "get you in the door then apologize for the dimwit running the website price", noting the disclaimer at the bottom of the page that prices are not final, subject to change, blah blah.

I feel like a lot of these are going to be bought up by subaru performance tuning shops. Something to show off at shows, get people to come to their booth to sell products. They'll get flipped on the used market in 3 years when the next "new hotness" arrives.
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Old 11-06-2019, 11:58 AM   #1452
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Dave @ Six Star Service & Fabrication picked up his S209 yesterday (#28)..

He plans to dyno it today as he feels Subaru may have underrated it.
He paid MSRP with no markup.
Yeah but Georgia gets 93 premium. I wanna see what this tune is like on 91 Cali tree hugger piss.
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Old 11-06-2019, 01:06 PM   #1453
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Yeah but Georgia gets 93 premium. I wanna see what this tune is like on 91 Cali tree hugger piss.
Obviously the intercooler spray will fix that.

Oh wait.. it only sprays on top of the intercooler, not inside like WMI

It may do a bit better on 91 if they opened up the hotside of the HKS turbo more. Of course, an equal length header would have helped.
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Old 11-06-2019, 01:15 PM   #1454
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I got a laugh out of that, nice to see the CTR is hanging in there.
I look forward to the CTR vs S209 track comparisons. I think the CTR will hold its own versus the $65k S209. It's done pretty well against the Supra even.
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Old 11-06-2019, 01:33 PM   #1455
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I'm impressed how Subaru managed to get 15mpg city certification. Thats e92 m3, ISF and the Coyote Mustang with out any of the power.
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Old 11-06-2019, 01:41 PM   #1456
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Pretty sure the S209 is carbureted.
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Old 11-06-2019, 01:45 PM   #1457
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I'm becoming a big fan of the silver wheels with the blue...
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Old 11-06-2019, 02:09 PM   #1458
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Yeah but Georgia gets 93 premium. I wanna see what this tune is like on 91 Cali tree hugger piss.
Exactly ! But, the 93 AKI data point will be interesting. Let's see.
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Old 11-06-2019, 06:10 PM   #1459
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They posted the results. I have a hard time believing the S209 makes nearly 60 whp more than a Type RA/19+ STI. The Type RA numbers seem a bit low.

It shows that the torque comes on 500+ RPM later with the larger HKS turbo. It clearly doesn't make peak torque at 3,600 rpm like Subaru claims.. more like 4,700 rpm.

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S209 vs Type RA:


S209 vs '18 STI


Took the time today to put my Sti S209 on the dyno today and see where it lines up against the other Sti variants.

After 3 third gear pulls, the numbers were:
313whp/293wtq
312whp/286wtq
308whp/292wtq

Immediately after, rescaled for fourth gear to do 3 more pulls and the numbers were:
297whp/305wtq
284whp/298wtq
269whp/272wtq

During the final 4th gear pull, you can tell based on the graph that the ecu pulled power in the upper RPM range.

Since we also have had a stock 2018 Sti and Sti Type RA on the dyno, here is how they stack up:
Best numbers out of the 3 third gear pulls on each

Sti S209: 313whp/293wtq
Sti Type RA: 257whp/284wtq
2018 Sti: 252whp/256wtq

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Old 11-06-2019, 06:25 PM   #1460
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Big flat at 3500.
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Old 11-06-2019, 06:35 PM   #1461
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Good numbers but no forged internals, no care.
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Old 11-06-2019, 07:17 PM   #1462
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Power figures make sense; torque curve is shifted to the right compared to Type RA.
Type RA torque output tapers off starting at 4.6K; that's where S209 torques picks up and stays on to around 5.6K.
There's about 60 ft.lbs difference at 5.6K between the two; that's huge.
I'm assuming that was on 93 gas; but the torque/power gap should mostly be the same with both cars on 91.
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Old 11-06-2019, 07:28 PM   #1463
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They posted the results. I have a hard time believing the S209 makes nearly 60 whp more than a Type RA/19+ STI. The Type RA numbers seem a bit low.
Pretty sure those numbers are way off. I know I have seen baseline dyno pulls that show the Type RA making significantly more power. The stock dyno graphs were being compared to Cobb off the shelf stage 1 tunes. They posted a dyno graph showing a Type RA putting down 280whp before they tuned it in which they got a very minor improvement in top end and instead got significantly more power and torque across the rpm range.

Went to COBB's Type RA page and found it. https://www.cobbtuning.com/maps/2018...ra-stage-1-map

If you notice on the page the Type RA tunes are shared with the 2019 STi. The new OEM tune is greatly improved over previous iterations and shows with how small the peak horsepower gains are.

I have no idea how a Type RA in the graph you posted did so poorly unless it was gimped with some piss poor gas like 91 octane or worse. Then again some of us could have freaks that put down more power than others. my highest recorded peak boost on the car was 18.6 psi during an on ramp pull in 70 deg weather.

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Old 11-06-2019, 07:46 PM   #1464
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Pretty sure those numbers are way off. I know I have seen baseline dyno pulls that show the Type RA making significantly more power. The stock dyno graphs were being compared to Cobb off the shelf stage 1 tunes. They posted a dyno graph showing a Type RA putting down 280whp before they tuned it in which they got a very minor improvement in top end and instead got significantly more power and torque across the rpm range.

Went to COBB's Type RA page and found it. https://www.cobbtuning.com/maps/2018...ra-stage-1-map

If you notice on the page the Type RA tunes are shared with the 2019 STi. The new OEM tune is greatly improved over previous iterations and shows with how small the peak horsepower gains are.

I have no idea how a Type RA in the graph you posted did so poorly unless it was gimped with some piss poor gas like 91 octane or worse. Then again some of us could have freaks that put down more power than others. my highest recorded peak boost on the car was 18.6 psi during an on ramp pull in 70 deg weather.
I agree, I've seen quite a few Type RA/'19 STI dynos in the 280 whp range.
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Old 11-06-2019, 07:49 PM   #1465
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Well if they were done back to back to back, it's not the reading it's the outright difference in power that matters. All the gearing is the same between the 3 correct?
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Old 11-06-2019, 08:07 PM   #1466
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I am not a fan of dealers selling limited run cars before they even hit the lot.

I am bummed i missed the opportunity to see it up close, the owner picked it up yesterday. I was planning on copying down the vin for easier part number location lol

My guy in the parts department knows im interested in picking up all the suspension bits minus the struts and springs. He is looking up all the prices for me. Fun fact though, the dealer has to call STi to order the part. Which might mean they may only sell them to people with a valid S209 vin but guess we will wait and see.
Has anyone done any research to see if we can just order the parts or need to be an owner or have the VIN?

Did you guys talk to your dealers?

Interested in some parts...
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Old 11-06-2019, 08:15 PM   #1467
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Well if they were done back to back to back, it's not the reading it's the outright difference in power that matters. All the gearing is the same between the 3 correct?
They weren't back to back. Just the same dyno.
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Old 11-06-2019, 08:15 PM   #1468
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Has anyone done any research to see if we can just order the parts or need to be an owner or have the VIN?

Did you guys talk to your dealers?

Interested in some parts...
You can just order them. I already spoke to my dealer about it.
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Old 11-06-2019, 11:03 PM   #1469
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Good numbers but no forged internals, no care.
Yeah usdm got robbed. The numbers are not impressive to me given the cost. My 2008 STi made 300/350 with a down pipe, intake and CBE. And I paid $30.5k new for the car. We then de-tuned it to give me some “safe space” down to 291/341. I don’t get this car and it doesn’t really matter anyways. Bring on the new 2.4L STI please, hopefully in a different body style than a sedan.
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Old 11-07-2019, 10:33 AM   #1470
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It looks like Cobb may be planning a new intake similar to the S209's conical design.

From SEMA:



It would sure beat the $1500 or so for the S209 intake.

S209 intake:



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Old 11-07-2019, 11:16 AM   #1471
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Finally! A Cobb intake I like.

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Old 11-07-2019, 11:58 AM   #1472
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I am probably showing my age but the whole back end of this car looks like it was taken from a Fast And Furious movie. The vents. The pink stripe. The giant bolted on wing. For $65-70K+ there are just so many other options I can think of in terms of looks, power, handling, etc. I know it's a four door AWD useable sedan but.. Just does nothing for me.
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Old 11-07-2019, 12:11 PM   #1473
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I am probably showing my age but the whole back end of this car looks like it was taken from a Fast And Furious movie. The vents. The pink stripe. The giant bolted on wing. For $65-70K+ there are just so many other options I can think of in terms of looks, power, handling, etc. I know it's a four door AWD useable sedan but.. Just does nothing for me.
I'm also not a fan of the bolted on fender flare look. It looks cheap.
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Old 11-07-2019, 12:12 PM   #1474
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It's no different than the Type RA.

The S201 is by far the worst looking of the S models.
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Old 11-07-2019, 12:46 PM   #1475
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They should have done a much wider body kit if your going all out with vents and wings. Make is special. The back half of the car looks like a normal Subaru and the additional S add-ons look like an afterthought and it doesn't flow right with the car.

A guy at work has a no wing 2015+ STI and I think it actually looks the best for this generation.
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