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Old 06-12-2020, 03:10 PM   #2476
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I detailed cars for a living in college...

The level of panel alignment on those non-tesla cars highly suggests a repair. That's poor respray, sub par panel alignment, etc. And there is likely evidence all over. Any time we got a car in that had a repair, we could find clear evidence in panel gaps paint runs, overspray, tape lines, etc. All of those cars scream accident and I'd walk away.
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Old 06-12-2020, 03:39 PM   #2477
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The level of panel alignment on those non-tesla cars highly suggests a repair. That's poor respray, sub par panel alignment, etc. And there is likely evidence all over. Any time we got a car in that had a repair, we could find clear evidence in panel gaps paint runs, overspray, tape lines, etc. All of those cars scream accident and I'd walk away.
They are all supposedly brand new cars loacated at their respective dealerships and with the window sticker . I took all those pictures myself when everything was closed because of Rona.
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Old 06-12-2020, 07:21 PM   #2478
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They are all supposedly brand new cars loacated at their respective dealerships and with the window sticker . I took all those pictures myself when everything was closed because of Rona.
Yes they are brand new in that they have not been purchased or driven but they have been repaired. There's no way clear coat runs like the one in one of those photographs would have made it out of any manufacturing facility even Tesla as QA would have spotted something obvious like that. New vehicles get damaged a lot in freight which is why there are laws set out for manufacturers to follow.

https://www.autoblog.com/2015/12/06/...damage-repair/
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Old 06-12-2020, 08:29 PM   #2479
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Yes they are brand new in that they have not been purchased or driven but they have been repaired. There's no way clear coat runs like the one in one of those photographs would have made it out of any manufacturing facility even Tesla as QA would have spotted something obvious like that. New vehicles get damaged a lot in freight which is why there are laws set out for manufacturers to follow.

https://www.autoblog.com/2015/12/06/...damage-repair/
Yeah that could be but what are the chances that all of the cars that I took pictures of were in transport accidents ? Is not like I had to look hard for defects; these were the first cars that I walked to when I arrived to their respective dealerships. That's all I am saying.
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Old 06-17-2020, 09:31 AM   #2480
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The title is click bait worthy, but the lap time at button willow is damn respectable.

Tesla Model Y Performance achieves supercar time on racetrack

https://electrek.co/2020/06/16/tesla...ime-racetrack/

[video=youtube;56ipAp3LS8I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56ipAp3LS8I[/video]
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Old 06-17-2020, 09:56 AM   #2481
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Unplugged Performance listed all the upgrades made to their Model Y:

Prototype Unplugged Performance coilovers Prototype
Unplugged Performance sway bars
Unplugged Performance rear adjustable camber arms
Unplugged Performance 6 piston carbon ceramic big brake kit
Unplugged Performance rear brake pads
Unplugged Performance forged UP-03 19×10.5 race spec wheels with 305/30ZR19 Nitto NT01 tires

I'm less impressed after reading the mod list, I'd like to see what a stock one can do though, I'm sure it's pretty quick, but not 305 section width R-compound quick.

A model 3P with interior and "street tires" lapped it at 1:58.x, 1:54.x with gutted interior; I wonder how much quicker a model 3 could get with similar upgrades.

Between the model 3 and model Y, the Y is the one I'd prefer though because of the hatch, it would immediately get lowered because I don't care for unnecessary ride height (assuming reasonably priced parts were available), but is it worth the $5k+/- up-charge over the 3 when trimmed the same? I don't think so.
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It's impressed me what Tesla and Porsche can put down on a track especially considering how large the vehicles are. With that being said, I become unimpressed when I remember how many electric nannies are on the car removing a decent amount of drive skill needed and putting it more on the nannies implemented. The lack of paddle shift or manual also boner kills it for me when talking about track numbers and performance.

There's a pretty fun Facebook posting on elektrik or however they spell it comparing the size difference between the Porsche Taycan and the Tesla Roadster. Like, no **** a 2 door coupe will be smaller than a 4 door saloon. I don't understand the comparison of the roadster to the Taycan. Seems that the fair comparison remains P100D vs Taycan
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It’s impressed me what Tesla and Porsche can put down on a track especially considering how large the vehicles are. With that being said, I become unimpressed when I remember how many electric nannies are on the car removing a decent amount of drive skill needed and putting it more on the nannies implemented. The lack of paddle shift or manual also boner kills it for me when talking about track numbers and performance.

There’s a pretty fun Facebook posting on elektrik or however they spell it comparing the size difference between the Porsche Taycan and the Tesla Roadster. Like, no **** a 2 door coupe will be smaller than a 4 door saloon. I don’t understand the comparison of the roadster to the Taycan. Seems that the fair comparison remains P100D vs Taycan
The comparison between the Taycan and the Roadster is made because they are the same price, seat 4 people, and they are/will be sold as track performance oriented machines. The current Model S was not designed with road track performance in mind and cost 100k less. When the Model S Plaid comes out it will be a better apples to apples comparison.
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The comparison between the Taycan and the Roadster is made because they are the same price, seat 4 people, and they are/will be sold as track performance oriented machines. The current Model S was not designed with road track performance in mind and cost 100k less. When the Model S Plaid comes out it will be a better apples to apples comparison.
Price is irrelevant and FYI, the P100d is like $150k so that would be same ball park.

The Taycan was designed with the P100D as a benchmark competitor. The Taycan is a performance oriented car, just like every damn car Porsche makes. That doesn’t mean it’s performance dedicated only. The comparison is beyond stupid and not equal. It should seem pretty common sense that a coupe would be smaller than a saloon. People making the comparison are ridiculous.

Will the roadster outperform the Taycan, almost 100% certain it will. I’d it comparing apples to apples? No.
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Old 06-17-2020, 01:15 PM   #2485
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P100D is not $150k dude. It's $95k on their website and includes basic autopilot (won't change lanes). That includes ludicrous mode. Only options are wheels, paint, "Full self driving" which is Porsche level pricing/value proposition for sure, and interior scheme. It's $104,990 with the most expensive options.

non performance model S is $75k, the one with over 400 miles EPA range rating.

The value you get for the money is getting better over time.
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Old 06-17-2020, 01:41 PM   #2486
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Price is irrelevant and FYI, the P100d is like $150k so that would be same ball park.

The Taycan was designed with the P100D as a benchmark competitor. The Taycan is a performance oriented car, just like every damn car Porsche makes. That doesn’t mean it’s performance dedicated only. The comparison is beyond stupid and not equal. It should seem pretty common sense that a coupe would be smaller than a saloon. People making the comparison are ridiculous.

Will the roadster outperform the Taycan, almost 100% certain it will. I’d it comparing apples to apples? No.
No the current Model S Performance Raven is 94k and 99k with upgraded wheels at 4.5k. The only other option available is 7k for full self driving. Maybe it was $150k years 3 years ago idk.

In other news the Model S long rage just got an EPA range update to 402 miles.
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No the current Model S Performance Raven is 94k and 99k with upgraded wheels at 4.5k. The only other option available is 7k for full self driving. Maybe it was $150k years 3 years ago idk.

In other news the Model S long rage just got an EPA range update to 402 miles.
Regardless, the direct and equal comparison is whatever top of the line S model is out and the Taycan.
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The comparison between the Taycan and the Roadster is made because they are the same price, seat 4 people, and they are/will be sold as track performance oriented machines. The current Model S was not designed with road track performance in mind and cost 100k less. When the Model S Plaid comes out it will be a better apples to apples comparison.
The Taycan is sold as a track performance oriented machine in the same way that the Panorama is... IE it's not. It's track capable just because it's a porsche, but it's not track "oriented", it's a street car. The Roadster and the Taycan are drastically different vehicles...

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The Roadster is one step above vaporware right now.
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So evidently Tesla has gained an option on 2000+ acres in Texas outside of Austin
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So evidently Tesla has gained an option on 2000+ acres in Texas outside of Austin
That’s all the state needs is more Californians. It’s so packed here already it’s ridiculous. Austin is worse than Dallas as it pertains to traffic because Austin is a college town and does not have the highway infrastructure to deal with the population boom. Hell I’m already looking out of state as there are too many people here now. Starting to remind of Los Angeles.
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That’s all the state needs is more Californians. It’s so packed here already it’s ridiculous. Austin is worse than Dallas as it pertains to traffic because Austin is a college town and does not have the highway infrastructure to deal with the population boom. Hell I’m already looking out of state as there are too many people here now. Starting to remind of Los Angeles.
Why not go San Antonio or Fort Worth?
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That’s all the state needs is more Californians. It’s so packed here already it’s ridiculous. Austin is worse than Dallas as it pertains to traffic because Austin is a college town and does not have the highway infrastructure to deal with the population boom. Hell I’m already looking out of state as there are too many people here now. Starting to remind of Los Angeles.
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Why not go San Antonio or Fort Worth?
Or Arlen, I hear Alamo beer is on tap at every bar.
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I was looking at MT for a get-a-way place. Some kinda final frontier. Until I found out there's a huge portion of Californians that apparently moved out there and were stupid with money driving up cost of realestate in all the good areas

Please. Stop. Contain yourselves where you're at. Next you're gonna tell me Tesla is spreading to WY or the dakotas
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Ft worth is in my metro dude, and it’s F’d out.
San Antonio is F’d out.

Bruh, the whole state is ruined man.
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Californians leave California and bring all the stuff they hated about California with them.
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Ft worth is in my metro dude, and it’s F’d out.
San Antonio is F’d out.

Bruh, the whole state is ruined man.
What do you mean by F’d out? Fort Worth still seems pretty open and cheap AF. San Antonio wasn’t bad either.



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Once the Californians leave California and California the rest of the other states, we move to California and take it over.
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Washington State has already fallen to the Kalifornicators. Seattle is Detroit 2.0
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What do you mean by F’d out? Fort Worth still seems pretty open and cheap AF. San Antonio wasn’t bad either.



You don't know Fort Worth and you don't know San Antonio worth a got damn
Property prices have gone way up, as well as taxes, and traffic. I have multiple friends in both areas man. I didn't fly in for a wee visit one day. Yeah you can get property less expensive than Commiefornia, sure. That's why all those ass holes are moving here. But it's to the point now, you aren't going to be close, you are going to have to move out a considerable distance, out to the sticks. And you'll be stuck with the rest of the busters in bumper to bumper trying to get to work. Kalifornians have ruined TX. Many of us natives are already looking out of state. My taxes are up a few k a year now, traffic out the ass around me. It sucks, it's ruined living here. Fort Worth used to be my stomping grounds. I spent the 90's there as well as Dallas and San Antonio. I've seen the changes and population increases first hand.



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Yup. They have also invaded Phoenix, Austin, Dallas, Denver, Salt Lake City, Boise, the list keeps on growing. They are a POS fungi that keeps spreading.



My favorite story is a guy who is like a little brother to me. He's in Austin, married, 3 kids. The boy, was out shooting his Red Rider like BB gun in the back yard. Manual lever action, one shot, manual **** it, etc. He is shooting it at a tree in the backyard where he has placed a target. The neighbor across the street calls 911 and says someone is shooting up the neighborhood with a gun. APD rolls, multiple cars, big scene. APD goes to my friend, they discuss, eventually, after the whole street of neighbors has come out to check out what is going on, APD tells this Commiefornia lady it's the neighbors boy shooting a target in their back yard with a BB gun and they aren't going to do anything. APD is pissed off at their wasted time, and ultimately split, no tickets, no nothing, they tell my friend sorry for the whole thing. He walks over to this lady's yard and she says "I'm sorry, I'm from California, guns scare me" and blah blah blah. He says he and his son are not doing anything illegal, deal with it.



Now I read and hear they are up in Austin whining about the property taxes. Our property taxes here are much larger than Commiestan. So a bunch of Cali people are in Austin leading legislation to try and reduce. This is the problem with these people, and a problem in the cities above. They move to an area like a virus, and try to turn it into their liberal bs place they moved from instead of melting into the pot they moved to. Traffic is awful here, night and day difference compared to 5 years ago and my property taxes are through the roof. We now have bumper stickers I'm seeing that say Go Back To California.
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TESLA going TEXAS way.Can employees live without sushi and Non Gluten spicy food ?
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