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01-24-2003, 05:06 AM | #1 |
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About to buy STi, question about Subaru's fit & finish...
I'm on the waiting list for STi with a local dealer.... but I'm
wondering about Subaru's fit & finish.... maybe a WRX owner can help me out?? How's subaru's paint job? orange peels (like what I heard from corvette owners)?? Fitment between panels? Is it tight like Honda or Toyota? or rought like GM and Ford? In between? Interior panel fitments? Does the car (interior) squeak whenever it goes over a bump? (actually my BMW/VW does that) I really dont care about noise from road/tire/suspension... but I hate obvious squeaks that's from poor interior design/fitment... Thanks for any input....feel free to add anything...
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01-24-2003, 05:57 AM | #2 |
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The paint doesn't suffer from orangepeel, but it is thin and soft.
The body panel alignment is a little worse than toyota/honda but quite close to them. The interior squeeks are minimal if they exist at all. Nothing as loud as a VW. Suspension/tire/etc noise is fine. |
01-24-2003, 12:07 PM | #3 |
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Fitment is good on my WRX. I've always owned american cars, so no suprise I would find an improvement in fitment.
Paint job is decent, but very thin like others have said. I can see some paint errors (uneveness) toward the bottom of the doors near the side skirt. I have the clutch shudder problem right now, but I'm assuming the Sti has a much improved clutch system. I have a dash rattle that's really annoying right now, I need to take it in, just haven't done it yet. Other than those things the car is pretty solid and rides like a much more expensive car than it is. But I think there should be a little concern of spending $35k on a car platform (2.5RS) that is $15k less. I'm not saying the car isn't worth the money, because it certainly is, but I think the greater expectation should be on the improved components and not the basics of the car. |
01-24-2003, 12:46 PM | #4 |
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I've got 60000 miles on my MY00 RS. Interior is still quiet. Only complaint is with the paint. Maybe it's better on WRXs, but it pretty much sucks on my car. Lots of chips on the hood. Yes, it has a few miles on it, but my wife's Civic has over 100000 miles and you can count the chips on one hand. Both have been driven a lot on highways. That's my only complaint. My interior has a few spots where things have caught it and cut into the surface, but it's nothing that's even noticeable. I'm expecting a little more from the STi, and you can be sure that I'll put a bra on it for any trip that involves much driving.
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01-24-2003, 02:34 PM | #5 |
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Thin paints are the norms right now... probably due to cost
saving or environmental concerns... I have numerous chips on my hood (BMW 97 E36 M3)... and the front lower bumper is literally covered with paint chips on freeways... I think the one thing that will really annoy me is the squeak/rattle from dash mentioned by dubrx.... Btw, does the door closed with a solid sound??.. or does it sound cheap like those Civics?? Ok, I think I'm asking too much... probably time for a WRX test drive.. |
01-24-2003, 04:28 PM | #6 |
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If you want aq more accurate dipection of the STi's interior, take a look at the new Baja... MUCH better than the old WRX's
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01-24-2003, 04:28 PM | #7 |
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i have a plat silver wrx and the paint has been a big problem, my last car was a gti mk4 and the paint was far superior. my drivers seat back adjuster broke (i'm 6'2 and 215 lbs) and the secondary instrument bezel would buzz any time the temp dropped below 40 degrees.
the biggest problem though, is the driveline. the 1,3 and 4 injectors where replaced, then the ecu was reprogramed. the clutch shudders (I have 17,000 miles on it) in temps 50 degrees or colder and i have a sevre raw fuel smell that just can't seem to be located. Recently we've had some very cold weather (below 0 at night) and if i don't keep it in the garage I'll have to put it on the charger for a liitle while in the morning or it will kill the battery while cranking. But, it sure is fun to drive! |
01-24-2003, 04:59 PM | #8 |
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Hi. I asked a similar question a while back and got a lot of different opinons - http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...uality+and+sti
Hope this helps. |
01-24-2003, 06:01 PM | #9 |
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I was planning on buying a sti. But my wrx developed several loud rattles in dash and I took it to dealer they told me.That SOA doesn't cover rattles after 12,000 miles.I think I'll be buying some-thing else.
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01-24-2003, 06:07 PM | #10 | |
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I guess some get what we're asking/looking for... some dont.. Give us the cheapest/lightest (for perf & cost) plastic for the interior... just make sure it's screw down TIGHT!! Is that too much to ask?? |
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01-24-2003, 06:14 PM | #11 | |
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Re: About to buy STi, question about Subaru's fit & finish...
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Bottom line is you get what you pay for. I think the fit and finish of the WRX is poor, but that is not why I purchased it. Torch |
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01-24-2003, 06:23 PM | #12 | |
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Re: Re: About to buy STi, question about Subaru's fit & finish...
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my statement is merely stereotyping?? I do believe that Honda and Toyota's panel fitment is probably ahead of everyone in the industry... and GM and Ford improving and doing catch ups... Yes, I am ignorant, so I am here asking people like you to enlighten me (instead of unnecessary insults)... You get what you pay for?? Personally, I do not think my BMW is better put together than a Accord or Camry... Like my previous post... I'm not asking for expensive parts... but basically hoping that the car is tighten down better... too much to ask on a 30k car, I guess... |
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01-24-2003, 07:20 PM | #13 |
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The build quality is pretty good (in the imported Subarus like Impreza and Forester).
Some of the materials (e.g. headling, carpet) leave a lot to be desired. But heck, it is a Subaru --- I've never bought one for the looks or interior appointments. Glenn |
01-24-2003, 08:51 PM | #14 |
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- Panel fitment is perfectly good, on a par with Toyota/Honda at least (at least mine is).
- Paint sucks - it's useless, this is my only major complaint - No interior rattles, after 20k miles of reasonably hard driving - Some interior materials could be better (like the Baja) Overall, I got what I expected, a functional, powerful and entertaining car for not much money. |
01-25-2003, 03:47 AM | #15 | ||
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01-25-2003, 09:01 AM | #16 |
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Panel Fit, quality, and rattles...
I'll chime in on the body panel fit...The current Honda's have a body panel fit of ~0.1 - 0.5 mm, whereas GM, Ford, and DCC (Daimlerechrysler Corp.) have panel fits of 1.0-3.0 mm.
I can't vouch for Toyota, VW, BMW, etc, but I would say that Subaru's panel fit is along the lines of Toyota's (middle of the road, ~0.5 mm to 1.0 mm). Of course I can see some pretty lousy spacing on my '02 WRX...one fender is misaligned, and as with every WRX I've seen, the bumpers edges don't line up correctly with the sheetmetal. There was a good article in Ward's Auto World a couple months ago on this topic. Of course, since I'm going off memory, my numbers might be a little off, but this is what I recall. In other areas, I think Subaru is most in line with Nissan as far as finish. My car had two interior panels installed poorly (covers on seatbelt tensioners and door panel pieces). As far as rattles, I haven't heard any yet. The chassis feels pretty stiff to me, which is good for minimizing rattles. While a lot of rattles that develp in cars are from interior components loosening up (ala' Ford), cars will also develop rattles if chassis welds start to break. In this case, the chassis is moving relative to the interior (instead of v.v.). It may sound strange, but cars can be expected to break some body welds throughout their life. If you search around (Autoworld, Automotive Engineering, etc), you can probably find the statistics on this also. |
01-25-2003, 07:01 PM | #17 |
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JT-KGY,
Quick question... where did you order the STi? I've e-mailed couple dealers, and most of them weren't that informative. |
01-26-2003, 01:01 PM | #18 |
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My $.02....
Brands I've owned so far: GM, Ford, Nissan, and Subaru; plus extensive experience with Toyota and VW. The Subarus have been the best by far. The interior isn't the most elegant; it seems to favor function over form. They are getting more ergonomic as the years pass, however. Mechanically, I've yet to find a car brand that is as rugged, durable and reliable overall. This includes Honda and Toyota. The paint is thin, yes, but I have a MY00 RS with 54k miles on the clock, and I can count the paint chips on one hand. No touch-up work done, either. And yes, this is with 54k miles driven in a metro area.... Many people say that the paint is "wavy" or "uneven" near the bottom of the doors, but this is actually intentional - the paint along the bottom of the car's sides is thicker, softer, and sprayed over an undercoat that makes it more malleable so as to prevent chipping where it is the most common. I owned a Ford Contour with the same type of paint in that area, and it remained the most durable area of the paint after 75k miles. I'll gladly trade appearance for durability in that area of the car! Bottom line: you get what you pay for. BUT, I will say that Subaru seems to give better value for the money than any others I've seen. Zenboy |
01-27-2003, 01:37 AM | #19 |
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My car has a thin coat of tuffguard truck bedliner all over it. Its really durable, no dings.
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01-27-2003, 02:39 PM | #20 | |
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