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Old 06-21-2018, 10:00 PM   #476
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How long had Alesi been around before his Ferrari drive?
He came in 1989 with Tyrell and joined Ferrari in '91. So he had 2 years of F1.

Didn't know Bottas came into F1 in '13 instead of '14.
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Old 06-22-2018, 11:46 AM   #477
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Ah yes HAM retiring is another possibility. Who knows.
well, Hamboy is now a successful singer named XNDA


and how can someone not hate Boullier?

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Such is the “toxic” atmosphere at McLaren that staff would consider going on strike were it not for the fear of losing their jobs.

Last week it emerged that all is not well at McLaren.

Sportsmail reported that staff at Woking are planning a “revolt” as they are furious at the “incompetence of their leaders.”

This led to former Martin Whitmarsh, saying he is opening to stepping in and sorting McLaren out.

But while the Woking team hit back at that, telling Sky Sports that his comments are “ill-judged and ill-informed”, an employee at the team has now spoken out about the “toxic” environment that sees hard-working staff rewards with 25p Freddo bars.

The employee, speaking under the guarantee of anonymity, told the Daily Mail: “We have been working all hours of the day, sweating blood, and they give us 25p Freddo bars.

“The management hand them to the supervisors to divide them out to employees in their team. Strictly one each.”

He added: “The Freddos are handed out when a package is produced on a tight schedule.

“For example, we were given two weeks to produce the Spain upgrade package in May.

“We all worked 24/7 to meet the deadline. We got it done in time. So a week later a Freddo was handed out to all staff involved as “a bonus”. Supervisors are embarrassed to hand them out.

“We also got a Freddo last year after building the car.”

The Daily Mail’s report added that bosses had ‘appealed to staff to build prototypes out of wood if they had any ideas how’ to fix what is wrong with McLaren’s MCL32.

“That shows how clueless they are,” the source added. “They told us at the post-Canadian Grand Prix debrief that they knew what was wrong with the car but not how to fix it. They ask us when they are on six-figure salaries.

“We call four of the management the “Untouchables”. There is Eric Boullier, racing director, Matt Morris, chief engineer, Simon Roberts, chief operating officer, and David Probyn, operations director. Some of them just walk about chatting. We have no respect for them.

“People are beginning to boycott the debriefs because they are a joke. The atmosphere is toxic. We would like to go on strike but people fear for their jobs.”

McLaren, though, insists all is well within the team.

“McLaren has one of the most loyal and long-serving staff in the entire motorsport industry. Our team leaders are free to reward their staff with spontaneous, thoughtful and fun gifts whenever they feel that a job or task is worthy of extra recognition and reward. This was just such an example, alongside so many others that happen on a daily basis.”
I have no idea how this fat frenchman has made it into the world of F1.

starts around 12.30

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Old 06-22-2018, 12:08 PM   #478
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and how can someone not hate Boullier?

I have no idea how this fat frenchman has made it into the world of F1.
Yeah he's terrible. I got the impression things were bad with management in Maclaren watching the "Gran Prix Driver" series on Amazon. Just seemed like a bunch of idiot yes men all propping each other up with a bunch of BS politics. I could tell right away it wasn't going to work with Honda's very Japanese culture. No surprise they're still slow with a faster power unit.
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Old 06-22-2018, 12:21 PM   #479
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I remember Bernie E keep saying every time he walked past the McLaren-Honda garage all they did was yell and scream at each other instead of working together.
What a mess.
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Old 06-23-2018, 01:51 AM   #480
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Eff me. The stripes. Why are there so many stripes? If I have an epileptic seizure can I sue Bernie? I like the paint at Abu Dhabi. Couldbt they just paint the run off areas green like grass?
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Old 06-23-2018, 10:27 AM   #481
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The drivers want that chicane along the back straight removed next season.
This track looks like a painted parking lot.

Both Williams and McLarens didn't make it out of q3.
Hope Riccardo sees this.
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Old 06-23-2018, 04:38 PM   #482
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Eff me. The stripes. Why are there so many stripes? If I have an epileptic seizure can I sue Bernie? I like the paint at Abu Dhabi. Couldbt they just paint the run off areas green like grass?


They are different levels of abrasion to slow the car down. They are very difficult to concentrate with.
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Old 06-23-2018, 04:40 PM   #483
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F2 race 1 was quite the thriller. No intermediate tires made it even more interesting. Fire belching was cool too. Sad that I almost look forward to F2 racing more.
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Old 06-23-2018, 05:13 PM   #484
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its better racing
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Old 06-23-2018, 05:28 PM   #485
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Good job by both Haas cars and LeClerc in the Sauber to get in Q3
Tough luck for RG for crashing out in Q3.
I expect this race to be like Canada: Follow the leader if no SC
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Both Williams and McLarens didn't make it out of q3.
back in the days

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Old 06-23-2018, 08:48 PM   #487
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Old 06-24-2018, 10:29 PM   #488
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Whole lotta whining going on about Seb's penalty.
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I’m pretty sure there were more passes in this race than in any other so far this season.

The drivers want to get rid of the chicane next year but there were lots of passes under braking for it this year, too.

Of course, having two of the top drivers coming from the back helped add to the passes but even mid-field looked interesting for a change.
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I’m pretty sure there were more passes in this race than in any other so far this season.

The drivers want to get rid of the chicane next year but there were lots of passes under braking for it this year, too.

Of course, having two of the top drivers coming from the back helped add to the passes but even mid-field looked interesting for a change.
Entertaining race. The camera angles and views were well done too. Really showed just how technical and fast certain sections of the track were. Had no problem with the chicane, brought some good action into turn 7 and 8 too. However losing the chicane would allow for less downforce in other technical sections of the track, making for some more interesting moments throughout.

My eyes are still adjusting from the runoffs. Hopefully next year brings the same action.
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I'm in the complete opposite end here.. this race was not that exciting for me. It was relatively boring - positions were relatively static and the cars looked like they were in treacle.

This despite the multiple passes - which frankly were of the this car is 1.5s faster than me - we are not really racing them anyway type.

Ferrari almost screwed up RAI's race. They were lucky that RIC had front wing damage that allowed them to get that podium.

VET is very fortunate to have not received a (deserved) harsher penalty.

BOT poor guy. That would have for sure been at least a 3rd place finish.

GRO should just hang it up. He just can't deliver and is for some reason always surrounded by bad luck.

Great job LEC. That junior Ferrari team is doing really well this year.

Sucks for GAS and OCO. OCO should not have made such a drastic move that led to GAS being unsettled and then losing it.

SAI is so fortunate with that VSC.
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Old 06-25-2018, 10:45 AM   #492
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Entertaining race. The camera angles and views were well done too. Really showed just how technical and fast certain sections of the track were. Had no problem with the chicane, brought some good action into turn 7 and 8 too. However losing the chicane would allow for less downforce in other technical sections of the track, making for some more interesting moments throughout.

My eyes are still adjusting from the runoffs. Hopefully next year brings the same action.
Glad they didn't use the cameras from the GT races there... they are horrendous and you can't tell where the driving line is. Lots of chopper footage this time helped. All those dumb stripes and 9028523 track configs makes it hard to follow with the camera angles the Blancpain series uses.

Good thing Vettel tarded it up and cause a crash, otherwise we wouldn't have had much passing... him and Bottas coming through made it seem like there was good action

Five seconds is pretty lame for ruining someone's race, though. He hit Grosjean and sent him off track, too. They should do a stop and go/hold - but without the team being able to work on the car for penalties in situations like that.
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I'm in the complete opposite end here.. this race was not that exciting for me. It was relatively boring - positions were relatively static and the cars looked like they were in treacle.

This despite the multiple passes - which frankly were of the this car is 1.5s faster than me - we are not really racing them anyway type.

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Sucks for GAS and OCO. OCO should not have made such a drastic move that led to GAS being unsettled and then losing it.
First part of your post summarizes my thoughts exactly. I don't know if I ever saw two cars on that (Mistral?) straight that weren't passing each other! But it's just because of the DRS right? I mean, two comparable cars (not like a Mercedes vs a Haas) pretty much play hot potato trading positions back and forth at the exact same spot every lap without fail and whoever happens to be left holding the bag on the last lap comes out on top.

Absolutely devastated about Ocon and Gasly connecting lap 1. I like both of these drivers a lot and for them to take each other out on home turf must be an especially bad feeling. Initially I thought Gasly was at fault but upon rewatching I don't think Ocon knew just how much speed Gasly was carrying into that corner or how much room to leave him. I sure nerves and the pressure to outperform his teammate really got to Ocon.
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Sure seemed like it was really Ocon's fault entirely. He cut across the full width of the track. There's no position at all Gasly could've been in that he wouldn't have cut across. Quite the opposite of what Vettel did, where he had room he didn't use (or lost control and couldn't use).

Really seems like we need Formula 1 and Formula 1.5. It'd be more interesting if they split classes or something so that it was Merc/Ferrari/Redbull and then everyone else in their own separate class.

I'm curious where all the time comes from. It's obviously not the engine/gearbox, tires are spec, aero doesn't seem like it should account for 2s per lap - is it brakes & dampers?
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Good job KMag. Was pretty sure he would ended up 7th without the vsc.
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I'm curious where all the time comes from. It's obviously not the engine/gearbox, tires are spec, aero doesn't seem like it should account for 2s per lap - is it brakes & dampers?
Maybe not the engine itself, and more the ECU/tuning of said engines.

What about Merc and their infamous Qualifying Party Mode?

IIRC, they mentioned during the race that VET probably was in a more aggressive mode to do all the passing.
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If it were just that, wouldn't the 2nd tier teams manage to pull it off? I'm assuming that the ECU/tuning comes also from the provider and isn't left up to the team. I mean certainly Redbull isn't pulling off a better tune on a Renault engine than Renault is? Makes me think it's more in brakes/other areas.
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Whole lotta whining going on about Seb's penalty.
I can see it both ways. He did lose control and cause a collision which could have been avoided. Yet I dislike when they are so quick to penalize drivers for trying to make a race of it.

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Glad they didn't use the cameras from the GT races there... they are horrendous and you can't tell where the driving line is. Lots of chopper footage this time helped. All those dumb stripes and 9028523 track configs makes it hard to follow with the camera angles the Blancpain series uses.

Good thing Vettel tarded it up and cause a crash, otherwise we wouldn't have had much passing... him and Bottas coming through made it seem like there was good action

Five seconds is pretty lame for ruining someone's race, though. He hit Grosjean and sent him off track, too. They should do a stop and go/hold - but without the team being able to work on the car for penalties in situations like that.
When did Vettel hit Grosjean? Was that part of the Turn 3 cluster? I know Grosjean went wide and cut across the run-off, but I thought it was just avoiding the Ocon / Gasly incident. I saw Bottas run him wide which led to Grosjean calling it in on the radio. Grosjean was penalized for running someone wide at the start, but Bottas was free and clear pushing Grosjean over the curbing.
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I can see it both ways. He did lose control and cause a collision which could have been avoided. Yet I dislike when they are so quick to penalize drivers for trying to make a race of it.


When did Vettel hit Grosjean? Was that part of the Turn 3 cluster? I know Grosjean went wide and cut across the run-off, but I thought it was just avoiding the Ocon / Gasly incident. I saw Bottas run him wide which led to Grosjean calling it in on the radio. Grosjean was penalized for running someone wide at the start, but Bottas was free and clear pushing Grosjean over the curbing.
Wasn't shown on broadcast that I remember, but you can catch it via F1TV onboard cam. I'll see if I can find a streamable of it

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did you see the start when Grosjean crashed into the Force India, trying to squeeze the car into the barrier, look closely


Grosjean has to leave F1
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