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Old 03-10-2010, 11:11 AM   #1
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Hi everyone.

I'm considering replacing my driver's seat with an aftermarket seat, either the Recaro Speed or the Sparco Torino 2.

My car is a daily-driver and seasonal auto-crosser. So one of my reasons for either seat is having much better side bolsters to keep me in place. Another is that since it's a daily-driver, I still need to be able to use the factory seatbelts. The last is that I have a tall torso and thus w/o a helmet on, my head misses the headliner by about 1/4". With a helmet on, I'm wedged into the car. Thus I figure that an aftermarket seat will sit lower in the car by 2" to 3".

My problem is that there are no stocking dealers nearby. The closest one I have found to date is a company in Northern New Jersey called Stable Energies. I want to make sure at the very least that I will fit into the seat properly.

I know that either seat will fit into an Impreza, but I do not know if Recaro makes a direct-fit bracket to properly mount the seat into the car. Sparco does make direct-fit brackets so that there is no modification what-so-ever to either the bracket, seat, or the car.

I also know that since I have a 2006 WRX that I will lose the side airbag by doing the swap and I will have to install a resistor (or set of resistors) to have the airbag light go off so that at least the frontal airbag continues to function.

Ok, so what are my questions in short?

Does Recaro make direct-fit brackets? If not, then what brackets would I use? Sparco?
To confirm: will either seat fit into a 2002-2007 WRX Sedan?
To confirm: does either seat have "real" side-bolsters to keep you in place?
To confirm: will either make of seat sit lower than the OEM seat when the OEM seat is in the full-downward position?

Thank you for your help.

PS, I'm leaning toward the Recaro Speed because the harness opening will accomodate a wide variety of harnesses, including the Schroth 4-point harness that's in my car. The Sparco Torino 2 will not accomodate the Schroth 4-point harness. But, if need-be, I will replace the harness - I just don't feel like spending an additional $200-$400 to do so.

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Old 03-10-2010, 12:34 PM   #2
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Evo 9 MR Recaro's....

Direct bolt in when using the Sparco bracket or another shop (I forget their name off the top of my head).
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Respectfully, no one has installed either a Sparco or Recaro seat?
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Old 03-10-2010, 12:35 PM   #4
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Evo 9 seats are Recaro's??? So I would assume it to be a similar process.
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Evo seats are Recaro. I used the Evo sliders and Wedge Enigeering Impreza brackets when I installed mine. I needed a few washers to proper seats leveling also.
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Respectfully, it's not the actual installation of the seats themselves I need information on.

I need to know, for example, if either aftermarket seat sit lower in the car as compared to an OEM seat placed in the downward most seating position.
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Old 03-10-2010, 12:39 PM   #7
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Ok, so based on that, the Recaro mounting base needs to be modified?
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Yes, they do sit lower. You would still be able to use your OEM seat belt.

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Ok, so based on that, the Recaro mounting base needs to be modified?
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Evo seats are Recaro. I used the Evo sliders and Wedge Enigeering Impreza brackets when I installed mine. I needed a few washers to proper seats leveling also.
Kind of. You replace the bracket off the Recaro's with the Wedge Engineering and/or Sparco that's specifically designed for the WRX. Sliders stay the same.
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Yes, they do sit lower. You would still be able to use your OEM seat belt.
Thank you! That's one part of the issue solved.
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Old 03-10-2010, 12:49 PM   #10
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Ok. I remember reading about using Sparco seat bases with the Recaro seats.

I don't want to incur any risk for example by drilling or cutting a seat base to effectively modify it to work.

As an aside, I know that people were buying Sparco seat bases and trying to fit them to a different manufacturer of the seat itself. Why? Because there is a vendor that stopped selling Sparco bases and would only sell them if you bought a Sparco seat. I do not know if it was a Sparco seat base to a Recaro seat that was the issue.
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From what I have read, if you buy the correct base you should not need to drill additional holes. Just swap the bases and it should be a direct bolt on. As mentioned by MDRex, you may need to use washers to level the seat. The only real rigging you would do is for the air bag sensor -- which you already mentioned in your original post.
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On my setup I did have to drill two extra holes on the bracket.
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I have a set of torino 2s n I opted for Bride brackets cuz they have sliders built in where as sparco does not. A sparco bracket plus slider can cost up to 400 where the bride I got for 160 and they sit lower too.
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To revive my own topic, I purchased and installed last week a Recaro Speed seat.

I purchased the seat, a set of Recaro sliders, and a Planted Technology seat base from Stable Energies in Garfield, NJ. Great people and excellent service!

The Recaro seat & sliders bolted directly to the Planted Technology base without any modification.

Since I have a 2006, there are three SRS related sensors: seat-belt, seat-position, and side air-bag:

1) The seat-belt is self explanatory and is plugged back into the system.

2) The seat-position sensor is a magetic-reader. There is a metal tab built into the OEM base. When the seat is slid far enough forward, the magnetic-reader is interrupted by the tab thus telling the SRS that someone is sitting very close to the steering-wheel air-bag. I sit all the way back, so I left this sensor plugged in and sitting free under the seat.

3) The side air-bag is now gone. I did the three 1-watt, 10-ohm resistors in parallel and effectively fabricated a resistor-harness, inserted the bare wire end into the connector and used electrical tape to hold it in position. Voila! The air-bag light is off.

The seat-belt receiver bolt sticks out a little and lightly contacts the rug, but ever-so-slightly. I used a bolt specifically designed with a short head that is used for seats/seat-belts, and there is very little contact with the rug. There is no real movement to cause the tip of the bolt to hit and dig into the side of the rug.

I originally used the 'loop-side' of a strip of Velcro as padding on the center-console against the seat-belt receiver (as seen in the picture). I have since changed this by using a pad of wool with self-adhesive backing from McMaster-Carr.

The seat clears the base-bracket side post for the seat-belt receiver and the seat itself clears the interior panels.

I have also since removed the arm-rest extension. The extension worked for me when the OEM seat was in place. Now that I sit about 4" lower, the extension was to tall, so I reinstalled the OEM cover.










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I love my Recaro Speed. It's like sitting in a cloud!
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I love my Recaro Speed. It's like sitting in a cloud!
Having owned an SRD (same as the speed, but has a shorter headrest)...

I have no clue what you are talking about.

Its comfortable in the sense that it holds you better, but is FAR from being luxurious or "cloud" like.
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Having owned an SRD (same as the speed, but has a shorter headrest)...

I have no clue what you are talking about.

Its comfortable in the sense that it holds you better, but is FAR from being luxurious or "cloud" like.
Each their own. You must be a different size than me because I like the way I sit in the Recaro.
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Each their own. You must be a different size than me because I like the way I sit in the Recaro.
I'm not talking about size.

I'm talking about the padding and build.
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the very next thing im buying for my car is a new drivers seat....the bugeye seat i have in it is over 200k miles old and isnt cutting it anymore

this thread is my sweetums

now...what seat??....mmmmm

im 5'9" and about #200 with short legs...want a regular seat, not a 'bucket'

oh boy....
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the very next thing im buying for my car is a new drivers seat....the bugeye seat i have in it is over 200k miles old and isnt cutting it anymore

this thread is my sweetums

now...what seat??....mmmmm

im 5'9" and about #200 with short legs...want a regular seat, not a 'bucket'

oh boy....
Bugeye seats are heavenly. I bought a set years ago for $50 and I've been moving them from one DD Subaru to another ever since. I never understood why people were so quick to throw them out for junky 04+ WRX and STi seats.

But yeah, mine are getting very old and worn out now. I hope to find another set soon. I must say, my new Version 8 STi seats (from JDM land) are as good or better than the bugeye seats, but they are too nice for my DD's.
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Bugeye seats are heavenly.(
I will agree to this.

The 2006 WRX seats are pretty, but don't give you that "hug" like the 2002 WRX seats do.

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Scotty, find a vendor that stocks seats so you can test a variety out. This is what I did and was the best thing to do. I did a lot of "research" and to be honest, no sizing of yourself against a manufacturer's size-chart will suffice. You're really only guessing at that point.

I'm 6'3" with a tall-torso. That means with the OEM seat, I would be looking out the glass at the top portion, with the mirror blocking my view. I now am seated much lower and look through the glass at approximately the mid-section with an unobstructed view of the roadway.

If you are going to utilize the harness-slots in a seat, then you may not want the Recaro Speed seat. Why? It is designed for someone like me that is 'tall'. But if not, this seat is a good contender.

The Planted Technologies base will make the seat sit at the lowest most position possible. It's truly designed for competition to get your seat to the lowest-most point in the vehicle. So depending on the seat, combined with this base, as well as whether you use sliders or not, if you are around your height, you most-likely would be looking just over the steering wheel.

I did peruse a write-up here on NASIOC regarding the installation of the Recaro Speed seats and the use of Wedge Enigeering Impreza brackets. The Wedge Engineering base bracket allows for setting the seat a bit higher up. If you need to sit higher or want that adjustability, it appears that the Wedge Engineering base is what you may want.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1432998

I'm generally against modifying seat components, unless the manufacturer provides a provision for doing so. Meaning, no cutting, drilling, welding, use of 'blocks' to raise the base, etc, especially if you're driving on the streets and/or lend someone your car.

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Also, and not mentioned in my follow-up post, you can also adjust the seat from left-to-right using the Planted Technology seat base by about 1/4". This was enough to have the Recaro Speed seat centered to effectively miss everything, even if by a millimeter or two.

While you do want to effectively center yourself to the steering wheel, my car is a daily-driver with a full interior. I had to set everything as close to center as possible, but taking into effect that:

a) if you should want to use a slider, that the seat and/or any seat adjusters and the like clear the seat-base and the seat-belt attaching arm

b) the bolt holding the seat-belt receiver to the base-arm clears the rug/interior as well as for the seat.

c) that the seat itself clears the interior panels as a whole

d) that if using the Planted Technologies base, you buy two front bolts that mount the seat and/or slider to the base that are about 4mm to 6mm shorter. Otherwise, the tips of the bolts do contact the rug and when you sit and/or drive, the seat-base will compress just enough for those bolt-tips to contact the rug and the floor.

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As a side-note, I have considered (price not withstanding), but am against installing a matching seat on the passenger's side. Why? It's a street car and should I have a passenger, I don't want to compromise the safety of my passenger with respect to the SRS (e.g. safety and legal).

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If you want any other pictures or have other questions, of course ask. PM me so I can get a direct question to which I will gladly reply to as well as to post here.

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Wedge Engineering: http://wedgebrackets.com/seat-brackets-home/

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yeah...i dont like to be too low....the stock seat height is just about right for me

the seat in my 85 gts corolla was heavenly....the bugeye seats are just very good......not heavenly

if i could get another stock gts corolla seat to fit in the wrx...THAT would be


i think they wanted $1800 for that seat, new, at the dealer....i priced one out when i had the car
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the very next thing im buying for my car is a new drivers seat....the bugeye seat i have in it is over 200k miles old and isnt cutting it anymore

this thread is my sweetums

now...what seat??....mmmmm

im 5'9" and about #200 with short legs...want a regular seat, not a 'bucket'

oh boy....
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Bugeye seats are heavenly. I bought a set years ago for $50 and I've been moving them from one DD Subaru to another ever since. I never understood why people were so quick to throw them out for junky 04+ WRX and STi seats.

But yeah, mine are getting very old and worn out now. I hope to find another set soon. I must say, my new Version 8 STi seats (from JDM land) are as good or better than the bugeye seats, but they are too nice for my DD's.
I'm in this bucket. I've got well over 200k on a set of bugeye seats in my wagon. A set of V8 JDM Spec C seats would be awesome and fit perfect. But they're pricey
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