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Old 12-05-2017, 02:34 PM   #101
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I had no idea that it was a crossover from Daredevil, but knowing enough about the general Punisher ethos I didn't have a problem following
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How are you some of you stumbling upon Punisher without seeing or knowing about Daredevil, and the other Defenders? I'm sure it is possible, but just curious.
I don't understand this either, as everyone on the internet first heard about the Bernthal Punisher because he was introduced in Daredevil season 2.

oh well.


I thought this series was one of Marvel Netflix's best so far, probably neck and neck with Daredevil season 1. Bernthal absolutely killed it (and everyone) as Frank Castle and owns this role.

And on a Walking Dead tangent, holy crap, I did not expect this much blood and gore. My only nitpick other than the stretched out pacing of what should have been an 8 ep story dragged out to 13, is that Frank Castle takes so many injuries and punishment that would have killed a half dozen men, and he bounces back from his injuries almost Logan quick.
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Old 12-05-2017, 02:40 PM   #102
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Well,
Part of that was covered in the DD part. He doesn't feel pain as most do because of his brain injury, plus he is always in an adrenaline enhanced state.
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Old 12-05-2017, 04:01 PM   #103
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Finished it. It was really really good. As usual, the ending was fairly dumb, but I dare say it was better than DareDevil. Speaking of, I'm surprised he didn't pop up to look after Karen (just to make sure she's OK, blah blah blah).
This happens after Defenders. Murdock is pretty much out of the story for a while.

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started this partially because it's 4K DolbyVision..

It's been good.. but man do they lean on the "dream shifts to real life wake up" sequences with his family a **** ton.
It's really the best way they can use to help us understand that this dude was really committed to his family. It's only part of the reason that the movie in 2004 sucked, because he hooked up with that chick.

Like, one of his core things is his family, it's what drives his desire to do what he do, and to explain it as bluntly as possible: dude may as well cut his pecker off cause he ain't using it again.

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Still enjoying it in episode 10. I like the style of it. Holy hell is he an angry dude. I don’t fully understand his obsession with Karen. My assumption was she was related to his wife but I would have thought they would have dangled that carrot by now.

My gripe: the intro credits take too long
Watch Daredevil season 2, and maybe the Defenders. It will make more sense.
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Old 12-05-2017, 04:20 PM   #104
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started this partially because it's 4K DolbyVision..

It's been good.. but man do they lean on the "dream shifts to real life wake up" sequences with his family a **** ton.
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It's really the best way they can use to help us understand that this dude was really committed to his family. It's only part of the reason that the movie in 2004 sucked, because he hooked up with that chick.

Like, one of his core things is his family, it's what drives his desire to do what he do, and to explain it as bluntly as possible: dude may as well cut his pecker off cause he ain't using it again.



Watch Daredevil season 2, and maybe the Defenders. It will make more sense.
This. It was explained in DD 2 that his brain injury means he relived that day over and over, including all of the emotions he felt at the moment it happened.
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:54 PM   #105
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I finished the series a few days ago. It's phenomenal - I think it's the best TV adaptation of a superhero that I can think of. I really liked Luke Cage and Daredevil is pretty good, but this just felt spot on. And I think it did a great job weaving in the veteran/society clash without feeling trite.
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Old 12-05-2017, 11:10 PM   #106
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Just finished The Punisher, damn, what an ending. This and Daredevil were done extremely well. Now if they could can that ****ty actor in Iron Fist.
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Old 12-05-2017, 11:10 PM   #107
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The beautiful shots of the AI are worth it, friend.
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Old 12-05-2017, 11:15 PM   #108
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I suppose I need to give this a couple more episodes. The Punisher story arc in Daredevil was my least favorite part of any of these Marvel Netflix series to-date, and I fell asleep during the first episode of this one. Some high praise here. I'll give it a shot.
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Old 12-05-2017, 11:25 PM   #109
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I don't understand this either, as everyone on the internet first heard about the Bernthal Punisher because he was introduced in Daredevil season 2.

oh well.


I thought this series was one of Marvel Netflix's best so far, probably neck and neck with Daredevil season 1. Bernthal absolutely killed it (and everyone) as Frank Castle and owns this role.

And on a Walking Dead tangent, holy crap, I did not expect this much blood and gore. My only nitpick other than the stretched out pacing of what should have been an 8 ep story dragged out to 13, is that Frank Castle takes so many injuries and punishment that would have killed a half dozen men, and he bounces back from his injuries almost Logan quick.
I had remembered the general punisher theme from reading to comics as a kid. Saw the meh movie, then saw a trailer for this coming out. Basically came into it knowing he was a special ops guy; was betrayed and whole family and ext fam killed, and out for revenge after taking out the criminal underworld responsible for it. obv didn't get any of the background on the Karen relationship but the series was done well enough that I don't think it mattered. Ill be catching up on daredevil.
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I suppose I need to give this a couple more episodes. The Punisher story arc in Daredevil was my least favorite part of any of these Marvel Netflix series to-date, and I fell asleep during the first episode of this one. Some high praise here. I'll give it a shot.
It is slow moving but well worth it.
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Old 12-06-2017, 12:13 AM   #111
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Loved this series, but couldn’t get past Daredevil episode 1. Is it really that good?
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No, were all just making it up so others suffer through 2 seasons of disappointment.


Yes, it’s that good. Stop being a Nancy and watch it.
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Old 12-06-2017, 07:12 AM   #113
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Old 12-06-2017, 09:04 AM   #114
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Loved this series, but couldn’t get past Daredevil episode 1. Is it really that good?
I had the same problem, had to agonize through the first few episodes then it started clicking.

The only thing I didn't particularly care for in Punisher was the side story with the kid who couldn't get over war. It seemed out of place and not really a part of the rest of the story. Once they tied it into the main story it was okay, but it just seemed like a distraction until they had done that.
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I had the same problem, had to agonize through the first few episodes then it started clicking.

The only thing I didn't particularly care for in Punisher was the side story with the kid who couldn't get over war. It seemed out of place and not really a part of the rest of the story. Once they tied it into the main story it was okay, but it just seemed like a distraction until they had done that.
Yeah the low rent Unabomber side story could have been trimmed out, really felt like filler.
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Yeah the low rent Unabomber side story could have been trimmed out, really felt like filler.
I get what they were trying to do, but it was a distraction. There's a better, more appropriate place we can talk about PTSD and the support or lack thereof our vets receive when they return home.
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I get what they were trying to do, but it was a distraction. There's a better, more appropriate place we can talk about PTSD and the support or lack thereof our vets receive when they return home.
Agreed. I liked it as part of the story when it was first introduced. Highlighted how messed up some of the vets are, and showed where each of the three different members of Frank's former team ended up in life. Could have left off without making the vets look like angry, violent, criminals though.
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I had the same problem, had to agonize through the first few episodes then it started clicking.

The only thing I didn't particularly care for in Punisher was the side story with the kid who couldn't get over war. It seemed out of place and not really a part of the rest of the story. Once they tied it into the main story it was okay, but it just seemed like a distraction until they had done that.
Side story?

Without that side story, Frank may have not found out about Russo until it was too late. Louis led him (and Dinah) to realize what Russo was up to.


Also, the series did end on a cliffhanger, sort of. We know who the S2 bad guy will be.
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Eh, I didn't mind the vet ptsd side story. It's believable, plays into the story line and wasn't too drawn out in my opinion. Could have maybe removed the whole issue of 2nd amendment rights discussion and it would have played out just fine.
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Also, the series did end on a cliffhanger, sort of. We know who the S2 bad guy will be.

Never read comics as a kid, so after every Marvel movie / TV show I have to look up who some of these people are, in this case who Russo becomes.

Anyway, came across an interview with the writer now said they were looking at introducing some new villains from the comics and then having Russo come back in a later season, such as 3 or 4.
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Side story?

Without that side story, Frank may have not found out about Russo until it was too late. Louis led him (and Dinah) to realize what Russo was up to.


Also, the series did end on a cliffhanger, sort of. We know who the S2 bad guy will be.
Did they need to build his character for us to understand the motivation for what he was doing?

His part in the story could have easily started with the bombings and the story could have been exactly the same the rest of the way. We didn't need to see him sleeping in a hole, we didn't need to see him denied work by Russo, and all the other things that led him to where he was. It's not hard to believe that a vet would maybe feel backed into a corner with everyone against him and that's why he was doing what he was doing, at the least, we didn't need 1/4 of each episode leading up to the bombings devoted to him.

Dude was a spoiler to move the story in a bit of a different direction, not a main character.

Anyway, I'm not suggesting that they should have removed him from the story completely, just that a spoiler character of his level didn't need as intricate a back story as he was given.

In fact, I really liked how they portrayed Punisher as a good listener and able to talk people down from the ledge. It helped to humanize him, and part of that was being able to talk down this PTSD kid, as well as David Lieberman's son.

Oh, and because of Ben Barnes acting in this and Westworld, he's quickly becoming one of my favorite actors.
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No, were all just making it up so others suffer through 2 seasons of disappointment.





Yes, it’s that good. Stop being a Nancy and watch it.


Started watching Daredevil season 2 because you said so. Elektra is super annoying, and makes me want to fast forward through the scenes.
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Started watching Daredevil season 2 because you said so. Elektra is super annoying, and makes me want to fast forward through the scenes.
It's generally agreed the first half featuring the Punisher is great and the 2nd half focusing on Electra and the Hand is... uneven at best. Plus Matt Murdock comes across as a real a**hole when he's basically ***** whipped by Elektra.

I'd suggest finishing DD season 2 only if you want to push thru to watching the Defenders later because it's core to that plot.
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Defenders is meh, don't worry about it.
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Started watching Daredevil season 2 because you said so. Elektra is super annoying, and makes me want to fast forward through the scenes.
But she's hot.
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