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Old 11-13-2004, 07:29 PM   #1
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So I got my COBB rear sway bar and Perrin rear
endlinks installed this morning and IT ROCKS!! - but
I have a quick question.....is it normal for the rear endlinks to move side to
side and for one side to be angled one way and the other
side be angled another way? These are the Perrin endlinks, so they
do have the spherical bearing, but I still don't know if this is normal.

I mean.....is this OK for the sway bar and the whole rear setup in general
for the endlinks to be so "loose" side to side? I have searched on this site and read two interesting threads...one said it was normal for spherical bearings to do that, but the other said it was an issue and that it should be fixed with hose clamps. So which is it ??

Anyone with Perrin rear endlinks please chime in and help me out!!
Thanks !!

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Old 11-13-2004, 08:33 PM   #2
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I can't help you with your question, but let me know how you like the cobb rear sway bar. Haven't heard of a lot of people with the Cobb sway bar but it looks like a good deal.
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Old 11-13-2004, 08:52 PM   #3
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Well check this out....this is kinda crazy. I got the COBB sway bar kit - front and rear. Well, the front COBB bar didn't fit, because apparently, my car was one of the last ones out of production for the '04s. Well from what I was told
was that as the year goes on and improvments/changes are made, they put them into the current vehicles. So to make a long story short, the COBB front sway didn't fit, so they swapped it out with the STI solid front sway bar.

But to answer your question, so far the car handles beautifully.
But I also have STI front sway bar, Aurora front endlinks and of course the Perrin rear endlinks in question. My car feels like a 3000 pound go-kart.
I also got the whiteline steering rack bushings installed, and let me tell you, they are well worth the 30 bucks. Steering feels much better now.
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Old 11-14-2004, 07:00 AM   #4
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It sounds to me like you need collars - while the bar walk is fairly normal, that doesn't make it a good thing.
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Old 11-14-2004, 07:50 AM   #5
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Yeah, the collars are just the ticket or you can just get some good clamps at the auto parts store and put one on each end of the bar mounts after you center the bar.
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Old 11-14-2004, 08:07 AM   #6
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Are the endlinks installed on the correct side of the sway bar? What I mean is, are they mounted on the inside or outside of the sway bar? That will make a difference on the angle of the endlink, whether angled in, out or straight up and down. It would help if you could post pics of the angled endlinks.
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Old 11-14-2004, 10:43 AM   #7
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They are mounted inside the sway bar. The COBB rear sway bar is adjustable, so there are three holes in the bar. Right now, I have the endlinks
in the second hole (Medium Stiffness). Last night I went under my car and physically straightened each endlink to where they were both in the same position and at the same angle, or very close. I drive around for a bit and came back home and looked at the endlinks again. Well the drivers side stayed about where it was, but the passenger side was angle in torwards the car ( \ ). So I am thinking that the movement is normal, because I was by myself in my car, which would explain why the passenger side, the less load side, was angled in towards the heavier driver side.

I am still waiting for someone with Perrin Rear Endlinks to tell me is thiers do they same. But overall, the car handles freggin' great !! I highly recommend the COBB Rear bar, it is vert stout, and hollow and of very good construction.
And it's not the sway bar that moves, it doesn't budge. Just the endlinks.
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Old 11-14-2004, 04:05 PM   #8
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I've got the Cusco swybr + Perrin links,
There will be some sideways movement and that's normal - as long as it doesnt make the links rub/touch anything - I don't know if the COBB swybr is different and allows more movement sideways, in that case you may need the collars

So far I've gone to one track event and driven about 3k miles and no issues at all and I'm not using the collars
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Old 11-14-2004, 05:32 PM   #9
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Very cool, I'm glad to hear that it's normal. They look like they never
would get close enough to rub or touch anything, so that's good.

If I do need the collars, where can I get some of those ?
And thanks for the info !! I'm glad to hear you are running a
similar setup in the rear and have had no problems !!

I can't wait till my first auto'x or track event in my WRX, especially
now that I have the F and R sway bars and F abd R endlinks and steering bushings. It feels real nice
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Old 11-14-2004, 05:54 PM   #10
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antidote11, there's a link in my first post about them.
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Old 11-14-2004, 09:30 PM   #11
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Oh, I didn't even notice the link....it should be underlined or soemthing. L : )

Thanks for the link, but it's not my swaybar that moves, it's my endlinks.
They move from side to side, and from all the stuff I have read about them
in the past 24 hours leads me to believe that it's normal. The swaybar itself
is as solid as a rock. But none the less, I may end up getting some
collars just in case, so thanks again for the link.
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Old 11-15-2004, 07:58 PM   #12
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OK, just wanted to give an update.

I just got home from work and looked at the endlinks.
Now, the driver side endlink is touching the sway bar....
is this normal ??

I am starting to think that maybe I should have gone with
Kartboys with straight up urethane bushings. These spherical
bearing links move all over the place, and now one is touching
my beautiful brand new COBB sway bar !!!

Again, calling the Perrin endlinks users.....has your endlinks ever swayed so much to one side that is was touching the sway bar ??? I'm kinda freaked out... I just paid 800 bills for this setup.
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Old 11-15-2004, 09:04 PM   #13
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The bar is supposed to be centered at all times. The problem with the mov't of the bearings is that the bar will slide through the lubed bushings. You guys really need clamps or collars on the outside of the mounts to prevent the bar from moving. Again, having the sway bar "walk" to one side or the other is NOT normal.
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Old 11-15-2004, 09:49 PM   #14
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Again, calling the Perrin endlinks users.....has your endlinks ever swayed so much to one side that is was touching the sway bar ??? I'm kinda freaked out... I just paid 800 bills for this setup.
I had the perrin rear endlinks with a progress rear swaybar on my '02 wrx. With the spherical bearings, it is possible to move the endlink with your hand side to side so that it touches the swaybar. So, its not unthinkable that they could hit during aggressive cornering. I believe this is just the nature of endlinks with spherical bearings.

FWIW, I had this setup for roughly 20,000 miles and never had any trouble out of it (other than having to re-grease the bushings)....this includes an autox event and a weekend on a road course.
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Old 11-15-2004, 10:22 PM   #15
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Very cool, each comment like that makes me feel that much
better. I am starting to wonder though if the bar is "walking"
so I might end up getting some of the collars. Other than that,
I guess I need to realize that these endlinks are nomads.


I almost forgot to ask. Could these be installed wrong ?
The Perrin logo is facing inward and I have no clue which
is up or down ??? Which way do they go ? Thanks !!

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Old 11-16-2004, 01:36 AM   #16
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I almost forgot to ask. Could these be installed wrong ?
The Perrin logo is facing inward and I have no clue which
is up or down ??? Which way do they go ? Thanks !!
Doesn't matter. I had mine facing outwards, so you could see the Perrin 'bling' through the wheels =P
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Old 11-16-2004, 10:17 AM   #17
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Well, I talked to a guy over at Perrin via email and he stated
that it is not normal for the endlinks to touch or rub the sway bar,
so there is something wrong. I noticed that last night, that the driver
side endlink had actually scraped some paint of the bar. I just wish I knew what was causing these things to move around so much. Or maybe I should just shut the f u c up and order me some Kartboys.
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Old 11-16-2004, 11:58 AM   #18
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Well, I talked to a guy over at Perrin via email and he stated
that it is not normal for the endlinks to touch or rub the sway bar,
so there is something wrong. I noticed that last night, that the driver
side endlink had actually scraped some paint of the bar. I just wish I knew what was causing these things to move around so much. Or maybe I should just shut the f u c up and order me some Kartboys.
The sway bar is "walking" side to side. Go to home depot and buy a pair of 1 1/2" hose clamps. Clamp them on the inside or outside of the mounts and screwthem down hard. This will keep the bar from wondering from side to side and should keep the endlinks from contacting the bar.

THe endlinks will move side to side. I have perrin endlinks and they are always opposite eachother when I look at them.
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Old 11-16-2004, 12:42 PM   #19
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I checked the rear bar for "walking", and it is bolted to the heavy duty rear mounts that come with the rear sway bar, so in a way, it has it's own built-in collar. The bar does not budge at all, it is very stout and tight. I am starting to think that maybe the endlinks were installed incorrectly or backwards or something. I understand that the spherical bearing endlinks move, but they shouldn't be scraping paint off my brand new sway bar. I am gonna go back to the place that installed them and have them redo the install, or at least make sure everything is tight and where it should be.
Maybe there is a loose bolt or something that could fix this problem.
Or at least I am hoping.
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I checked the rear bar for "walking", and it is bolted to the heavy duty rear mounts that come with the rear sway bar, so in a way, it has it's own built-in collar. The bar does not budge at all, it is very stout and tight. I am starting to think that maybe the endlinks were installed incorrectly or backwards or something. I understand that the spherical bearing endlinks move, but they shouldn't be scraping paint off my brand new sway bar. I am gonna go back to the place that installed them and have them redo the install, or at least make sure everything is tight and where it should be.
Maybe there is a loose bolt or something that could fix this problem.
Or at least I am hoping.
You're not going to be able to move it with your hands.
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I'll probably get some collars just in case. Thanks for all the info guys !!
I appreciate it !!

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