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02-13-2013, 02:28 PM | #26 |
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02-13-2013, 03:10 PM | #28 |
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I don't know. If you had an ideal CVT, then I agree the peak power is all that matters, but since realistic transmission does not allow you to stay at a particular RPM, you end up covering some range in RPM and obviously that means you do care about the shape of the torque curve around the peak. Take for example the new turbo-4 that BMW is using to replace their NA I6. The peak powers are only ~10HP different, but the difference in acceleration is substantial thanks to the turbo midrange.
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02-13-2013, 03:50 PM | #29 |
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02-13-2013, 04:22 PM | #30 | ||
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that being said, I can't think of a car that falls out of its, say, top 2-3k RPMs when achieving max acceleration. In a car with a 7k RPM redline, when accelerating for maximum potential, you're not going to see less than 4-5k RPMs, after the takeoff. Even in small-turbo'd cars running out of steam at high RPMs. The peak torque you're making at 2k RPMs (or whatever, as stated by Scrappy, not even in the mid-range) means absolutely nothing then. Again, not saying it doesn't make for punchy around town driving, which is a great thing. And likely means a decent mid-range as well...also a great thing. But for outright 100% acceleration, what matters is the mid-upper and upper RPM range in todays cars with 5/6/7+ speed transmissions. Still have no idea why people like to describe low end power as torque, and high end power as power. It's all about 1. how much torque you're making at the crank, and 2. the rate at which you're applying that torque to the ground. They have a word for torque delivered over time (assuming logical gearing), it's called power. Quote:
They've seen dynos of 230 AT THE WHEELS on the N20. http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=593583 http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=646824 Last edited by SoapBox; 02-13-2013 at 04:44 PM. |
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02-15-2013, 06:17 PM | #31 |
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02-15-2013, 06:52 PM | #32 | |
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I should have said, its the torque and where in the RPM band it occurs So yeah, I am smarter than that. But I was lazy and did not clarify. Good catch. |
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Next-gen Volkswagen Golf R spied while running the 'Ring
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04-17-2013, 12:53 PM | #35 |
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04-17-2013, 01:11 PM | #36 |
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Windows that don't roll up result in a lower CoG.
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04-20-2013, 02:38 PM | #37 |
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It'll be the last bastion of manual transmission, Hatchified, and AWD goodness....
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04-20-2013, 02:55 PM | #38 |
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Subaru and MINI are still providing manual AWD hatches... but those are the only others.
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04-20-2013, 05:36 PM | #39 |
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04-20-2013, 09:15 PM | #40 |
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If the US spec is awd and 280 ponies at the currect R price plus a couple of grand I think I may get one? Especially if the WRX is as ugly as what we have seen so far.
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04-21-2013, 07:48 AM | #41 |
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The car would be totally interesting if it wasn't built by VW.
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04-21-2013, 08:20 AM | #42 | |||
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Yea VW needs to work on their reputation and it starts by building solid cars...I'm a bit apprehensive myself but I'm willing to take a chance on a new model and hopefully the warranty will help if something goes wrong. At this point in time its kind of no different than dealing with a Subaru ring land failure. |
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04-21-2013, 10:07 AM | #43 |
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That last sentence is exactly what I thought too Tuna. Why not try something different and give VW a chance. I can always sell an R quickly. THe resale is actually quite good.
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04-21-2013, 10:12 AM | #44 |
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I'd love to own one of these (under warranty only).
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04-21-2013, 10:48 PM | #45 |
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After doing a bit of research on the upcoming GTI, more specifically having an optional performance pack: I think that it would be great if this feature made its way over to the Golf R. While certainly more extreme enthusiasts will go with a APR or Revo flash, this is still something decent for those who want to keep their warranty's intact.
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04-21-2013, 11:20 PM | #46 |
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I knew what you meant, but I've been shopping for my step-dad. The (non-XT) Forester is leading the way right now.. but I looked for every car or CUV with a manual, AWD & a hatch.. and the pickings are disturbingly slim, even if you aren't looking for a performance car. I thought about a Golf R for him for about 10 minutes until I looked up the fuel mileage.
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04-22-2013, 12:18 AM | #47 | |
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Forester 2.5X or Cayenne VR6 6-speed AWD. Not much for AWD CUV/Wagon/Hatch with AWD. Wanting some ride height cuts down the selection further. I don't think Tiguan or Touareg are available with AWD and a manual gearbox together, Auto only, or Auto+AWD only. |
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04-22-2013, 12:43 AM | #48 |
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268 hp or 286?
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04-22-2013, 07:30 AM | #49 | |
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I believe 286 is more likely, because most articles are predicting them borrowing the same engine used in the Audi S3 which is pretty close to 300. We'll then get a model with the hp down rated to something like 280ish; but if you know VW or BMW, understating a cars power is something they do very often and if you only dyno them they come out to in many cases be much more than what was stated. This leads me to conclude 280ish stated but more like 290ish reality. |
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04-22-2013, 07:43 AM | #50 |
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Also, anyone heard of future R models being offered more like a trim than a special every 4 years offering? Thoughts?
I think that this will be good, and shows that VW will be competing directly with Subaru in the turbocharged, AWD market. This is something that has been understated until now, but you can see that VW is starting to take styling cues from Subaru: quad exhausts, exterior side panel badgings, and a larger trunk hatch spoiler. All signs point to a more sportier Golf R and who knows this if this becomes a sales success then it may open doors to future R models. |
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