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Old 09-30-2020, 12:56 PM   #2901
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We all know the $25k Tesla won’t happen. They’ll make a few perhaps, but it won’t be an option on the website. And when you call to order it they’ll tell you they’re only making the $28k ‘plus’ model, so that’s what you’ll have to order if you actually want to take delivery.
Per Elon, China will make an Asian-market small car and Berlin will make a Euro-market small car. If the US gets one, that could be awhile.
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Old 09-30-2020, 01:16 PM   #2902
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if they can do a whole car with a single casting, it might get down to a $20k small car. That is some really efficient manufacturing voodoo.

imagine getting rid of half these parts when they make your car. (helps a lot that it is an EV, too)
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Old 09-30-2020, 01:47 PM   #2903
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Is it normal for car manufacturers to shake out car parts in a parking lot (that is a construction site) like they're storing concrete blocks for a construction site? Those seem like parts that should be kept indoors, or at least protected from weather, no?

Maybe I have a false sense of what car manufacturing is, or maybe Tesla is really still just winging it... Given the quality issues I still see posted about regularly (composite wood trim to secure parts wtf), I'm thinking it's the latter. I can't believe people pay what they do for these cars.
They are out space at Fremont. Those are casted with a proprietary alloys that doesn't have to be heat treaded and has higher corrosion resistance than other standard casting alloys. The rear Model Y casting will be exposed to element all the time it includes a section or the rear under carriage, rear strut and spring mounts and wheel wells. Nevada, Shanghai, Texas and Berlin are state of the art factories.

Tesla's are a great deal IMO. You get the most efficient, safest, low maintenance, high performance and most technologically advanced cars on the road fairly priced compared to other EV and ICE counterparts.

Tesla's seems to work well as police cars :

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Old 09-30-2020, 02:01 PM   #2904
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Police vehicle that sees like 40k miles a year, but drives less than 300 miles a day, and can easily sit in a charger overnight can quickly recoupe up-front cost premium of EV... who knew

I can't actually think of a MORE ideal use-case for replacing ICE with EV. Kudos to them for pioneering. Ford and Government Motors will not be happy once this starts to pick up.
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Old 09-30-2020, 02:20 PM   #2905
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They are out space at Fremont. Those are casted with a proprietary alloys that doesn't have to be heat treaded and has higher corrosion resistance than other standard casting alloys. The rear Model Y casting will be exposed to element all the time it includes a section or the rear under carriage, rear strut and spring mounts and wheel wells. Nevada, Shanghai, Texas and Berlin are state of the art factories.
So it's cool to just leave these castings out in an active construction site. And that's appropriate for a car that costs up to 60k? People on this site are astounded when $30K cars are transported without plastic wrapping to protect paint, but cool with these hidden components being subject to what occurs on construction sites. Got it.

Out of space? Build a new space. Store the damn things in temporary trailers for all I care... This just reflects poorly on the company and the care they take in building and assembling these cars. I'll never buy one with their current direction anyway, so I'll slowly retreat... just had to comment on that, because car parts stored in an active construction site shouldn't be viewed as a net positive, imo.
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Old 09-30-2020, 02:47 PM   #2906
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You have absolutely no way of knowing anything surrounding that situation. Maybe they f'd up and overproduced for an hour and had them sit outside like that for an hour. Maybe even if they sit outside in the construction site for a week, they still end up perfectly fine and usable.

You're the type of person who is more inspired by FUD than by the reality (which you're incapable of knowing, so you resort to "BUT WHAT IF!?" from a single still frame picture.

Again, if it actually caused any issues, it shouldn't happen. If it didn't, then it doesn't really matter now does it?

As someone coming from a city that sees fit to store it's excess human population outside exposed to the elements, the irony is strong
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Old 09-30-2020, 03:02 PM   #2907
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That's only because they can't turn them into Soylent Green legally, yet.
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Old 09-30-2020, 03:56 PM   #2908
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Congrats. Let me know if you have any questions (former M3 and current MY owner)
Thanks I probably will, new to Tesla ownership.
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Old 09-30-2020, 05:02 PM   #2909
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You have absolutely no way of knowing anything surrounding that situation. Maybe they f'd up and overproduced for an hour and had them sit outside like that for an hour. Maybe even if they sit outside in the construction site for a week, they still end up perfectly fine and usable.

You're the type of person who is more inspired by FUD than by the reality (which you're incapable of knowing, so you resort to "BUT WHAT IF!?" from a single still frame picture.

Again, if it actually caused any issues, it shouldn't happen. If it didn't, then it doesn't really matter now does it?

As someone coming from a city that sees fit to store it's excess human population outside exposed to the elements, the irony is strong
How about you stop with the unjustified personal insults. You know nothing about me apart from my random comments on some message board. **** off.

Keshav posted one photo and said that it's great that these parts are being fabricated in a plant. Based on that same photo, I said that if they're so out of space that they need to store them, for however long, outdoors in an active construction site, that maybe it's not as good of a thing as they're making it out to be.

edit: respond objectively, just as I am, or consider this conversation over.

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Old 09-30-2020, 06:18 PM   #2910
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You have absolutely no way of knowing anything surrounding that situation. Maybe they f'd up and overproduced for an hour and had them sit outside like that for an hour. Maybe even if they sit outside in the construction site for a week, they still end up perfectly fine and usable.

You're the type of person who is more inspired by FUD than by the reality (which you're incapable of knowing, so you resort to "BUT WHAT IF!?" from a single still frame picture.

Again, if it actually caused any issues, it shouldn't happen. If it didn't, then it doesn't really matter now does it?

As someone coming from a city that sees fit to store it's excess human population outside exposed to the elements, the irony is strong
Good point...it could scrapped parts, test parts...who knows. People love speculating and hating on Tesla for no reason

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So it's cool to just leave these castings out in an active construction site. And that's appropriate for a car that costs up to 60k? People on this site are astounded when $30K cars are transported without plastic wrapping to protect paint, but cool with these hidden components being subject to what occurs on construction sites. Got it.

Out of space? Build a new space. Store the damn things in temporary trailers for all I care... This just reflects poorly on the company and the care they take in building and assembling these cars. I'll never buy one with their current direction anyway, so I'll slowly retreat... just had to comment on that, because car parts stored in an active construction site shouldn't be viewed as a net positive, imo.
"Their current direction" what does that even mean?
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Old 09-30-2020, 07:04 PM   #2911
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Good point...it could scrapped parts, test parts...who knows. People love speculating and hating on Tesla for no reason
But it's okay to speculate on the positive side? Just don't want to hear the negative possibilities? I'm not a tesla hater. I don't often chime in on this thread. It's mostly just entertaining for me. But some things stand out to me and I chime in then...

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Autonomous driving. Cool idea. I don't want it.
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Old 09-30-2020, 07:43 PM   #2912
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Old 09-30-2020, 08:48 PM   #2913
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But it's okay to speculate on the positive side? Just don't want to hear the negative possibilities? I'm not a tesla hater. I don't often chime in on this thread. It's mostly just entertaining for me. But some things stand out to me and I chime in then...


Autonomous driving. Cool idea. I don't want it.
I don't think there is a need to speculate about Tesla in a positive way any more their numbers speak for themselves. It seems that Q3 is going to be another record quarter. Everybody is going EV and autonomous and is not just Tesla....it might not happen within 10 years but it will happen and it will be forced on you even if you don't like it.
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Old 10-01-2020, 12:06 PM   #2914
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I don't think there is a need to speculate about Tesla in a positive way any more their numbers speak for themselves. It seems that Q3 is going to be another record quarter. Everybody is going EV and autonomous and is not just Tesla....it might not happen within 10 years but it will happen and it will be forced on you even if you don't like it.
EV is fine. I'm keeping my eye out for an EV that fits my desires. There isn't one out there yet.

Autonomous is great. It will provide a way for many to get around who otherwise can't. But it will never be the only way, not in our lifetime.

Tesla just ain't for me. I like the way they're pushing the industry forward though.
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Old 10-01-2020, 02:12 PM   #2915
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EV is fine. I'm keeping my eye out for an EV that fits my desires. There isn't one out there yet.

Autonomous is great. It will provide a way for many to get around who otherwise can't. But it will never be the only way, not in our lifetime.

Tesla just ain't for me. I like the way they're pushing the industry forward though.
you must be older.
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Old 10-01-2020, 02:24 PM   #2916
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you must be older.
Why does age have anything to do with it?

We can't just tell people that can barely afford the POS 20 year old car that they drive to their minimum wage job that they all of the sudden need to buy a new autonomous car in order to access publicly funded roads. It will take 100+ years for any switchover to autonomous only vehicles. Let alone the fact that autonomous driving is in its infancy and arguably not ready for real-time.
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Old 10-01-2020, 04:30 PM   #2917
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Why does age have anything to do with it?
Trying to figure that out myself. You made a valid point and shared a personal preference.
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Yeah, I mean, I'm not older, I'm in my 30's... I'm all for adapting new tech and all that stuff, but I also like driving, even boring cross country highway driving (I've crossed the country 5 times in a car or truck). It's great that it's pushing forward as it gives a lot of people, older, younger, and those with disabilities a way to get around. But I do not believe that autonomous driving will be "forced" on anyone in the next 100 years. Sure, maybe it becomes the only option in a vehicle like a Tesla, but not in every car made. And they're also not going to be able to require it for everyone for the reasons I stated above.
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The bigger question is whether personal vehicles have a future at all.
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Real trucks, sports cars, maybe some sedans, sure.


CUVís? Oh, **** no
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Old 10-01-2020, 05:45 PM   #2921
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The bigger question is whether personal vehicles have a future at all.
The honest answer is no. Personal vehicles like they exist today are unsustainable. But we're going to keep up the status quo until the earth says no more.
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Why does age have anything to do with it?

We can't just tell people that can barely afford the POS 20 year old car that they drive to their minimum wage job that they all of the sudden need to buy a new autonomous car in order to access publicly funded roads. It will take 100+ years for any switchover to autonomous only vehicles. Let alone the fact that autonomous driving is in its infancy and arguably not ready for real-time.
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Trying to figure that out myself. You made a valid point and shared a personal preference.
I was referring to his timeline. Eventually when autonomous driving works it will get mandated on all new cars just like seat belts and airbags. 100+ years is highly unlikely specially in the USA. Statistically on highways the crappy Tesla system is already better than humans.
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Yeah, 100 years until autonomous vehicles? I'll go 10, tops.
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Yeah, 100 years until autonomous vehicles? I'll go 10, tops.
Not 100 years until we have autonomous vehicles, but 100 years until consumers are forced to own and use only autonomous vehicles.

I don't know what bubble you guys live in, but only 12% of americans would consider riding in an autonomous vehicle according to a AAA study. There's no way that these things will be mandated in 10 years. Sorry, but that's just plain unrealistic.

Safety features like emergency braking etc. yes. Absolutely. Completely autonomous driving to the point that I am "forced" to own one... never. Not in my life time.

It's cool if you want to keep drinking that cool-aid... I like that the tech is being pushed forward. Maybe at some point in my life I'll want it - injury or just slow motor skills from aging. But It's not going to be "forced" on me.
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Yeah, 100 years until autonomous vehicles? I'll go 10, tops.
Pretty sure he meant until everyone could afford to own either a new or used autonomous vehicle.

100 years might be a stretch but but 50 years out seems rather plausible for full conversion.
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