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Old 04-18-2020, 10:31 PM   #26
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Had killer b set up for 5+ years . Same pick up on 3rd motor just clean and reuse amazing product! So as the pan clean and reuse. Only this I would love for killer b to do is to go away will silicone and use o ring around the pan for that would be amazing!
Nah, Fujibond or sealer will outlast any O-ring made currently.
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Old 04-18-2020, 10:34 PM   #27
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Went with the IAG pickup and Killer B tray. Spoke with my tuner and he advised away from the pickup as he has seen defects that would have caused engine failure.

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He didn’t give a specific but he has built a good amount of engines and is known nationwide and I trust his advise.
Without specifics as Judge Judy says hearsay, don't even mention it AT ALL. Moving on........
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Old 04-18-2020, 10:44 PM   #28
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Nah, Fujibond or sealer will outlast any O-ring made currently.
^ This is 100% true. There were a couple companies that did an o-ring groove and they were both horrible; many complains of leaks at the mating surface. Modern adhesives do a great job. If done properly, the bolts don't really do anything except hold it all together until the adhesive gasket cures.
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Old 04-19-2020, 03:58 AM   #29
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Without specifics as Judge Judy says hearsay, don't even mention it AT ALL. Moving on........


If my tuner would like to discuss this with them that is on them. As I stated I trust their advise. He doesn’t seem to have brand loyalty. Take your own advise and move on.
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Old 04-19-2020, 08:50 AM   #30
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Had killer b set up for 5+ years . Same pick up on 3rd motor just clean and reuse amazing product! So as the pan clean and reuse. Only this I would love for killer b to do is to go away will silicone and use o ring around the pan for that would be amazing!
Cooper o-ring will never leak...
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Old 04-19-2020, 09:33 AM   #31
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I'm aware of one key difference between KillerB and IAG. IAG won't get into this thread and spread there propaganda, and tell you why their product is better. KillerB will do just that. Search this forum and see how many times they've done it, and the squabbles they've had with another fabricator/vendor.
Lol. I'm pretty sure they search their own name a few times a day and make sure to post in every single thread that mentions KillerB. I liked them at first, bought two sets of pans, trays and pickups, but eventually just got sick of their tactics and prices. You'd think after having their 8 inches in the Subaru community for 15 years they'd finally pull a few out and give a price break but they just keep hammering away and come out with $500 AOS' .
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Cooper o-ring will never leak...
Works well with a 90ft/lb head stud, but the 8ft/lb M6 probably doesn't have enough ass behind it to work well. Interesting idea though. Tought to get around all the bolt holes too.

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Lol. I'm pretty sure they search their own name a few times a day and make sure to post in every single thread that mentions KillerB. I liked them at first, bought two sets of pans, trays and pickups, but eventually just got sick of their tactics and prices. You'd think after having their 8 inches in the Subaru community for 15 years they'd finally pull a few out and give a price break but they just keep hammering away and come out with $500 AOS' .
I think we're the last of a few manufacturers that still support nasioc. Social media has really taken over for marketing products. I prefer the forums myself. I check a couple of times a day, but don't post in every thread our name pops up in, I'd get nothing else done if I did.

FWIW, our prices have done nothing but come down as we've brought more processes in house. For example, our AOS starts at $339 now. Try to remember, I'm an engineer and started KBM out of my garage. The economies of scale were different then, than they are for us now. The only time we do have price increases are when material costs go up. We've had to make large purposes to try to reduce this as much as possible, but the tarrifs lately have certainly had an effect.

8", lol... I wish!!
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Old 04-19-2020, 03:49 PM   #33
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Works well with a 90ft/lb head stud, but the 8ft/lb M6 probably doesn't have enough ass behind it to work well. Interesting idea though.

There’s shouldn’t be any pressure, silicone seals great no questions there however extremely suck to clean up block and pan, I would pay extra $100 for pan if it was well o-ringed
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If my tuner would like to discuss this with them that is on them. As I stated I trust their advise. He doesn’t seem to have brand loyalty. Take your own advise and move on.
My shop is an IAG certified engine installer and they use killer B oil pan, pickup, and baffle regularly. Sounds like this guys tuner just dislikes killer B for some reason.
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There’s shouldn’t be any pressure, silicone seals great no questions there however extremely suck to clean up block and pan,
I couldn't agree more. I have literally hung all 200 pounds of myself off the dipstick tube trying to get a pan off. They are ON there. Prybars or a deadblow works best IMO.

For years I resisted the 'gasket scraper' tool, but must admit, it's worth every penny. I should have bought it years ago. Between that and a wire wheel it can be done in about 10 minutes once the pan is off

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the theory is great, but here's the problem with that... They leak. They all leak. Two brands have been down that road with poor results. We tried it as well and got the same results. I guess you have to pick your poison; the pain in the ass removal, or leaks

If it makes you feel better, our pan has a threaded hole in it specifically for removal. You install a bolt into this threaded hole and it pops the gasket/block seal. Makes the removal almost effortless. Even better; all the knock-off pans coming out have copied this feature of ours.
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Works well with a 90ft/lb head stud, but the 8ft/lb M6 probably doesn't have enough ass behind it to work well. Interesting idea though. Tought to get around all the bolt holes too.



I think we're the last of a few manufacturers that still support nasioc. Social media has really taken over for marketing products. I prefer the forums myself. I check a couple of times a day, but don't post in every thread our name pops up in, I'd get nothing else done if I did.

FWIW, our prices have done nothing but come down as we've brought more processes in house. For example, our AOS starts at $339 now. Try to remember, I'm an engineer and started KBM out of my garage. The economies of scale were different then, than they are for us now. The only time we do have price increases are when material costs go up. We've had to make large purposes to try to reduce this as much as possible, but the tarrifs lately have certainly had an effect.

8", lol... I wish!!
You sir, should have went into politics. It's always the same play book. "Material cost went up" "we get top of the line SS" "our CNC machine was X amount of dollars" "I'm an engineer" "started in my garage"

So did everyone and their mothers . Every tech company started on their garage, and the first computers cost a fortune. Now they're so cheap you can literally throw a laptop away every week. Prices are supposed to drop exponentially. If your cnc machine was 20,000-100,000, it would have only taken 20 to 100 headers sold to completely pay it off and free roll every product made out of it afterwards. You sold that many headers in just a single month. Not to mention, you're not some big motorsport company. You aren't making camshafts, cam gears, closed deck blocks, full exhaust systems. You make accessories. Coolant tanks, AOS, washer reservoirs. Your prices are ridiculous and the way you are ALWAYS right and always have some rebuttal or some weak excuse is even more so. Your price tags were a turn off but your replies to everything were what sealed the deal on me, personally, never wanting to support your company ever again. Kartboy started out the same and they never went mad and put $500 price tags on their endlinks. They kept everything reasonable. $253 for this joke https://www.killerbmotorsport.net/du...5-wrx-sti.html that should be priced at $80 . $30 part priced at $119 https://www.killerbmotorsport.net/du...g-adapter.html

The price of aluminum has crashed https://markets.businessinsider.com/...aluminum-price . It costs you pennies to make this **** now. Heck, you prob don't even have to buy aluminum, it's so low people are prob paying you to take their aluminum off their hands lol

I'll wait for you to say I'm wrong, you're right, and repeat the same excuse you have been for the last decade about your garage and the cost of materials again.

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...Your prices are ridiculous...
A little off topic but I really disagree with you and the whole Killer B rant. Have you seen what full-race charges? Lets compare headers. Full Race header cost the same as killer B, its a worse design, lesser quality materials (I assume), you have to pay extra for an o2 bung, no option for EGT, and you don't even get an up-pipe. Did you see that other thread where the killer B made 50whp over a 4-2-1 EL header.

Killer Bee is giving us free up-pipes and 50 wheel horse!! If anything they should charge more!! Lol. You honestly get what you pay for.

Lets be real, Killer B prices are very reasonable.
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You sir, should have went into politics. It's always the same play book. "Material cost went up" "we get top of the line SS" "our CNC machine was X amount of dollars" "I'm an engineer" "started in my garage"

So did everyone and their mothers . Every tech company started on their garage, and the first computers cost a fortune. Now they're so cheap you can literally throw a laptop away every week. Prices are supposed to drop exponentially. If your cnc machine was 20,000-100,000, it would have only taken 20 to 100 headers sold to completely pay it off and free roll every product made out of it afterwards. You sold that many headers in just a single month. Not to mention, you're not some big motorsport company. You aren't making camshafts, cam gears, closed deck blocks, full exhaust systems. You make accessories. Coolant tanks, AOS, washer reservoirs. Your prices are ridiculous and the way you are ALWAYS right and always have some rebuttal or some weak excuse is even more so. Your price tags were a turn off but your replies to everything were what sealed the deal on me, personally, never wanting to support your company ever again. Kartboy started out the same and they never went mad and put $500 price tags on their endlinks. They kept everything reasonable. $253 for this joke https://www.killerbmotorsport.net/du...5-wrx-sti.html that should be priced at $80 . $30 part priced at $119 https://www.killerbmotorsport.net/du...g-adapter.html

The price of aluminum has crashed https://markets.businessinsider.com/...aluminum-price . It costs you pennies to make this **** now. Heck, you prob don't even have to buy aluminum, it's so low people are prob paying you to take their aluminum off their hands lol

I'll wait for you to say I'm wrong, you're right, and repeat the same excuse you have been for the last decade about your garage and the cost of materials again.
The great thing is you don't need to buy their products. Stop being a dick head and move along. You can block his posts if you don't like him.
Are you in quarantine or something?
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Old 04-20-2020, 08:10 AM   #39
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You sir, should have went into politics.
See that's just mean and implies I lie to your face with a smile.

I'm obviously not going to change your mind on anything here, but for those who don't follow manufacturing and industry, there are always two sides to a story.

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So did everyone and their mothers . Every tech company started on their garage, and the first computers cost a fortune. Now they're so cheap you can literally throw a laptop away every week.
I'm not sure where you're going with comparing us to tech companies that bulk buy in the 100K+ parts at a time for their assemblies. The economies of scale are VERY different. If we sold 100K of anything, we sure as heck would make them very differently as the revenue would support very different processes with improved productivity.

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If your cnc machine was 20,000-100,000, it would have only taken 20 to 100 headers sold to completely pay it off and free roll every product made out of it afterwards. You sold that many headers in just a single month.
Our VF3SS 5-Axis was $178K and it's not going to be paid off for many years. I wish we could pay it off in a month! Heck I wish we could pay it off in 5 years! We sold ~516 headers last year: EJ and FA combined. I love the image that you paint of us rolling in dough over here. I wish it were true.

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Your prices are ridiculous and the way you are ALWAYS right and always have some rebuttal or some weak excuse is even more so. Your price tags were a turn off but your replies to everything were what sealed the deal on me, personally, never wanting to support your company ever again.
Your mind is set. I get that, and don't have a problem with it. Good, bad, or otherwise, everyone has a reason they feel the way they do... but aren't you calling the kettle black here by even responding?

If someone is looking for information, fitment, details, install questions, comparisons, how things are made, design questions, why it costs what it costs, when is there going to be a sale, why it sucked, how it was made wrong, why it broke, reviews, etc.... Then shouldn't the guy making the part be able to offer a response, explanation, share knowledge, verification, compare, debate, etc., as needed? I was under the impression that's was part of the reason why vendors paid to be here.

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$253 for this joke https://www.killerbmotorsport.net/du...5-wrx-sti.html that should be priced at $80 . $30 part priced at $119 https://www.killerbmotorsport.net/du...g-adapter.html
The GD reservoir is made of 9 different parts (plus 5 OTS parts), and has 110 inches of welding on it. For comparison, our oil pan has 120 inches of weld on it. Laser cutting, forming cnc lathe, welding, powder coating, assembly, and inspecting, are all the processes involved. I wouldn't say joke expensive, but it is a part I've always wished we could find a way to make less expensive. Our pricing formula is what it is.

The Dual Breather Fitting has a decent amount of CNC machining (multiple setups), CNC lathe for the barb fittings, welding, powder coat, and inspecting. Again, this is a part I wish we could make for less, and one of the reasons we don't sell many of them. It is what it is.

I don't know where you got your costs from for our parts, but if we sold at those prices... well let me back up even more here... we can't even make them for those prices.

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The price of aluminum has crashed https://markets.businessinsider.com/...aluminum-price . It costs you pennies to make this **** now. Heck, you prob don't even have to buy aluminum, it's so low people are prob paying you to take their aluminum off their hands lol
So just to offer some insight here, we buy our raw materials once or twice a year depending on the product or volume. So a one or multi month market crash, correction, or whatever you want to tall it does nothing for us. Not only that, you're quoting commodity prices. It takes into consideration nothing for the additional processes needed to get he materials to where they are a usable product: pouring, rolling, forging, forming, heat treating, etc...

Some further insight... As many know we use only US sourced materials. Some would think this would shield us from the recent tariffs and keep prices stable? I made that incorrect assumption myself. It actually drove domestic material prices up, some by a lot, because markets that are buying based on saving a few dollars no matter where the material comes from suddenly started buying US materials when the tariffs raised the overseas prices. The increased domestic material demand drove prices up here

I'll make a generalization and blanket statement here... Over time materials prices, labor prices, equipment prices, consumable prices, and so on... all go up. Cars, homes, electronics, etc. all cost more now than they did 10, 20, and 30 years ago.

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I'll wait for you to say I'm wrong, you're right, and repeat the same excuse you have been for the last decade about your garage and the cost of materials again.
You posted not expecting a response? Is an explanation an excuse? I think my response over the years has been the same because we've not changed how we do things.

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The computers are cheap now because it took them over 50 years of research and sales. Im sure after 50 years KillerBee will sell their AOS for $100 or less. For a price drop the company needs to grow, and for a company to grow they need to sell at a higher price at first.

A person who has 2 business and a full time job we still live paycheck to paycheck. People dont realize that just because you have a business, doesn't mean you have a Farrier in the garage.

Im not a KillerBee fan boy but yes i have bought, used, and like their products. KillerBee is one of a VERY few that is dedicated to the Subie world in the states and actually spend the time and money for R&D to make sure we have products are are worth what we pay for with data to back it up. Cant say that for many companies.

Foo Blyat, not to pick sides but im sure you use a IPhone or a Mac, so why not go after apple who sell you a $1000 phone that cost them $10 to make. Not saying your thinking is wrong, there are companies out there operating the way you say but i don't see Killer Bee being one of them.
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You sir, should have went into politics. It's always the same play book. "Material cost went up" "we get top of the line SS" "our CNC machine was X amount of dollars" "I'm an engineer" "started in my garage"

So did everyone and their mothers . Every tech company started on their garage, and the first computers cost a fortune. Now they're so cheap you can literally throw a laptop away every week. Prices are supposed to drop exponentially. If your cnc machine was 20,000-100,000, it would have only taken 20 to 100 headers sold to completely pay it off and free roll every product made out of it afterwards. You sold that many headers in just a single month. Not to mention, you're not some big motorsport company. You aren't making camshafts, cam gears, closed deck blocks, full exhaust systems. You make accessories. Coolant tanks, AOS, washer reservoirs. Your prices are ridiculous and the way you are ALWAYS right and always have some rebuttal or some weak excuse is even more so. Your price tags were a turn off but your replies to everything were what sealed the deal on me, personally, never wanting to support your company ever again. Kartboy started out the same and they never went mad and put $500 price tags on their endlinks. They kept everything reasonable. $253 for this joke https://www.killerbmotorsport.net/du...5-wrx-sti.html that should be priced at $80 . $30 part priced at $119 https://www.killerbmotorsport.net/du...g-adapter.html

The price of aluminum has crashed https://markets.businessinsider.com/...aluminum-price . It costs you pennies to make this **** now. Heck, you prob don't even have to buy aluminum, it's so low people are prob paying you to take their aluminum off their hands lol

I'll wait for you to say I'm wrong, you're right, and repeat the same excuse you have been for the last decade about your garage and the cost of materials again.
You're a shmuck.

If KB's prices are too high then don't buy their products.

If you think you can do a better job then start your own company and bring innovative, effective products to the market.

Stop whining about how you can't afford their products on your minimum wage.

You gotta pay to play and the number, quality, and sales of products by KB indicate you a very wrong.
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Lol. I'm pretty sure they search their own name a few times a day and make sure to post in every single thread that mentions KillerB. I liked them at first, bought two sets of pans, trays and pickups, but eventually just got sick of their tactics and prices. You'd think after having their 8 inches in the Subaru community for 15 years they'd finally pull a few out and give a price break but they just keep hammering away and come out with $500 AOS' .
Please provide the link to your $250 AOS. I'll buy two.
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I am going to be changing the oil pick up tube on my vehicle and I see there are a couple options for a replacement windage tray also. I am between the iag and killer b. I know they are both very reputable companies just wondering if anyone has had any negative issues with either. The iag has some rubber (Viton) flappers my concern is one coming out and clogging pickup. Any experience would be greatly appreciated.
Have you checked out Tomei Baffle (windage) and block stiffener (it's made out of steel and not aluminum)?

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Have you checked out Tomei Baffle (windage) and block stiffener (it's made out of steel and not aluminum)?

interesting, in the Tomei catalog it says it's for EJ20/EJ25 but on rallysportdirect website it states it's only for the EJ20....
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Stop whining about how you can't afford their products on your minimum wage.

You gotta pay to play and the number, quality, and sales of products by KB indicate you a very wrong.


15 years, 02 wrx build, 05 aw sti build, 07 sti ugm build, 05 track sti build and 05 sg Forester sti build https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sea...rchid=63278230 with easily over $250,000 spent. But sure, I can't afford this hobby and you can with your one 2000 RS build https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho....php?t=2587883 and then the 2015 sti you had to sell https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho....php?t=2915254

Stop projecting your own insecurities onto me.


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That's the one I would buy. Made by an actual motorsport company
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That's the one I would buy. Made by an actual motorsport company
You will love their new FA UEL header then, it's YUGE!

That thin sheetmetal 'stiffening' plate must be made from magic if it can keep (5) 1" thick aluminum main webs from flexing
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You will love their new FA UEL header then, it's YUGE!

That thin sheetmetal 'stiffening' plate must be made from magic if it can keep (5) 1" thick aluminum main webs from flexing
needs that subie rumble lmao
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Old 04-22-2020, 09:10 AM   #48
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You sir, should have went into politics. It's always the same play book. "Material cost went up" "we get top of the line SS" "our CNC machine was X amount of dollars" "I'm an engineer" "started in my garage"

So did everyone and their mothers . Every tech company started on their garage, and the first computers cost a fortune. Now they're so cheap you can literally throw a laptop away every week. Prices are supposed to drop exponentially. If your cnc machine was 20,000-100,000, it would have only taken 20 to 100 headers sold to completely pay it off and free roll every product made out of it afterwards. You sold that many headers in just a single month. Not to mention, you're not some big motorsport company. You aren't making camshafts, cam gears, closed deck blocks, full exhaust systems. You make accessories. Coolant tanks, AOS, washer reservoirs. Your prices are ridiculous and the way you are ALWAYS right and always have some rebuttal or some weak excuse is even more so. Your price tags were a turn off but your replies to everything were what sealed the deal on me, personally, never wanting to support your company ever again. Kartboy started out the same and they never went mad and put $500 price tags on their endlinks. They kept everything reasonable. $253 for this joke https://www.killerbmotorsport.net/du...5-wrx-sti.html that should be priced at $80 . $30 part priced at $119 https://www.killerbmotorsport.net/du...g-adapter.html

The price of aluminum has crashed https://markets.businessinsider.com/...aluminum-price . It costs you pennies to make this **** now. Heck, you prob don't even have to buy aluminum, it's so low people are prob paying you to take their aluminum off their hands lol

I'll wait for you to say I'm wrong, you're right, and repeat the same excuse you have been for the last decade about your garage and the cost of materials again.
Well this might come as a surprise but despite some of our differences in opinion I'm going to have to back up Killer Bee on this topic since we are in fairly similar fields despite totally different customer bases/product types.

FooBling, you have LESS THAN no clue what it costs to operate a manufacturing business in this country. There isn't even one single point you made that was even partially realistic.

I highlighted the most idiotic of things you said above, which was tough to decide because there were so many idiotic statements in that blathering. You seriously think you can buy an asset like a CNC and sell 20 or 100 headers and then "free roll" everything off it from then on????? If it were that simple there would be machine shops everywhere instead of machine shops going out of business everywhere.

Your analysis of what parts "should" cost is so remedial I don't even know where to begin. You are clearly a guy who just associates the cost of anything to what a 'similar' product would cost coming from China where they use garbage material, garbage workmanship, pay their people wages that would downright cause public riots in this country, spend ZERO in insurance because you don't need insurance when you hang your workers out to dry if they get hurt and don't follow any business ethics laws anyway, provide zero health care, etc etc etc.

And aluminum?????? I buy aluminum every day dude, I ASSURE you the price has not plummeted. We aren't talking about empty soda cans genius, go and buy some 5083 or 6061 with certs and let us know how that works out.
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15 years, 02 wrx build, 05 aw sti build, 07 sti ugm build, 05 track sti build and 05 sg Forester sti build https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sea...rchid=63278230 with easily over $250,000 spent. But sure, I can't afford this hobby and you can with your one 2000 RS build https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho....php?t=2587883 and then the 2015 sti you had to sell https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho....php?t=2915254

Stop projecting your own insecurities onto me.




That's the one I would buy. Made by an actual motorsport company
So I followed your link to check out those cars you built (I mean who doesn't wanta see 5 Subaru's with $250k invested into them???) But I just found 475 wtb/fs threads, one that you took a "tune only" car to the track and no build documentation. You have that stuff posted someplace else? Be interested to see whatever heppened to them all and such.

As for the windage tray topic. I have run the KB for years, honestly had the first one crack (after like 7 years) but never found out until I pulled the engine to add sleeves. That being said they took care of me and got me a new part quickly. They even started to express concern for my engine, I quickly told them it was as healthy as ever and I was happy with their service quality.

Lol, rtv900 the aluminum thing got me pretty good. If cost followed that investment analysis chart we would be buying material for the next 10 years at our manufacturing facility. The price has actually been going up on the specific aluminum sheets we buy, the availability is the issue right now. My family has been doing it for 40+ years, its hard to understand manufacturing unless you have been around it.
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Old 04-22-2020, 09:57 AM   #50
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15 years, 02 wrx build, 05 aw sti build, 07 sti ugm build, 05 track sti build and 05 sg Forester sti build https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sea...rchid=63278230 with easily over $250,000 spent. But sure, I can't afford this hobby and you can with your one 2000 RS build https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho....php?t=2587883 and then the 2015 sti you had to sell https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho....php?t=2915254

Stop projecting your own insecurities onto me.






That's the one I would buy. Made by an actual motorsport company

Dude, come on. The link you posted is garbage. 1st one is your for sale links, Love your name and all but Не пизди.

Hell my heavily modded 2000 Ford Focus ZTS had 350whp before i got my STi. And for a 2000 focus to push out 350 whp that was A LOT of money to make happen. Dont ask.

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