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Old 11-18-2020, 02:13 PM   #201
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Redline at about 7,500.




Another car killing the analog tach and speedometer.
You're right. The tach pretty clearly looks to redline at 7500rpm. Tom Doll's crack group of marketing people seem to have ****ed up the press release in addition to letting their servers go offline at launch.
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Old 11-18-2020, 02:16 PM   #202
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Old 11-18-2020, 02:21 PM   #203
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The 2.5RS is back!

Well, the torquey, large displacement, NA, 2900lb Subaru is back, at least.

This one doesn't sound like (and I'm purely taking about intake/exhaust note) it hates life near redline like the FA20 did.. I'm hoping the rotary sound is a sign that it breathes easily to redline (the power figure suggests that it breathes pretty well for a fat boxer piston).

Styling looks great to me. I agree the front fenders looked odd in those first publicity shots, but those are all high contrast low angle shots. It looks great from normal height and more even lighting.

CHML being mounted in the trunk lid rather than in the rear window is a welcome change.

Interior looks fine and I'm glad they didn't do the horrible tablet like the Legacy.

I wish they'd incorporated a front and rear dashcam with track overlay like the Corvette. They could use the same camera for a dumbed down (non-stereo) eyesight for LKA, coupled with a front radar for cruise control to round out the road trip livability... but that's just nitpicking.

Are the wheels still 17"? [edit: I see that was answered. 215s on 18s.. lol. At least they aren't 20s (CTR)]

I think it's safe to assume that the improvements to the chassis are directly from the SGP. Can anyone fill me in on what suspension changes were made to the Impreza for the SGP? I've heard a lot of positive marketing speak, but haven't driven one yet or seen any breakdowns of suspension upgrades. Are they still using the vertical tennis ball LCA bushing? How is the power steering rack configured on the new cars?
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Old 11-18-2020, 02:23 PM   #204
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^^ 17 on the base and 18 on the limited.
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Old 11-18-2020, 02:27 PM   #205
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I love it. First new car for which I'd consider trading in my ticking time bomb 996 (which I love).
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Old 11-18-2020, 02:57 PM   #206
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The old BRZ in case anyone is wondering:

Power: 205 hp @ 7000 rpm
Torque: 156 lb-ft @ 6400 rpm

I think the new one is going to feel like a torque monster compared to the old one. Almost 30 lb-ft more coming almost 3000rpm sooner is going to make for an entirely different driving experience.
Yep - this is pretty huge. Torque @ 3,700rpm = way better drivability too. Don't have to wrap the car out to get everywhere either.

Obviously nothing like DIT where peak torque is 1,400-1,800rpm, but HUGE improvement. That right there may be the thing that makes this thing a winner for me - we'll see.

I sure hope Subaru doesn't screw up the option packages on these.

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Full functioning LED goodness headlights
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The ability to add the top headunit to the base model without having to go Limited, as it's getting near impossbile to replace headunits in Subarus now.

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Old 11-18-2020, 02:58 PM   #207
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The 2.5RS is back!


I agree! Although that has been my feeling ever since I got behind the wheel of a BRZ for the very first time. This new gen will just further reinforce that!
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Old 11-18-2020, 03:13 PM   #208
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Redline at about 7,500.




Another car killing the analog tach and speedometer.
I mean, in the existing cars the dials may be physical dials and look analog, but the data feeding them is going to be from the ECU, which is going to be digital.

it's not like there's a cable attached from the back of the tach to a gear on the engine that moves the tach needle based on how fast that cable is spinning. I don't think cars have had anything like this in half a century.

the ECU knows the RPM from some hall effect sensor on some rotating mass on the engine, so it feeds a number to the dial. the dial knows that the number it is fed correlates to a location of the arm within it's sweep distance and it goes to that location. the number the dial reads is probably a floating point between 0 and 1. if the value it gets from the ECU is 0 the dial moves to 0. if the value it gets from the ECU is 1 it moves to 9000. if the value it gets is .5 it moves to 4500.

I mean, analog sweep displays... sure, it's sad to see it go, but aside from it looking analog, it's simply an analog look for the digital data it is being fed.
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Old 11-18-2020, 03:13 PM   #209
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In a ride along video, Scott Speed indicates the torque dip seems to be gone.
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Old 11-18-2020, 03:14 PM   #210
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I agree! Although that has been my feeling ever since I got behind the wheel of a BRZ for the very first time. This new gen will just further reinforce that!
I call my BRZ a 2.0 RS

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In a ride along video, Scott Speed indicates the torque dip seems to be gone.
https://youtu.be/LEEfzAQBCWo
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Old 11-18-2020, 03:25 PM   #211
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In a ride along video, Scott Speed indicates the torque dip seems to be gone.
https://youtu.be/LEEfzAQBCWo
That looks a lot better in the video and it sounds pretty nice too. If this car is fun to drive and somewhat fast feeling on the street I think the ts version will be perfect for me.
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Old 11-18-2020, 03:50 PM   #212
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I like it. The current car always looked pretty nice and this is a nice evolution making it look more modern and clean. My only disappointment is that the interior looks a little too similar to the current one. I get that it's the same platform but it would have been nice to maybe change the dash design a little more like Nissan did with the 400Z. I really hope they nailed the engine as that's going to determine the ultimate success of this car.
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Old 11-18-2020, 04:05 PM   #213
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Redline at about 7,500.




Another car killing the analog tach and speedometer.
If your concern is just the visual (not the lack of a physical needle/dial), that image is in Track Mode. When driving normally it has a digital sweeping needle for tachometer.
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Old 11-18-2020, 04:07 PM   #214
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I know they "aren't in the same class" but...
ND2 Miata - 181hp w/7,500rpm redline @~2,400lbs
BRZ Ver.2 - 228hp w/7,500rpm redline @ ~2,900lbs

Certainly seems like BRZ Ver.2 was targeting the Miata. If I were looking for this kind of car, I'd have to drive both at this point, where with the prior gen BRZ it was Miata hands down.

To the digital dash discussion - I've got one in my IS, it's quick/doesn't lag, it's as bright as I want it to be, and has a ma-hu-sive tach with the speed displayed in the center. If you're worried about digital speedo & tach, test drive one and watch it; I'm not saying all manu's can get it right, but since the BRZ/86 share the cluster, I'm sure it's good, otherwise Toyota wouldn't have gone for it.
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Old 11-18-2020, 04:10 PM   #215
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I know they "aren't in the same class" but...
ND2 Miata - 181hp w/7,500rpm redline @~2,400lbs
BRZ Ver.2 - 228hp w/7,500rpm redline @ ~2,900lbs

Certainly seems like BRZ Ver.2 was targeting the Miata. If I were looking for this kind of car, I'd have to drive both at this point, where with the prior gen BRZ it was Miata hands down.
I think the new BRZ was targeting what the old BRZ would have been had they not needed to cut so many corners in order to sell it as a cheap Scion model.

The old BRZ had almost the exact same weight and the same redline as the new one. This one just looks like they spent money on the details.
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Old 11-18-2020, 04:18 PM   #216
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Looks like a mini RC-F, which is a good thing. Healthy power bump. Good weight and dimensions. Not much to dislike out of the refresh knowing that the existence of the Supra 4 banger wouldn't allow for a turbo.
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Old 11-18-2020, 04:28 PM   #217
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Glad to see that it didn't gain too much weight compared to the current gen. But still a good ~350-400 lbs heavier than the ND2 Miata RF.

2022 curb weights:
Premium (manual): 2815 lbs
Limited (manual): 2835 lbs
Premium (auto): 2864 lbs
Limited (auto): 2881 lbs

2020 curb weights:
Limited (manual): 2798 lbs
Limited /Performance Pack (manual): 2817 lbs
BRZ tS: 2,833 lbs
Limited (auto): 2840 lbs

Compared to the Gen 1 and ND2 Miata:

Power-to-weight for the lightest models:
BRZ Gen1: 2798 lbs/205 hp = 13.65 lbs/hp
ND2 Miata: 2341 lbs/181 hp = 12.93 lbs/hp
BRZ Gen2: 2815 lbs/228 hp = 12.35 lbs/hp

And then of course the new found torque:
BRZ Gen1: 156 lb-ft @ 6400 RPM
ND2 Miata: 151 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM
BRZ Gen2: 184 lb-ft @ 3,700 RPM
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Old 11-18-2020, 04:29 PM   #218
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I was kind of disappointed in the weight. Several hundred pounds more than a miata.
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Old 11-18-2020, 04:29 PM   #219
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Looking through the pictures on the SOA media page I gather the digital cluster is in the Limited. In a shot of the interior you can see the silver paint in the side view. Then in the close up of the wheel (also silver paint) you can see its 18" which is what the Limited comes with. Not sure if they will be in the base model so it maybe possible for those that don't like them to op out.

Personally, after driving my buddy's RS3 with the full digital gauges I don't see why anyone would dislike them.
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Old 11-18-2020, 04:33 PM   #220
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I'm not sure why people are bummed about the weight. It was totally unreasonable to expect this parts bin 2+2 car to weigh anything near the bespoke chassis 2 seater Miata. Subaru should be commended for not allowing the weight to go up 200 pounds, despite adding a heavier engine.

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Compared to the Gen 1 and ND2 Miata:

Power-to-weight for the lightest models:
BRZ Gen1: 2798 lbs/205 hp = 13.65 lbs/hp
ND2 Miata: 2341 lbs/181 hp = 12.93 lbs/hp
BRZ Gen2: 2815 lbs/228 hp = 12.35 lbs/hp
The old BRZ was a great track/auto-x car and this new one looks to be even better. The only question is where does SCCA class the 2022 BRZ because it looks like an overdog compared to the outgoing model.
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Old 11-18-2020, 04:59 PM   #221
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Looks like the torque dip has mostly been eliminated and it has a significantly better powerband:


Gen2:



Gen1:
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Old 11-18-2020, 05:02 PM   #222
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I have my complaints, but you can't argue the improvements over the previous gen and it makes it competitive in it's segment. It'll will make a lot of folks happy and giddy, but I just won't be one of them . I kind of liked the curves on the previous gen better.. too much Z, Supra, RC mashed up in the rear end of this thing.
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Old 11-18-2020, 05:13 PM   #223
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Looks like the torque dip has mostly been eliminated and it has a significantly better powerband:


Gen2:



Gen1:
Much better. It looks like there's something intrinsic to this motor that causes the torque dip. I thought it was just standard ****ty Subaru tuning. In any case, the torque curve is very flat from 4K-7K RPM.

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Old 11-18-2020, 05:22 PM   #224
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I think we even see the dip in Ryan's on track video @ 5:07 before he asks about the gear ratios. Dat shift and buuuuuuuUHHH.

This engine is all new. Why they're seeing the exact same issue at the exact same RPM has got to be by design. They design it that way. Counter intuitive to wanting a linear NA power band vs lag of a turbo engine, but it's their baby. Get what we get. Dip don't lie on that graph.
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