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Old 07-18-2018, 12:16 PM   #1
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Default ID 1050x Injectors CARB Legal?

Been doing a good deal of research lately as I'll be moving from Virginia (a state with almost literally no emissions laws) to California (the emissions Nazis of the country) with a moderately modified STI in a few months. I currently have ID 1050x injectors installed on my car and I'm having a hell of a time trying to find out if they'll pass Cali smog. I think I remember reading that you won't pass visual with injectors but I can't find the post anymore and haven't had much luck searching. I know that E85 conversion won't pass and these are conversion injectors so I'm sure I'm **** outta luck. Any help would be great!
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That's actually a good question. The guy who tested my car was a stickler and scolded me for having a COBB SF intake, even though I had the CARB sticker pasted to the air box in plain view. But, I honestly don't think he would have noticed aftermarket injectors. He popped my hood, saw the intake and CARB sticker, ranted for a bit, then plugged his testing device into the OBDII port under my dash and proceeded back to his comfy lawn chair at his computer terminal while my car idled and was tested for any codes. So, I guess what I'm saying is, it depends on the tester. Whoever tests your car may not even notice the injectors. They're not that obvious, I'm assuming. Just make sure you have the CARB sticker in plain view if you have an aftermarket intake. Also, make sure you have the stock downpipe installed. An aftermarket downpipe will be noticed and you will fail the test.
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That's actually a good question. The guy who tested my car was a stickler and scolded me for having a COBB SF intake, even though I had the CARB sticker pasted to the air box in plain view. But, I honestly don't think he would have noticed aftermarket injectors. He popped my hood, saw the intake and CARB sticker, ranted for a bit, then plugged his testing device into the OBDII port under my dash and proceeded back to his comfy lawn chair at his computer terminal while my car idled and was tested for any codes. So, I guess what I'm saying is, it depends on the tester. Whoever tests your car may not even notice the injectors. They're not that obvious, I'm assuming. Just make sure you have the CARB sticker in plain view if you have an aftermarket intake. Also, make sure you have the stock downpipe installed. An aftermarket downpipe will be noticed and you will fail the test.
While not having to have to go through it, I HIGHLY doubt an inspection worker will notice different injectors, so, you're OK.
Assuming it passes the visual (basically CAT's) and the ECU comes up clean.
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While not having to have to go through it, I HIGHLY doubt an inspection worker will notice different injectors, so, you're OK.
Assuming it passes the visual (basically CAT's) and the ECU comes up clean.
Exactly. If the injectors are neon pink with flashing LEDs, you may not pass. other than that, you should be fine.
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Thanks for all the replies mah dudes! Only issue is that the car has ID fuel rails. Fortunately they're black and not wicked flashy (these are the ones) but it is very obvious that they're not stock Subaru. Maybe I can move some stuff around to cover them as much as possible.
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Old 07-18-2018, 02:00 PM   #6
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I don't know how much you're into aesthetics under the hood, but take a black Sharpie and color the logo and "Injector Dynamics" in. What aftermarket fuel rails?

Honestly, I don't think they'll get noticed even as-is.
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Honestly I couldn't give less of a damn. As long as it doesn't look trashy I don't care about not having the bling so I might just try that! If they do flag it and fail me will I automatically have to go to a referee or can I just try a different location once I "fix" the problem?
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Most testers will tell you "x" part isn't going to pass and give you the chance to replace the offending part with the stock part and try again. If the car fails during the OBDII test, then it's ref time.

My tester told me if I hadn't had the CARB sticker for my intake, he wouldn't have even started the test.
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Old 07-18-2018, 03:16 PM   #9
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OK so maybe I just need to talk to some people in the area I'm moving to and see where they go. I really appreciate all the help! Cali emissions are tough to find info on! It's a little shocking sometimes to see what is/isn't legal out there. Like why the hell can't we have E85 conversions?!?! It burns cleaner (although only slightly) than gas! I would have figured the politicians out there would be offering tax breaks for anyone who wanted to switch!
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OK so maybe I just need to talk to some people in the area I'm moving to and see where they go. I really appreciate all the help! Cali emissions are tough to find info on! It's a little shocking sometimes to see what is/isn't legal out there. Like why the hell can't we have E85 conversions?!?! It burns cleaner (although only slightly) than gas! I would have figured the politicians out there would be offering tax breaks for anyone who wanted to switch!
Try pinging the regional forum here. Maybe someone will PM you a "reasonable" location.
Not trying to promote being illegal, just saying......
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Try pinging the regional forum here. Maybe someone will PM you a "reasonable" location.
Not trying to promote being illegal, just saying......
Lmao I've avoided posting anything about illegal work-arounds just in case. Don't wanna get banned! I checked the Bay Area page and there didn't seem to be a whole lot of action there. Might try reddit. Anything goes over there...
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Where have you seen we can't have an E85 conversion? E85 is sold out here. FFV vehicles are legal in Cali, so I'm curious what you've found to prove a conversion isn't legal here.
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Straight from the state, unfortunately.

https://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/afterm...el/altfuel.htm
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I believe that's saying the manufacturer of an alternative fuel converter needs to get a CARB E/O. Basically, the same thing any aftermarket manufacturer has to get when a part potentially affects emissions. Example, Cobb with its SF Intake. They had to prove the part complied with state emissions, warranty and durability requirements. It doesn't say it's illegal. I don't know if any manufacturers of alternative fuel converters have gone through the trouble and expense to get the CARB E/O, but I'll bet there are some interested in doing so and maybe even in the process.
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Yeah I looked at the list in the PDF provided on that page and there were none listed for our cars as approved vendors. I'd absolutely agree with you that someone out there has to be working on it though. If not, I say we try it! "GallotheSolo E85 Conversion Kit - CARB Approved" has a nice ring to it lol.
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Yeah I looked at the list in the PDF provided on that page and there were none listed for our cars as approved vendors. I'd absolutely agree with you that someone out there has to be working on it though. If not, I say we try it! "GallotheSolo E85 Conversion Kit - CARB Approved" has a nice ring to it lol.
"GallotheSolo E85 Conversion Kit - CARB-ish Approved"

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Lmao done deal. Thanks for all the replies my friend!
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I checked the Bay Area page and there didn't seem to be a whole lot of action there.
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Might try reddit. Anything goes over there...
Redditors are weird.
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BAIC on here. Maybe I'm just looking in the wrong place? And yes, redditors are VERY weird sometimes lol.
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BAIC doesn't like NASIOC. Check i-club.com. Although that's kinda dying. But it will be more relevant. A lot of action has been on FaceBook. Bay Area Subaru Group is one of the big ones.
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You da man! Thanks for the info! It's too bad the local group on here isn't active. I've always really liked this site. I'll check the others out though. Might have to buy you a beer when I get out there in a few months.
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PNW subaru advice is another awesome subaru facebook group. very active with a lot of knowledgeable people.

Injectors as long as they arent flashy will be overlooked almost all of the time. Just dont say anything about it.

as long as your car doesnt need a sniff test, passes the visual inspection, and monitors are ready and not throwing codes you will be good. There is a lot of smog places around who just arent knowledgeable enough to see after market parts. Ive even had smogs places that turned me down just say to slap on a carb sticker XD
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Thanks for the advice! I'm not throwing any codes, have the stock DP on, and have no other mods that I can think of that would get flagged on an OBDII or visual inspection so I think I'm good there. I think I'm gonna leave my car registered in my old state for a few months to buy me some time. That way I can ask where others get their stickers once I get there.
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The problem with trying to figure out CA emissions laws is that even when you do it all right you sometimes will get a shop who doesn't want to touch the car. Too much uncertainty and liability for the shops doing the testing. They don't want to risk getting their license pulled, as that's a big source of revenue for their business - especially with all of the undercover state inspectors going around auditing those shops.

But sometimes you also find shops that will work with you as long as you have the CARB stickers, no codes, and keep everything looking as stock as possible. In many cases, so long as the injector appears stock you probably won't have much to worry about. It's more likely that other aftermarket parts will trigger the tester to raise an eyebrow.
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