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Old 07-10-2018, 03:53 PM   #1
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Hi guys,

Itís been a while since I drove a manual car.

I just got a new 2018 wrx sti. I know the basic of driving manual car but would love some help since this is my first turbo manual car.

I want to learn and know how to downshift properly and little advance stuff.

Iím from queens New York if any Subaru owners want to meet up and give me some tips and tricks

Sorry again because Iím new to this forums Iím not sure if Iím writing this in the right section.

Thanks guys !! I appreciate all your help
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Old 07-10-2018, 03:55 PM   #2
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Congrats! Post a pic
I also second the downshifting tips, Iím newish at driving a manual too and my reaction time isnít that great yet haha been conditioned to be lazy with auto
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Old 07-10-2018, 04:06 PM   #3
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Hi guys,

Itís been a while since I drove a manual car.

I just got a new 2018 wrx sti. I know the basic of driving manual car but would love some help since this is my first turbo manual car.

I want to learn and know how to downshift properly and little advance stuff.

Iím from queens New York if any Subaru owners want to meet up and give me some tips and tricks

Sorry again because Iím new to this forums Iím not sure if Iím writing this in the right section.

Thanks guys !! I appreciate all your help
Fast hands, easy feet, at least until you get good. Don't be afraid to be quick with the gearshift; the only thing you have to be cautious about is being too quick on the clutch. Letting the clutch out too slowly is also a problem, but it only results in increased clutch wear, whereas letting it out too fast could result in halfshaft and propeller shaft damage (or anything else in your transmission).

Downshifts really just come down to knowing how much to blip the throttle, which comes with experience. To be safe, you can just blip the throttle a little more than you think you need, and just let the clutch out slowly. Your clutch should mate with your engine rotation speed pretty effortlessly as long as you get it close enough.

If you want to meet up in person you could check out your regional forum or board or whatever it's called and see when the next get-together is.
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Old 07-10-2018, 05:14 PM   #4
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Thanks guys! I appreciate it

I just donít want to destroy the car haha. I know Iím learning on it but these cars are built tough.

I get worried sometimes when Iím downshifting and also when to shift gears. I heard shifting too early is bad and shifting too late is also bad for engine so Iím trying to figure out the perfect shift points for daily driving and also when pushing the car.

I donít know much about turbo and psi but looking and learning as I read more articles.

I sound like a noob.
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Old 07-10-2018, 05:27 PM   #5
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Thanks guys! I appreciate it

I just donít want to destroy the car haha. I know Iím learning on it but these cars are built tough.

I get worried sometimes when Iím downshifting and also when to shift gears. I heard shifting too early is bad and shifting too late is also bad for engine so Iím trying to figure out the perfect shift points for daily driving and also when pushing the car.

I donít know much about turbo and psi but looking and learning as I read more articles.

I sound like a noob.
Your engine was designed to operate at all RPM ranges below redline. As long as you're not cruising in 3rd on the highway at 6000 RPMs it will be fine.

As far as "shifting too early" being a problem, it's not one that I've ever heard of. It's a problem if you're on a drag strip, but just getting groceries or driving around town there's no problem shifting even at the 2-2.5k mark. Just don't try to go wide open throttle at low RPMs and your car will thank you.

In the RPM range, it's business down low, party up top.
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Old 07-10-2018, 07:27 PM   #6
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Welcome to the awesome world of driving an STI!

I'm not entirely new to stick either, but the STI is a new kind of experience to me too, so you are definitely not alone. It is definitely trickier to drive than my previous BRZ and Mazdaspeed Protege (both of which were 2wd and not as powerful, had a lighter clutch, and had a lot more 'play' area prior to full clutch-flywheel lockup [probably not the right vocab there].) I hope you are finding the learning process as much fun as I am!

I could never heel-toe very well on either car...I think this was largely due to pedal placement. I'm getting reasonably good with the STI just a month in, although sometimes I get a little overly ambitious with the throttle and someone next to me probably thinks I am revving on them. The STI seems to have different pedal angles and spacing or something, as it's easier to do with my foot. It may also be in part that the car's civility seems quite a bit more brutal without heel and toe and its forced me to put more effort into learning?

I assume you have already read this but this car really dislikes lugging, arguably more than most turbo cars already do. It's not going explode with light acceleration when at lower RPM obviously, but going WOT below 3-4k is generally not an ideal situation.

My mind gets blown here every day. For example, even though my MSP was a turbo car, I had it for a brief period and admittedly I did not understand the difference between turbo lag and boost threshold before visiting this forum...
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Old 07-10-2018, 07:29 PM   #7
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2nded for not going WOT at low rpms. Lugging your engine is bad in gereral and even worse for a turbo car. Always downshift for passing on a highway. In gereral when you wa t to floor it 3 and 4th gears above 3.5k rpm is the safest.
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Old 07-10-2018, 08:26 PM   #8
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I read this 15 or so years ago, and still recommend it to anyone looking to become better at driving a stick shift:
http://www.318ti.org/notebook/shifting/index.html

Roll on the throttle so as not to go WOT at rpm's which are too low. Wait for the engine to rev down on up shifts (due to emissions mapping, it is not uncommon for there to be a "rev hang" on most turbo charged cars). Get to know your gear spacing and have fun trying to be as smooth as possible.
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Old 07-10-2018, 08:55 PM   #9
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There is also some bad habits a lot of people have:

- The shifter stick is not a hand rest.
- The clutch pedal is not a foot rest.
- You should be always in gear except at rest. Some people (who learned from "uncle") are coming to a stop from 30mph, third gear, pressing the clutch and the break to a complete stop.
- At rest, you put neutral and keep foot on brake. No clutch.

Ultimately, you should always be on the right gear for your speed or load.
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Old 07-11-2018, 03:05 PM   #10
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Gas savings comes from downshifting first, braking afterwards. Especially when doing so to reduce speed on the highway. Brake when you need to slow down rapidly AND drastically or need to come to a stop. Otherwise, rev-match downshift through the gears. Skip a gear if need be (just be sure to give a harder throttle blip).

As long as you don't lug the engine, upshifting early isn't an issue, and downshifting early as long as you're not going to whack the rev limiter isn't an issue either.

You will need to learn the turbo's powerband, however, as it doesn't hold out all the way to redline.
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Old 07-11-2018, 03:18 PM   #11
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that poor clutch, lol.

good luck with it bud. all of these posts are great points, but the real way to master it is to just do it. Repetition is key.
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Old 07-11-2018, 04:31 PM   #12
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And don't ride the clutch or else your TOB might wear out early
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Old 07-11-2018, 04:42 PM   #13
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And don't ride the clutch or else your TOB might wear out early
It'll wear out early (between 50k and 60k) regardless. Not riding it will delay how long it'll take before it breaks up, but it'll wear out before the clutch disc does for sure anyway.

On my 08 WRX (where I did ride the clutch too much b/c I was re-learning stick), TOB gave out around 52k. In my BRZ (which I absolutely did not ride, and knew how to rev match, etc), I had the TOB replaced around 62k and the clutch disc had about 15% life left on the material. TOB on BRZ had seized but had not yet disintegrated.

Both gave out before the original clutch disc did.
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Old 07-11-2018, 05:18 PM   #14
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Fast hands, easy feet,
^this

also, buy high, sell low, that's my motto
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Old 07-11-2018, 05:52 PM   #15
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No comments on some previous posts.

It's a MT.

Don't be stupid on a MT.

Turbo, smooth is likely below any real boost, fun is within any real boost.

Beyond that, it's a MT........drive it as such.

I am not far away, willing to help you out if need be.
You get here, maybe beer/Svedka money I will work with you.

Otherwise, it's a MT.
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Old 07-11-2018, 05:55 PM   #16
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No comments on some previous posts.

It's a MT.

Don't be stupid on a MT.

Turbo, smooth is likely below any real boost, fun is within any real boost.

Beyond that, it's a MT........drive it as such.

I am not far away, willing to help you out if need be.
You get here, maybe beer/Svedka money I will work with you.

Otherwise, it's a MT.
True, but shifting from a stop or downshifting without stalling is a bit different than properly shifting a car. And working the powerband in a turbo is different than in a rev-happy NA car.

Yeah, MT is MT, but when you're new to MT and only know the basics, you've got two different practical things to learn: good shifting skills and how to use your powerband with the turbo in the loop.
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Old 07-11-2018, 06:02 PM   #17
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True, but shifting from a stop or downshifting without stalling is a bit different than properly shifting a car. And working the powerband in a turbo is different than in a rev-happy NA car.

Yeah, MT is MT, but when you're new to MT and only know the basics, you've got two different practical things to learn: good shifting skills and how to use your powerband with the turbo in the loop.
OK, agreed.

But, Queens NY, not much chance to get on it locally (notice I am in TriState, have time on the "island").

Driving is one thing, running boost is another.
I am sorta going by the OP post.

As an aside, brakes are cheaper and easier than a clutch or trans. So, using brakes in the NY metro area is likely cheaper than downshifts, although I can handle that.
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Old 07-11-2018, 06:03 PM   #18
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hey man, congrats. I was right there with you for the first 2 months I owned my car. I am feeling way more confident with downshifting and smooth takeoffs/upshifts.

the clutches on these cars are crazy. I had a stage 2 south bend in my old GTI that I could shift with my pinky, not the case here.

There is a lot of great information in this thread alone to become a better driver. Just be confident and don't live in fear of blowing up your motor for the first two months of ownership like I did!
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Old 07-11-2018, 06:27 PM   #19
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the clutches on these cars are crazy. I had a stage 2 south bend in my old GTI that I could shift with my pinky, not the case here.
Never heard of clutch grip affecting shifter feel.
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Old 07-11-2018, 06:36 PM   #20
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OK, agreed.

But, Queens NY, not much chance to get on it locally (notice I am in TriState, have time on the "island").

Driving is one thing, running boost is another.
I am sorta going by the OP post.

As an aside, brakes are cheaper and easier than a clutch or trans. So, using brakes in the NY metro area is likely cheaper than downshifts, although I can handle that.
Yeah, I'd be crying my eyes out if I had to drive in NYC.

Thankfully I live in NEPA and work in the Southern Tier. I'll have FUN drives to work when I get my WRX (had a BRZ that was totaled right before we moved from CA and right around when we have to replace my wife's malibu... we have to save for a bit first before I get my sports car again).

Yeah, in Stop and Go traffic, MT is MT: pain in the ass. If that was the majority of my driving, I'd get myself a Prius since there's zero chance of getting to have fun with a car in that city.
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Old 07-11-2018, 07:48 PM   #21
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Also, make sure you're sitting comfortably where you can push the clutch in all the way to the floor. Try to not listen to music while driving so you hear the motor until you're confident. Most importantly, just drive the car, it's the only way you're gonna learn manual because it's all about feeling the car.
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Old 07-11-2018, 07:55 PM   #22
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You definitely don't want to replace the clutch after 10k miles. Take it slow until you feel comfortable and slow shifts. The STI transmission can handle alot of punishment so dont beat yourself up if you make a mistake every now and again.
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Also, make sure you're sitting comfortably where you can push the clutch in all the way to the floor. Try to not listen to music while driving so you hear the motor until you're confident. Most importantly, just drive the car, it's the only way you're gonna learn manual because it's all about feeling the car.
Agreed. It's interesting how much of the "butt dyno" is linked to what we hear.

After a while, you'll "feel" the engine's response underneath the music. But at first you'll have to hear it.

Also, as opposed to an AT/CVT, the most important instrument on your dash is your tachometer, not your speedometer. You can get away with only occasionally glancing at your speedometer as you'll figure out generally how fast you're going simply by looking at the tach and knowing what gear you're in.
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Old 07-12-2018, 07:00 PM   #24
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https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=587096

That thread help me a lot learning from scratch 3 years ago...a great driver once told me the difference in someone who can drive a manual and a great driver is the same as a weekend hack golfer and a professional golfer, I feel this is true.

Best advice I can give is learn to feel when the syncros let the shifter in gear while up shifting and don't over power them...two controversial points I believe are correct is giving a little gas to get going, not just using the clutch, and learning to double clutch downshift (since I was learning from scratch I decided to learn the hard way/right way/better way)
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Old 07-13-2018, 12:08 PM   #25
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I'd also add that first gear in my STI is not like any other first gear I've driven. In most other cars first gear is only used to get the car moving from a stop, whereas it seems the first gear in the sti is almost necessary when you are doing slow speed driving.
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