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Old 02-07-2019, 10:18 AM   #76
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GT doesn’t fall under the Appliance category.
Subaru only builds appliances now.
Especially in the large, boat-sized sedan class.
I’ve bought two LGTs new and that was a different Subaru back then.







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Old 02-07-2019, 10:20 AM   #77
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I'll give them another year or two to work out the bugs with the 2.4t, but this could bring me back.
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Old 02-07-2019, 10:24 AM   #78
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CN's: Turbo is back, but no manual.
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Old 02-07-2019, 10:27 AM   #79
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CN's: Turbo is back, but no manual.
Well you know they need to stop just short of fun.
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Old 02-07-2019, 10:31 AM   #80
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Need an XT Sport (if SI-DRIVE, aren't also available in the XT).

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Old 02-07-2019, 10:33 AM   #81
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When he said 'touring' I thought wagon, ha. Great car for the family eh?

I'll never understand how people can value the aesthetics of a shelf-shaped rear end more than the utility of a wagon.

Except.. they don't?

Sedan = yay! Sell 40k per year
Wagon, exact same car otherwise = boo! Not available but would probably sell 5k per year if it were
Wagon, exact same but slight lift and cladding etc = TAKE MY MONEY! Sell 180k per year

Just, wtf.
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Old 02-07-2019, 10:36 AM   #82
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When he said 'touring' I thought wagon, ha. Great car for the family eh?

I'll never understand how people can value the aesthetics of a shelf-shaped rear end more than the utility of a wagon.

Except.. they don't?

Sedan = yay! Sell 40k per year
Wagon, exact same car otherwise = boo! Not available but would probably sell 5k per year if it were
Wagon, exact same but slight lift and cladding etc = TAKE MY MONEY! Sell 180k per year

Just, wtf.
Subaru refuses to take risks now. Maybe be a little different.
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Old 02-07-2019, 10:41 AM   #83
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The Touring XT with the turbo engine is interesting, and getting 32mpg on the highway. Not bad
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Old 02-07-2019, 10:44 AM   #84
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WTF is that naming? Touring XT?
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Old 02-07-2019, 10:45 AM   #85
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2.4 liter turbo, YAY! 0-60 6.1 sec... too slow, not interested.
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Old 02-07-2019, 10:49 AM   #86
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2.4 liter turbo, YAY! 0-60 6.1 sec... too slow, not interested.
I'm sure subaru is as conservative with their 0-60 times as their styling
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Old 02-07-2019, 10:51 AM   #87
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I'm sure subaru is as conservative with their 0-60 times as their styling
Hopefully, i will wait for reviews to make final decision.
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Old 02-07-2019, 10:51 AM   #88
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Well you know they need to stop just short of fun.
I think the prognosis for manuals in anything but the most enthusiast-oriented Subaru is bad from here. They seem to have no interest in integrating their top safety tech into a manual car.

Even if the next gen WRX/STI (hopefully) manual are available with some level of eyesight, I wouldn't count on seeing a manual in anything but those and maybe base Imprezas and stuff ever again. I'm kinda surprised those have it even. I think their only purpose is to get the base MSRP as low as possible to get people in the door.
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Old 02-07-2019, 11:00 AM   #89
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Some of you cats are real flatliners.

I dislike automatics(of any variation) very much.

But, at least try and look at it from Subaru's POV. MPG and CAFE numbers rule. What sane person would actually think Subaru is going to design a different center console, different drivetrain parts, added sections in the owners manual/service manual, etc, just to add a manual option???

And what would provoke them to spend the money and effort to do so, all 500 customers that would buy one? The "runaway success" of the 6 speed only 2010-2012 Legacy GT sedan?

The Legacy XT was a brilliant, if not obvious move. Better MPGs=better CAFE number, plus, it creates the possibility of stealing a few sales away from the US buyer who actually still wants a sporty sedan, but it's not sporty enough to steal many of their own WRX/WRX STi sales away from themselves.
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Old 02-07-2019, 11:07 AM   #90
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When he said 'touring' I thought wagon, ha. Great car for the family eh?

I'll never understand how people can value the aesthetics of a shelf-shaped rear end more than the utility of a wagon.

Except.. they don't?

Sedan = yay! Sell 40k per year
Wagon, exact same car otherwise = boo! Not available but would probably sell 5k per year if it were
Wagon, exact same but slight lift and cladding etc = TAKE MY MONEY! Sell 180k per year

Just, wtf.
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Old 02-07-2019, 11:09 AM   #91
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2.4 liter turbo, YAY! 0-60 6.1 sec... too slow, not interested.
That's the same 0 to 60 as my Cadenza, with 3.3 L making 293 hp & 255 lb/ft at 3700lbs

2010-12 Legacy GT was 5.5 sec 0-60, so maybe they'll come out with a GT in a year.
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Old 02-07-2019, 11:28 AM   #92
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Some of you cats are real flatliners.
Whoa dude, nobody ever said they thought it was a good idea. Of course a manual is a bad idea financially.
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Old 02-07-2019, 11:32 AM   #93
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Some of you cats are real flatliners.

I dislike automatics(of any variation) very much.

But, at least try and look at it from Subaru's POV.

*snip*

Can't have all the eyesight and other ancillary saftety stuff in a manual.And subaru is all about safety above all else these days.
Fixed.

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Old 02-07-2019, 11:39 AM   #94
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Has anyone else noticed the front bumper has a Handlebar Mustache? I should say an upside down one, what do you call that...?
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Old 02-07-2019, 11:48 AM   #95
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Fixed.

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That, too.
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Old 02-07-2019, 11:51 AM   #96
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So exciting!!! This is EXACTLY what I've wanted... and then this:
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Every 2020 Legacy features a Lineartronic® Continuously Variable Transmission (CVT), auto stop/start and Subaru Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive with Active Torque Vectoring.


The CVT is steaming hot garbage. I don't really care about lack of manual(I need this car to be wife approved), but I wish they'd bring back the 5eat or something. It already kept me from buying a Forester XT
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Old 02-07-2019, 11:52 AM   #97
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I did not think it was possible to design a car without a shred of personality, but Subaru did it! The Accord and Camry have some fire in their looks, but this. What the hell. Still no decent LGT replacement.

I will give kudos to a nice interior and a turbo engine.... little huzzah!
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Old 02-07-2019, 11:56 AM   #98
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First off, the LGT never looked that hot. Always understated.

B-ly, no point in wishing for the old automatics as they're dead. I prefer the CVT over the 4EAT anyway. I disliked the shifting feel of traditional autos. I find the CVT to be very smooth and quiet. Plus they're more efficient.
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Old 02-07-2019, 12:03 PM   #99
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2.4 liter turbo, YAY! 0-60 6.1 sec... too slow, not interested.
It's a full second better than the outgoing 3.6R. At least, at 6.1 sec, it's within the ballpark of an Accord 2.0T / V6 Camry.
Now, what I need to know is whether or not there's a viscous LSD in the rear.
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Old 02-07-2019, 12:38 PM   #100
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No wagon, no manual AND slower than my 5MT 2002 WRX BY ALMOST TWO SECONDS despite a 50hp bump?!

I understand where the industry is headed and the direction Subaru has decided to take. I can't disagree with their logic, because obviously they're selling a lot of cars, but honestly, WTF... I have not had a new Subaru set my imagination aflutter since about... 2009? (S209 saw a blip in my interest, but production volume and MSRP quickly dampened my excitement...)
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