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Old 07-17-2017, 11:52 AM   #76
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This thread is a joke. And you have terrible logic. A 1999 automatic Honda Civic can beat a manual WRX if the WRX driver is terrible at shifting. By the logic you've been using, that means that the Civic is faster than a WRX 99.99999% of the time, unless both drivers are professional race car drivers, right? You're right, if someone is bad at shifting, a lot of automatics could beat them, whether it's a WRX CVT or not.

So what you're really trying to say is that if you're bad at shifting and you want to pretend you're a race car driver and race other soccer moms on your way to practice, get a CVT. I totally agree with that conclusion. If that's your situation, then I would definitely support you in getting a CVT, and would agree that it's the right choice for you. So good job, you can feel validated in your choice.

While a CVT makes sense for some people, a manual is the more fun option. Based on numbers reported from multiple sources, the manual is also faster if you know how to shift properly, which is probably 90% of the people on this forum. But I haven't tested them myself so I can't say for sure. And I don't care.

On a related note, the other day I raced a GT-R. The guy wasn't a professional race car driver and so he wasn't used to paddle shifters and immediately started shifting up, thinking it would make him go faster, and was in 5th gear by the time he was going 35 mph and I beat him. Now I know that a professional race car driver in the GT-R would have beat me, that's obvious. But the good news is, now I know that with "civilian" drivers, STIs can beat GT-Rs 99.999999% of the time! Also, that clearly shows that 4 cylinder engines are better than V6s. I'll go see if I can find a YouTube video to prove it.
Poor comparison. MT wrx only beats CVT by 0.5s in a closed environment by a professional manual driver.

You don't have to be a professional driver to drive a cvt. But you do have to be a professional manual driver to even stand a chance of beating a cvt.
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Old 07-17-2017, 11:52 AM   #77
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I honestly wouldnt have even bought this card if I had to get the CVT. Id rather just get something else like the GTI/R with DSG. It would have been cool if the WRX came with that instead.
Cool. You like to row your own.
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Old 07-17-2017, 12:00 PM   #78
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Poor comparison. MT wrx only beats CVT by 0.5s in a closed environment by a professional manual driver.

You don't have to be a professional driver to drive a cvt. But you do have to be a professional manual driver to even stand a chance of beating a cvt.
are you going to race one of us and put this to rest or are you not that confident in the cvt?
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Old 07-17-2017, 12:02 PM   #79
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Cool. You like to row your own.
Nah not really, I just couldnt bring myself to buying this car with a CVT transmission. If it actually had a good auto option like the GTI/R id have taken that over manual for sure. It sucks subaru didnt feel like doing the work to make something worthwhile and instead just threw their crappy CVT in there.
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Old 07-17-2017, 12:05 PM   #80
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Poor comparison. MT wrx only beats CVT by 0.5s in a closed environment by a professional manual driver.

You don't have to be a professional driver to drive a cvt. But you do have to be a professional manual driver to even stand a chance of beating a cvt.
I'm embarrassed for you.
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Old 07-17-2017, 12:25 PM   #81
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I'm embarrassed for you.
It's tough to argue with someone who doesn't want to understand the magical engineering of cvt.
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Old 07-17-2017, 12:28 PM   #82
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You guys are still missing the point.

They sell more wrx's.. they keep MAKING more wrx's. As long as we get the option for whatever flavor we want... who gives a ****?
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Old 07-17-2017, 12:54 PM   #83
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It's tough to argue with someone who doesn't want to understand the magical engineering of cvt.
It's magical AND engineering.
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Old 07-17-2017, 01:07 PM   #84
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So funboi you willing to put up or shut up? The Shenandoah Circuit at Summit Point WV. Me in my bone stock '17 6MT and you in yer stock CVT. We'd have to go by lap times cause they won't allow racing at a track day. I'm no pro just a motorcycle mechanic. For nothing more than settling the question. So what do ya say?
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Old 07-17-2017, 01:10 PM   #85
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You guys are still missing the point.

They sell more wrx's.. they keep MAKING more wrx's. As long as we get the option for whatever flavor we want... who gives a ****?
people just don't like to get along. "my way or the highway" mentality.

Just be prepared for a complete ****storm when the STI is eventually offered with an auto(auto/cvt/dsg) option.
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Old 07-17-2017, 01:19 PM   #86
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I drove a 2015 CVT WRX for 2.5 years and traded it in a month ago. Definitely enjoyed owning it and am happy to defend the existence of an auto WRX. But the OP is just trolling or very childish. The point of the thread was to antagonize.
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Old 07-17-2017, 01:38 PM   #87
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I drove a 2015 CVT WRX for 2.5 years and traded it in a month ago. Definitely enjoyed owning it and am happy to defend the existence of an auto WRX. But the OP is just trolling or very childish. The point of the thread was to antagonize.
Yep. Totally agree.


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people just don't like to get along. "my way or the highway" mentality.

Just be prepared for a complete ****storm when the STI is eventually offered with an auto(auto/cvt/dsg) option.
Ohhh that will be ace. I actually love the CVT WRX. So if they can fit a decent DSG or a 3rd gen performance CVT on the STI, it's going to be a beast. DSG will probably cost Subaru too much to develop and implement though..... so likely won't happen soon. The closest solution seems to be a CVT.
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Old 07-17-2017, 01:39 PM   #88
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But the OP is just trolling or very childish. The point of the thread was to antagonize.
yep, and trolling successfully at that.

85 replies in a day!
Might as well start a thread about which color is the coolest, that way it is 100% subjective and will be an endless argument
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Old 07-17-2017, 01:39 PM   #89
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I drove a 2015 CVT WRX for 2.5 years and traded it in a month ago. Definitely enjoyed owning it and am happy to defend the existence of an auto WRX. But the OP is just trolling or very childish. The point of the thread was to antagonize.
Not antigonizing here. But the very mention of a cvt wrx makes mt wrx owners lose their cool. It's quite interesting how much they'll defend an old technology and claim automatics should never be in a wrx.
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Old 07-17-2017, 01:46 PM   #90
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It's tough to argue with someone who doesn't want to understand the magical engineering of cvt.
My comment has nothing to do with the CVT. I'm not even saying that the manual is for sure faster than the CVT (if you re-read my post you'll see I specifically said that).

All I'm saying is that if you're not just a troll, which you probably are, then your logic doesn't make sense. Just because professional drivers can shift faster than every day drivers doesn't mean that 99.99999999999999999% of "civilian" manual WRX drivers will lose the 0.7 second lead they could have otherwise had over the CVT because of their bad shifting. That's a big difference to lose. If we were talking 0.1 or 0.2 seconds, then sure, I'd agree with you (and that's also assuming C&D drivers are professional race car drivers, which they aren't). If the 0.7 difference tested by C&D is accurate, most manual WRX drivers should be able to beat a CVT. Obviously there will be some that are really bad at shifting.

But that doesn't have to make you feel bad about your purchase. If you feel the need to race other cars on public streets and you can do that better in a CVT, good for you!
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Old 07-17-2017, 01:54 PM   #91
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Not antigonizing here. But the very mention of a cvt wrx makes mt wrx owners lose their cool. It's quite interesting how much they'll defend an old technology and claim automatics should never be in a wrx.
It doesn't surprise me that you couldn't tell that my first post was completely making fun of your logic, not the CVT WRX.

CVTs are the right choice for some people, and is just a personal preference. That has nothing to do with it. When you come in with the logic of, "I'm bad at shifting so although the MT has been tested by multiple sources to be faster, I think the CVT is actually faster so it's better," you're going to get made fun of a little bit.

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Old 07-17-2017, 02:08 PM   #92
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Not antigonizing here. But the very mention of a cvt wrx makes mt wrx owners lose their cool. It's quite interesting how much they'll defend an old technology and claim automatics should never be in a wrx.
Well, what do you expect with your thread title. It's just plain wrong.

The bolded part is true though. It's pretty silly to be honest.
But.... do you want to change their minds or just let them be? I'd say just let them be.
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Check out The video...
Nothing like having some 10 doo-dad swinging wildly from the rear view mirror to act as a distraction.


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