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Old 11-14-2019, 07:32 AM   #1
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Toyota will test how much of the consumer shift away from sedans is because of the added security of all-wheel-drive systems found on most crossovers as the Japanese automaker adds an optional fuel-efficient awd system to its Camry and Avalon sedans next year.

The awd version of the midsize Camry will be the model's first since 1991, while the large Avalon will get its first optional awd version ever. Both will use the same Dynamic Torque Control system employed on the redesigned RAV4 compact crossover, Toyota said. The awd system sends up to half of engine torque to the rear wheels as needed under load if the car detects slippage from the front wheels. When additional traction isn't required, the rear prop shaft is electromagnetically disengaged to boost fuel efficiency, Toyota says.

Toyota says awd versions of the sedans weren't originally in its product plans but were a side benefit of its TNGA platform strategy. The Camry, Avalon and RAV4 all share the Toyota New Global Architecture platform. Toyota said its engineers and designers in North America combined the upper body structure of the Camry and Avalon with the engine, transmission, transfer case and rear differential from the RAV4 and adapted the RAV4's suspension to better suit the sedans. The design team also adapted the drive shaft from the redesigned Highlander large crossover to create the awd sedans.

The sedans' floor structure was adapted and an electronic parking brake and altered fuel tank design added to accommodate the awd system. Together, the modifications add 165 pounds to the Camry over the front-wheel-drive version, while the weight of the Avalon is similar to that of the V-6 version, the automaker said.

Both vehicles will be shown at next week's Los Angeles Auto Show. The awd Camry will go on sale in the spring as a 2020 model, while the awd Avalon will be available in the fall as a 2021 model, Toyota said. Pricing for the awd versions was not announced. The system will be available as a standalone option on the Camry LE, XLE, SE and XSE trims and on Avalon XLE and Limited trims, Toyota said.
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Old 11-14-2019, 11:36 AM   #3
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So they're only sticking with the 4 Cyl from the Rav4. Hmmm... May be interesting how it reacts in the heavy Avalon. I think a TRD Camry AWD 6 cyl would be a hoot.

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This is the same approach that Nissan did with the Altima by pairing it with the lower output engine.
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So they're only sticking with the 4 Cyl from the Rav4. Hmmm... May be interesting how it reacts in the heavy Avalon. I think a TRD Camry AWD 6 cyl would be a hoot.

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Theoretically, it's possible that a AWD V6 Camry could come as the new Highlander is moving to the TNGA platform and that has a V6 AWD configuration.
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So they're only sticking with the 4 Cyl from the Rav4. Hmmm... May be interesting how it reacts in the heavy Avalon. I think a TRD Camry AWD 6 cyl would be a hoot.

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Maybe Toyota will save the AWD + V6 for Lexus ES.
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How is the dynamic torque control system in practice? Positive? Negative?
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So with all this co-venturing stuff going on, has anyone else thought about Toyota putting in a bid to acquire Subaru? Toyota's Market Cap is 8x more than Subaru (185.4B vs 21.3B).

They both compete against each other, that I understand, but some shared elements and paring down could be beneficial to the both of them.

I also understand that Subaru has grown over the years too... but seeing a lot of the cooperation going on, one has to think a move may be coming.

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That would be a sad day... it might prompt me to write the automotive equivalent of "American Pie"

... wonder what Don MacLean is up to these days...?
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Theoretically, it's possible that a AWD V6 Camry could come as the new Highlander is moving to the TNGA platform and that has a V6 AWD configuration.
Probably a price thing

I would rock a v6 Camry with awd
Yep. Iím at that point in life. Plus the new Camry, I think it looks good.
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How is the dynamic torque control system in practice? Positive? Negative?
Well, I did some research and it seems like the Toyota AWD systems are inferior to Subaru's. The only one that seems decent is the one on the hybrid, which has an electric motor driving the rear wheels.
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Default Toyota to add awd to Camry, Avalon

If it is like nearly every other FWD based AWD Toyota, it will have a center diff lock that operates up to ~25mph before it reverts to the computer controlling the distribution front to rear. That is plenty for a sedan that just needs AWD to get out of snowy driveways and keep things pointed the right way on snowy commutes. My wifeís 2014 Rav had the same and it went great in the snow.

The new Rav4 Adventure, Off Road, and Limited have an actual torque vectoring rear diff, but I doubt the Camry will get that. That is more for light off-roading.
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If it is like nearly every other FWD based AWD Toyota, it will have a center diff lock that operates up to ~25mph before it reverts to the computer controlling the distribution front to rear. That is plenty for a sedan that just needs AWD to get out of snowy driveways and keep things pointed the right way on snowy commutes. My wifeís 2014 Rav had the same and it went great in the snow.

The new Rav4 Adventure, Off Road, and Limited have an actual torque vectoring rear diff, but I doubt the Camry will get that. That is more for light off-roading.


The video I saw showed the inability to transfer power to the rear wheels when grip is lost. Even in some of the RAV4ís terrain specific modes it still didnít transfer power to the rear.

Probably not that much of an issue for an AWD Camry, but disappointing
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