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12-07-2012, 08:58 PM | #26 | |
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It also seems like he spends a LOT of time explaining how low his dyno reads, and then posts numbers (from the supposedly "special" cars) that are basically in line with typical numbers from other tuners. I'm not trying to create beef with anyone. I'm just saying how it looks from an outside point of view. EDIT: And I do realize that it's possible other people are inflating dyno numbers and how frustrating this could be. I haven't scoured past history to try and figure out why things are the way they are today. I just see someone who looks to be very set in his frame of mind and goes out of his way to make this known.
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12-07-2012, 09:13 PM | #27 | |
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I appreciate this level headed feedback. I do agree that sometimes I get frustrated with the inflated numbers flying around these days and it gets the best of me on occasion. I think I'm one of the few shops that has remained stubborn in our dyno calibration, but maybe that's causing more harm than good at this point. I'll have to seriously ponder this and maybe finally give in and get away from my low reading calibration. Its certainly better for marketing, making customers happy, and at this point it would be more in line with the majority. Again, thank you for your unbiased opinion and feedback. -- Ed |
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12-07-2012, 10:13 PM | #28 |
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Wish this stuff wasn't so expensive...
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12-07-2012, 10:55 PM | #29 | |
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edit: a quick google search answered all my questions..way over priced for my intended use! Looks like regular e85 for me. Last edited by blazzin06wrxdude; 12-07-2012 at 11:05 PM. |
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12-07-2012, 11:06 PM | #30 | |
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12-08-2012, 02:40 AM | #31 | ||||||||||
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Ok what does 560 in a GTR trap on your dyno... er I mean at the track Quote:
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who cares about the dyno. Anyone with a mustang, dd, dynacom, dynolog, dynapack can alter the baseline and power output. I CANT TOUCH ANYTHING ON A DYNOJET.. What it spits out, is what you get.. I'm not saying you are altering numbers either.. Show me some GTR trap speeds. Buschur style.. The car made 700 my Mustang dyno reads low, then backs it up with 150mph pass at the track.. Or Mike@Innovative he says it reads low, and then bust out a 145+mph traps out of a 580-600hp car. Quote:
Just years of Ed putting his dyno numbers into everyone's threads. Quote:
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I would bet I make around 600whp on your dyno. The other 139mph GTR on the Nagtroc made 590 on an unaltered mustang dyno. Its so worth it And it smells like grape juice Quote:
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12-08-2012, 07:13 AM | #32 |
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Good work guys! I have question that im sure has been answerered before in one of the dyno battle threads. Maybe you guys would care to comment.
I understand that a dyno is just a tool, and there are a few different kinds of manufacturers and styles. My question is isnt there some kind of "standard" to check a dyno with? For instance, when i use my volt meter, it has been calibrated by a company that checks it with a "standard" and corrects any deviation from the "standard" and i get a report saying exactly how close it was and its good for a year, etc. etc. Thanks, James. |
12-08-2012, 12:38 PM | #33 |
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JR,
You're right. I'm getting off the dyno debates. I think it's been a sore spot for me, but I'm over it. Like I said, guys out here are not into drags much so I don't get the same opportunities to prove my numbers so I have to rely more on dyno numbers. Either way, I'm over it. I think for 2013 I'll finally make the switch to dynojet calibration and make everyone happy. I gotta try the FTW stuff. Sounds similar to the VP109 that was oxegynated and made awesome power. -- Ed |
12-08-2012, 12:52 PM | #34 | |
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I like fact that dynojet can't be manipulated unless you can change the elevation or weather, other than that no correction factor. I see mustangs read all over the place, some read very very low, and most are calibrated to read more like dynojet, but operators tell you its low reading cause it is mustang. Anyways back to subject, I like the results from the fuel. It appears to have similar effects as nitromethane, but doesnt make as much power as nitro would. Very interesting, just wish it was $30+ a gallon. Does it have cooling effects similar to E85? |
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12-08-2012, 01:28 PM | #35 |
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All dynos can be manipulated pretty easily. With Dynojets, people change the inertia values for the rollers to inflate them. I've seen different dynojets read differently as well.
Manufacturers rate their power based on engine dynos not chassis dynos. 18% loss seems low to me for AWD since most RWD's are in the 12-15% range. But again, it's all just numbers. I think the only good way to check a dyno calibration is with a precisely rated electric motor with no gear box. -- Ed |
12-08-2012, 03:57 PM | #36 |
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Yes because it is E85. We just don't know what the other 15% is .Haha. Grape soda maybe. lol
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12-08-2012, 04:45 PM | #37 |
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nice. where do you get this stuff?
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12-08-2012, 05:15 PM | #38 |
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Not sure if there is a local distributor in NC. Junior would probably know.
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12-08-2012, 05:19 PM | #39 | |
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12-08-2012, 05:24 PM | #40 |
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^ True. You'd want to be on E85 and just run this for special occasions
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12-08-2012, 06:19 PM | #41 |
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Not to change the subject but didn't VP just come out with e85 that also adds power over regular e85? Or is this the stuff?
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12-08-2012, 06:42 PM | #42 | |
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This is Brent correct? If so this is Brandon from Parkway. |
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12-08-2012, 07:02 PM | #43 |
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12-08-2012, 09:30 PM | #44 | |
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Yep, never put together the screen name. I hope you are doing well. I had Kenny replace my clutch with a ACT street disc and heavier pressure plate. The car is running well. Meth kit is installed but I have not had it tuned for meth yet. |
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DynoJet is the industry standard. You go to just about any sanctioned event with hp restrictions etc and they use a DJ to measure the power before races. Quote:
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I will get on it this week. I am playing catch up as it is |
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12-09-2012, 05:09 PM | #46 | |
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sounds like JR knows his **** |
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12-09-2012, 08:27 PM | #47 |
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My real question is when are you coming anywhere close to NC Jr? I want you to tune my car! Should be a PM but could not help myself.
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12-09-2012, 08:33 PM | #48 |
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12-09-2012, 11:25 PM | #49 |
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I wanna get my hands on some ftw purple for my built sti.
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12-10-2012, 12:18 AM | #50 | |
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I've talked to a few people currently using this fuel. Its basically as effective as Brazilian sugar based e100. The data Junior is providing is just about spot on for what the car should make. I don't post publicly much about the GT-R's I have done, but after tuning a couple dozen on e85 the typical dyno jet number is around 630whp on a, and around 550 on a true mustang. the e100 cars I tune make around 650, as Junior has done here. E100 and the fuel Jr is using here is basically an "unknockable" fuel. If you have the balls to push the car until it stops making power, you have a 139-140mph stock turbo car. If Jr gets a good tire on the car he'll probably go 9.90's. I would give it another 1-1.5 psi and try for 1.40's to the 60ft. Tires are key though, I'm currently running 22.5 psi in mine and just ice skate on the street. Ill be out opening day if I don't grenade the trans or bend a rod first Probably only run it once though, road racing is where its at. Nothing like cornering and braking at 160mph + -Mikey Last edited by STi Mikey; 12-10-2012 at 12:46 AM. |
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