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09-20-2015, 06:23 AM | #1 | |
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Is this the new Ford Everest or Bronco?
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09-20-2015, 08:11 AM | #2 |
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Looks 4-runnerish. I like it.
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09-20-2015, 09:13 AM | #3 | |
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F no! Real Broncos have always had a removable top! Either chop the top or call it something else... . |
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09-20-2015, 11:09 AM | #4 |
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It's good looking
Body on frame like a 4 runner is a must |
09-20-2015, 04:55 PM | #5 |
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Durango-ishy.
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09-20-2015, 08:58 PM | #6 |
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Good call turbo
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09-21-2015, 11:30 AM | #7 |
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New expedition???
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09-21-2015, 11:38 AM | #8 |
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09-21-2015, 11:52 AM | #9 |
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That's what I see too.
I think this would be a great Bronco. Keep the price in check and give the body on frame 4Runner some competition. The Tahoe/Yukon's are too expensive and not really offroad vehicles but more body on frame street family hauler vehicles. |
09-21-2015, 01:05 PM | #10 |
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Why the body on frame love?
A PROPERLY designed unitbody SUV should be more rigid, lighter, more space efficient, and less expensive than a comparable body on frame design. (this coming from a loyal LR3 owner who thinks it's almost perfect, even @5500 pounds and body on frame) |
09-21-2015, 01:21 PM | #11 |
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Well sure, engineering can be made to work with a unibody no doubt, but a body on frame can produce the strength and tow rating far cheaper than a unibody. At least I would think it would I would also bet a body on frame could handle more abuse and tow more. But I am not a 4x4 expert.
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09-21-2015, 01:22 PM | #12 | |
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09-21-2015, 01:52 PM | #13 | |
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Cost is a fickle topic - a "typical" unitbody passenger car is going to cheaper to produce than a body-on-frame, but car's don't see the same level of stress that trucks & SUVs do. As for the production cost of unitbody vs. body on frame SUVs, I'm not certain. The body on frame love is coming from people that likely use trucks and SUV's as trucks and SUV's, not from people that use trucks and SUV's as passenger vehicles. |
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09-21-2015, 02:27 PM | #14 | |
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Then when you want to handle well on road the suspension will close the system off providing individual response and lower body roll.. It is a win win. We just need companies to be innovative like Jeep to make it good on and off road like an SUV should be. If you want something you can put 36 inch tires on just stick with an old clunking body on frame vehicle. |
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09-21-2015, 02:55 PM | #15 | |
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If all you want out of a truck/SUV is a car with ground clearance to tow your seadoo then go unitbody, but if you want to carry a payload or tow something heavy, body on frame is superior. The current Jeep grand cherokee is an example of a car with ground clearance that is fun on muddy back roads; I wouldn't want to wheel that vehicle as it comes from the factory, and it's not just because I don't like FCA. unitbody = fuel economy, better road manners, (potentially) greater passenger and cargo capacity. body on frame = greater torsional strength, payload, & towing capacity. |
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09-21-2015, 03:10 PM | #16 |
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Looks great.
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09-21-2015, 03:25 PM | #17 |
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Get the towing capacity out of your head. V6 JGC can tow 2000lbs more than the 4runner. Like I said exclude trucks from this silly argument. Payload and towing are the prime purpose there...Also what kind of payload are you putting inside the cabin of an SUV?! Almost EVERY SUV including my 2004 Landrover Discovery 2 have a payload of around 1500lbs. Unibody or Body on frame is not relevant there. So your last card is torsional strength is probably the only relevant strength of a body on frame in an SUV which ill say again the JGC is a prime example through engineering which almost negates that completely.
If I want to carry a heavy payload or tow something heavier than what the JGC could tow, then I would get a HD pickup because no midsize SUV is going to tow more. Your comment about wheeling almost makes me laugh. There is NO new vehicle today besides a wrangler that I would want to "wheel" in from the factory. Why would anyone want to spend 45k on an SUV to beat the crap out of it wheeling? Even if they do that will be for 5% of its life. If you want a serious wheeling vehicle, get a Jeep or build some old ass vehicle up. I will agree that alot of the unibody SUV's today are basically glorified cars with ground clearance, but if any of those manufacturers focused on off-road they would be just as capable. Sadly I can really only use JGC as a reference. /end rant |
09-21-2015, 07:10 PM | #18 |
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09-21-2015, 08:18 PM | #19 |
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If this were real, YES PLEASE, I'd even be happy with a ECOBOOST V6.
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09-22-2015, 09:52 AM | #20 |
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Was "Heep" intentional? Im not going to go on about this, I just think the days of body on frame being the only workhorses out there is not going to last much longer.
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09-22-2015, 10:20 AM | #21 |
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IF they make this car and it does not cost 55k for a loaded one like the explorer does, I would consider owning it. Make mine a King ranch with many many dead cows in it.
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09-22-2015, 01:38 PM | #22 |
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Body on frame is usually worse in torsion rigidity. Unibody is generally much stiffer.
What I believe your trying to infer is that because a body of frame vehicle is designed to twist, it can handle overloading better than a unitbody. I will agree with this. I was also referring strictly to SUVs (with a factory intent to do some offroading), not pick up trucks. |
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09-23-2015, 09:58 AM | #24 |
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That is true. We rented an Overland JGC Diesel in Utah for a ski trip and absolutely loved it. One of the best rides ive been in but expensive. On that same note, the 4R isnt cheap either, a new one with KBSS and all that is well in the 40's and they don't really have much for features(not always a bad thing). I personally love both vehicles and if the toyota got an improved engine, that would tip the even scales a bit.
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09-23-2015, 11:49 AM | #25 |
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