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Old 08-17-2013, 11:17 AM   #1
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I have a friend looking at getting a 14 XT Forester. We all know they are only available in the CVT transmission, anyone have any insight into what kind of hp or torque the new CVT's will hold?
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Old 08-17-2013, 11:41 AM   #2
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I have a friend looking at getting a 14 XT Forester. We all know they are only available in the CVT transmission, anyone have any insight into what kind of hp or torque the new CVT's will hold?

Saw something saying the new one was good to 300lbft. Sorry. Can't remember where I saw it.
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Old 08-17-2013, 09:06 PM   #3
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I have a friend looking at getting a 14 XT Forester. We all know they are only available in the CVT transmission, anyone have any insight into what kind of hp or torque the new CVT's will hold?
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and you wanna know something about something that hasnt even hit the market

jesus...this kind of thing KILLS me

how the hell is there gonna be ANY sort of data on anything that isnt even available yet

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Old 08-18-2013, 01:31 AM   #4
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Though Scotty is a little on the harsh side he is right. There hasn't been anybody bold enough to blow up their brand new forester yet. I look forward to owning a 14' FXT in the future. But I am waiting to make sure all the kinks are worked out and somebody has come up with some aftermarket goodies at least.
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Old 08-18-2013, 01:34 AM   #5
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Though Scotty is a little on the harsh side he is right. There hasn't been anybody bold enough to blow up their brand new forester yet. I look forward to owning a 14' FXT in the future. But I am waiting to make sure all the kinks are worked out and somebody has come up with some aftermarket goodies at least.
Check out the forester site. A few of them have blown themselves up. I would wait until the next MY for the bugs to be worked out, but wouldn't buy it with the hopes of modifying it.
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Old 08-23-2013, 05:29 PM   #6
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d000000000000000d

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and you wanna know something about something that hasnt even hit the market

jesus...this kind of thing KILLS me

how the hell is there gonna be ANY sort of data on anything that isnt even available yet

god gawd almighty...why is the grass green and the sky blue???
those we can answer....

whats gonna happen tomorrow??

yeah...right
OMG.
Jesus....This person is kind of a douche.
What's gonna happen tomorrow?
He's still a douche.
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Old 08-23-2013, 06:05 PM   #7
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and you wanna know something about something that hasnt even hit the market

jesus...this kind of thing KILLS me

how the hell is there gonna be ANY sort of data on anything that isnt even available yet

god gawd almighty...why is the grass green and the sky blue???
those we can answer....

whats gonna happen tomorrow??

yeah...right
Um. Thanks. I'm really surprised that you took the time to type all of that out. The reason I started a thread was because the information is not readily available on this particular cvt yet and there are at least a few people on Nasioc who are smart people (although I am convinced that this number goes down every day) who might have some ideas. I know that stock this car runs a honeywell twin scoll with 17 lbs of boost and I know that this is considered close to the top of what that turbo is capable of. I also know that as with any Subaru there is more left on the table with any vehicle that is sold. I know the CVT is made by a German company with a name like NUR or something like that and they have upgraded parts that are supposedly good to 400 and 500 torque. I do not know what the stock bits are rated for. This has nothing to do with people blowing their 14 Foresters up it was all about what it is rated for.

EDIT: I also know that there is at least one tune out there for the 14 Forester already and that COBB expects (or is rumored to) have an accessport ready in Jan.
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Old 08-23-2013, 06:11 PM   #8
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If you check the japanese Subaru web site, it lists different power outputs according to what fuel is used. It appears as if it can adjust boost and timing to make more power with better fuel. The interesting thing is that with better fuel, torque comes on earlier, and holds longer, but it's pretty much capped at around 258 ft-lbs. Based on this, it seems someone wants to keep it limited at that point for the sake of not destroying the CVT. I wouldn't try to push it past 300 ft-lbs.
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Old 08-23-2013, 06:27 PM   #9
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Um. Thanks. I'm really surprised that you took the time to type all of that out. The reason I started a thread was because the information is not readily available on this particular cvt yet and there are at least a few people on Nasioc who are smart people (although I am convinced that this number goes down every day) who might have some ideas. I know that stock this car runs a honeywell twin scoll with 17 lbs of boost and I know that this is considered close to the top of what that turbo is capable of. I also know that as with any Subaru there is more left on the table with any vehicle that is sold. I know the CVT is made by a German company with a name like NUR or something like that and they have upgraded parts that are supposedly good to 400 and 500 torque. I do not know what the stock bits are rated for. This has nothing to do with people blowing their 14 Foresters up it was all about what it is rated for.

EDIT: I also know that there is at least one tune out there for the 14 Forester already and that COBB expects (or is rumored to) have an accessport ready in Jan.
:clap: Your post to him was a lot better than mine. Stupid IU almost graduated education.
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If you check the japanese Subaru web site, it lists different power outputs according to what fuel is used. It appears as if it can adjust boost and timing to make more power with better fuel. The interesting thing is that with better fuel, torque comes on earlier, and holds longer, but it's pretty much capped at around 258 ft-lbs. Based on this, it seems someone wants to keep it limited at that point for the sake of not destroying the CVT. I wouldn't try to push it past 300 ft-lbs.
It because with lower octane fuel it will knock and pull timing. The Japanese ones have a different tune entirely because they have higher octane fuel.
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Old 08-24-2013, 11:51 AM   #11
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It because with lower octane fuel it will knock and pull timing. The Japanese ones have a different tune entirely because they have higher octane fuel.

True. Japan does have higher octane fuel typically than we do here, but do we know this is the same set up that runs like 296 hp and same ish torque in the Legacy DIT?
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Old 08-24-2013, 11:56 AM   #12
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If you check the japanese Subaru web site, it lists different power outputs according to what fuel is used. It appears as if it can adjust boost and timing to make more power with better fuel. The interesting thing is that with better fuel, torque comes on earlier, and holds longer, but it's pretty much capped at around 258 ft-lbs. Based on this, it seems someone wants to keep it limited at that point for the sake of not destroying the CVT. I wouldn't try to push it past 300 ft-lbs.
Subaru's Ecu in this car suposedly learns what fuel you are pump through it and it is the first turbo subaru has put out to my knowledge that 87 oct is ok (although not recommended) but if you put 87 in it I am sure the boost is cut down to protect the turbo but that I am not sure on.
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Old 08-24-2013, 01:23 PM   #13
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Subaru's Ecu in this car suposedly learns what fuel you are pump through it and it is the first turbo subaru has put out to my knowledge that 87 oct is ok (although not recommended) but if you put 87 in it I am sure the boost is cut down to protect the turbo but that I am not sure on.
That was a marketing ploy which they later toned it down on. You can put 87 in any modern turbo Subaru. It will knock and pull timing and run like crap. It knows the gas is lower octane because of the knock. In both my '13 forester manual and 08 wrx manual it says 87 is ok for emergencies but not recommended. Nothing really new there.
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Old 08-24-2013, 04:22 PM   #14
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That was a marketing ploy which they later toned it down on. You can put 87 in any modern turbo Subaru. It will knock and pull timing and run like crap. It knows the gas is lower octane because of the knock. In both my '13 forester manual and 08 wrx manual it says 87 is ok for emergencies but not recommended. Nothing really new there.
Interesting. Good to know.
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