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Old 01-08-2001, 10:07 AM   #1
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Smile Power Boost Coming Soon...

Well....I have my hands on a G-Tech Pro and a Spiral Max SuperCharger.
If everything goes as planned, tomorrow night I will own one of the most powerful non-turbo RS's in the state.
Right now we estimate, with a very bare minimum estimate for my exhaust work and intake, and a few test drives with some other Scoobs, that I am sitting at right around 185-190.
If the Spiral Max works the way I want it to, I will be somewhere between 200 and 220.
Details on Wednesday!
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Old 01-08-2001, 12:06 PM   #2
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What??!?!?! Is that the intake blower fan thingy? I was thinking of buying one of those and testing it for everyone. Let me know if it makes a big difference. I'm po 'an cant 'fford 'un 'em trubos. But I might swing for one of those.
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Old 01-08-2001, 12:21 PM   #3
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I hate to break it to everyone; and this has been gone over on the board a few times as well, but several major automotive magazines have tested the spiral max, tornado (same thing, different name) and a couple of others. They found out that these things do exactly zilch. Actually, that is not true, these devices created turbulence in the airflow which robbed power. Remember the old adage "If it sounds to good to be true, then it probably is."
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Old 01-08-2001, 12:33 PM   #4
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I still think my handheld dirtdevil leafblower hooked up to the battery on the HI setting will be the ultimate solution to the cheap boost enigma.
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Old 01-08-2001, 12:36 PM   #5
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Oh, Templar! You're just afraid I'll get one of these and it'll be legal in STS and it will only further the gap between us.

I think it's getting hot in here!
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Old 01-08-2001, 02:34 PM   #6
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I thought pretty hard about an electric turbo by using a leaf blower. It is not at all feasable. The leaf blower uses a huge (compared to turbo) impeller to blow the air and it spins at a much slower pace. This means it moves a big volume, little pressure air amount. A turbo has a tiny wheel (compared to the leaf blower) that spins at like 100,000 RPM (leaf blower is usually 3600 rpm. The small wheel spinning very fast flows a small volume per revolution, but the insane revs make it enough volume for the car. Since it is a small wheel spinning so fast, flow cannot reverse itself easily (like on the leaf blower) and pressure builds up.
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Old 01-08-2001, 02:59 PM   #7
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check it out
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the new autox season is coming i want to see u guys there in febuary!
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Old 01-08-2001, 07:26 PM   #8
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Muwahahaha,

Steven doesn't know that I have a little surprise in store for him. He will just have to wait. Yes my precious, he will just have to wait.
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Old 01-08-2001, 09:03 PM   #9
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Well, I may be getting some R-compounds!

[british accent]"run away, run away!"[/british accent]
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Old 01-08-2001, 09:22 PM   #10
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wow this is more fun than watching me and nick go at it.
i guess templar was beaten in the last autox season by the better driver?

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Old 01-08-2001, 09:29 PM   #11
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My GT has this anger issue! hahaha.... It doesn't seem to like the thought of loosing to an RS. bahahaha....... ROFL
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Old 01-09-2001, 01:17 AM   #12
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them's fightin words
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Old 01-09-2001, 01:18 AM   #13
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Oh Subi Chick - you will have to take second. I already own the most powerful NA RS in the state.
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Old 01-09-2001, 10:37 AM   #14
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LOL Nick sure so whatcha doin for HP ? I don't know how the sucker will work or if it will but all I want is for it to gimme 15 because with less than 15 hp I'll have 200 at the crank.
That's all I needs. Right now I'm dyno'd at (almost 190 at the crank and) around 150 at the wheels.
So if you gots more than that Nick, I wanna see how ya did it!!! We've driven almost every non-turbo RS in Orlando and none seems to compare.
Besides, I didn't say the MOST powerful, just ONE OF them. Just to be one of em is good for me!

You guys know me....I'll try anything for an extra few HP or to improve my 0-60. My Scoob is just a big toy to me.

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Old 01-09-2001, 10:45 AM   #15
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okay... maaaaaaaaybe... just maybe nick is talking outta the wrong hole I wonder how accurate that G-Tech Pro thingie is (i am assuming that is where you are getting your hp numbers from since you probably didnt put your engine on an engine dyno or had access to an AWD dyno). I should head out to NickCat and test my car. If he eva gets back. May head up there on sat since he invited to beat me like a mule
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Old 01-09-2001, 11:52 AM   #16
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a 'like a rented mule' man... you don't beat the ones you own... you might hurt em!

...and I'm afraid to tell you Subi Chick that won't count as NA anymore... that's forced induction using a fan... Anything used to increase the airflow into the engine other than natural airflow (ala RamAir) itself is forced induction.

And I don't think Nick meant he was faster than me... think he meant he was one of the fastest NA cars in the area.

You guys are welcome to fight over the NA title... I'll just sit here up on my hill as the turbo champ for the time being until sanders or someone else comes along to knock me off.

And for those who didn't know... I just found out my car was only pushing about 280hp... not 300+ because I was running so rich in my higer boost range... but that will be quickly rectified... thanks to the TEC-II... so whoever got a ride in the car before... that was slow... it's gonna be faster... by about 30hp. Now I just gotta find some time to tune it.

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Old 01-09-2001, 02:30 PM   #17
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Have a Nice Day?

Oh come on, be technical why don'tcha....it's still not a turbocharger and I don't have an intercooler

I used the G-Tech Pro. It is accurate to - WORST case scenario - within 3 hp and 1/10 of a second.

PS: Nick, is that crank HP or avail HP?
And how are you the fastest Non-turbo when everyone else beat you at auto-cross?

Oh boy am I gonna get my butt whipped for that one!



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Old 01-09-2001, 02:53 PM   #18
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You don't need to have an Intercooler to be forced induction... most turbo kits on cars don't have ICs... the definition of forced induction is that you are forcing air into the engine by unatural means... :P

the G-tech is pretty accurate... but it's also very dependant on how flat the road is... you are suppose to do multiple runs in each direction to get an average to compensate for unlevel surfaces. Did you read the instructions?

Is what crank hp... what the G-tech gives you is wheel hp. and that is crank hp... that's also based on the numbers that shiv recieved in his car running a near identical setup. So I can't be that far off.

And I might have not been the fastest in the auto-x... but it was my first time... and I think for only taking 3 runs I did a hell of a job knocking over 4 seconds off my worst time... not to shabby... and I think I could shave a little more off now... with the new suspension and tires with more than a fingernail of tread on them.

and uhhh... stop the presses... but I don't recall seeing your car running the course miss 'I like to co-pilot'! This is one of those put your money where your mouth is deals... that's all the whooping you get for now... I'll be nice!

Hey if anyone wants to drag... I'll be happy to show you what the turbo can do... I might be mediocre in the corners right now... but I'll tear you up in the straights... that's a fact...

Why am I forever defending myself... damn you people! :P

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Old 01-09-2001, 04:21 PM   #19
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What I meant by non-turbo was....a car that does not have a turbo kit - ie, turbo and intercooler - on it...but since everyone wants to be so technical Ok I don't count as non-turbo....Then I can't be one of the most powerful non-turbos But i can still have fun man!! Especially when I auto-cross next year!

No, I didn't read the instructions on the G-Tech. thought I'd do a couple runs without reading the instructions just to see the pretty numbers and interpret the results my own way. C'mon, I have an analytical brain, of course I'd read the instructions
I actually have done a few runs with it already, but I miscalculated my car's weight so I have to re-run it with more time and space.

Oh - I never said I was FAST. I said I wanted to be POWERFUL and all you need to prove POWER is dyno results. Power is just the car - fast is more than just the car it's also the guy drivin'

"At the crank" .... by that I mean available HP as opposed to actual. For example, our cars have 165hp from factory. Let's say I added another 21 for exhaust and intake work. (Being very modest with my estimates.) That means that I have (or anyone who did the same would have ) approx. 186 HP "at the crank" or, HP that the motor has to use.
Now, HP that it actually uses - actual HP versus available HP.... I would AWD dyno or GTech dyno at around 150-160, as I have so far in my first (not-so-accurate) runs. So that, even with 186 available for me to use, what I actually use is more like 150. That's what I meant.
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Old 01-09-2001, 04:38 PM   #20
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hahahaha. I never am an A$$hole but this is just hilarious. 1st of all, that spiralmax DECREASED a civec EX engine by 2.1 HP. Not only that, I used to have on on my mx-3. It's just blocking airflow and it does a very good job of it. 2nd, 185 HP at the crank will NOT qualify you for fastest NA impreza. Hell once my MRT headers/exhaust are here I'll have (15-intake, 14-headers/exhaust, approx 3 for pulley TO THE WHEELS) that's about 205 to 210 at the crank. Am I really making that much HP??? hell no. When I get trey's cams in theory I'll be making 235-240 but did I ACTUALLY increase my HP by 70 or so. heeeeeeeellllllllll no. I'm GLAD your excited subichick but I thought you were like a big time racer girl. YOu should know this stuff. cmon. And we'll see who has the "fastest" NA impreza very soon (so far andreas01 @ 14.7 I think) that will be broken very, very soon

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Old 01-09-2001, 04:58 PM   #21
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Um, actually, you ARE being an A$$hole, and people like you are the reason why I don't come on the sight any more. In fact, people like you are the reason I'm sorry I came on today.

#1 - I never said I was the fastest NA Impreza around, I only said I WANT to be ONE of the most POWERFUL around. And I said it kind of jokingly.
#2 - I posted that stuff to share with my friends - PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY KNOW ME - what new tricks I was trying to get my Scoob moving. CORRECT ME if I am wrong, but I THOUGHT we all shared a common interest here: our cars and having fun with them.
#3 - "I'm glad your excited subichick but I thought you were this big time racer girl"
Um..."your" means something that belongs to you...as in "your scoob". I think you meant to say "YOU ARE": "YOU'RE excited." And it's a Honda Civic not a Civec.
#4 - If you had read NickSTi's posts and NickCat's posts, you would see that we were all just bs'ing about how fast our cars are.
No one but you really takes it seriously enough to be rude about it.
#5 - When I made the statement about wheels/crank HP, I was just explaining my train of thought to Nick. Anyone who knows ANYTHING about cars would have realized that.

Oh, and, by the way, I've been autocross crew for over a year, am now road race crew, and am earning my rally co-driver's license this year. I may not be arrogant and know how to forget my punctuation like you, but I do know quite a lot of what I'm talking about. And damn, just think of how much I'm going to learn.

I never said I was the fastest, never said I knew it all. But I am proud of far my car and I have come. And if you can't be an adult about it, then that just shows me your true character.



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Old 01-09-2001, 05:05 PM   #22
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Your numbers are waaaay off...

A Stock RS makes: 94.6 hp at the wheels

The best air filter/exhaust setup that Shiv could come up with was:

Stromung Dual Tip Exhaust
Minnam Air Intake
APEXi S-AFC

This combination out of about 6 others setups only yielded a 18.4 hp gain (113.0 hp)at the wheels.

The only other larger hp gain was from the Stromung/JC Sports Intake setup that yielded a 19.7 hp gain (114.3 hp) but had strange losses in other areas of the power curve.

So you might want to re-read those directions... or you way undercalculated the weight of the car.

For the record the Subaru AWD system carries with it a serious mechanical loss penelty(mostly due to the 5 drive axels and gears we have). In the stock car you lose over 70 hp through the system leaving just a fraction of what you started with to drive the car. Now this loss isn't proportianl with the amount of hp you gain. So the percentage loss isn't always the same, nor is the gain.

So if I add the percent due to drive train loss to my wheel hp it's not the correct amount of hp for my car.

The formula is really messed up but basically it's a combination of this percent loss + a static loss from the drive trane. Shiv understands it more than me.

All these numbers were from the March 2000 Issue of SCC. No I didn't memorize this crap... I'm not completely insane.

I just wanted you to know why the numbers were off as oppose to telling you they were without reason.

Well time to pack for Detroit... later.

-Nick

EDIT: Spunky for the record... when you add mods the theoretical HP you get from them dosen't add up. It overlaps so there is no way you got 70 hp from those mods.. hate to be the bearer of bad news man. Unfortunatly 2 + 2 does not equal 4 in car mechanics

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Old 01-09-2001, 05:28 PM   #23
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Thanks for the actual numbers, Nick...
I'm off to have fun with my car....
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Old 01-09-2001, 09:29 PM   #24
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WooooooooW this turned into something not-to-nice.
Nick, Subi Chick did not say I said I was faster than you... OR it was editted.

But I AM faster than you punk!

Lets try to get along. Subi Chick - just do your thing, its your car, and just their opinions. But I havent heard good things about that thing tho.
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Old 01-09-2001, 10:17 PM   #25
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umm.. let's see. NickCat, I said IN THEORY.. u proved my point. I was saying that I would have 235 HP or something.. in which case i said HELL NO. Maybe I am just confused about the whole joking thing but I guess a lot of my friends got really serious about my car. I don't have the money to buy cobb intake/headers/exhaust/SFC/AF gauge/shifter/FP gauge/FPR coming soon. Not only that, we've ran 1 15.08 only with larry's intake. Ask AWDriver.. he's seen me run 15.3 (I think.. or 4's) with just larry's intake only. and about being gutted.. it's bad and getting WORSE. it's not a lease noe so everything's cool. It's my car, it's fast and I love it. beat another 5.0 through 2nd... hehe

bret.. PS.. AFTER headers/exhaust/cams/intake/SFC/pulley I'm hoping for 210 crank horses.. seems reasonable I think. maybe 205. sorry about my spelling, I never spellcheck, and I won't this time.

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