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Old 07-18-2020, 09:43 AM   #1
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Iíve been toying with doing a brake upgrade on my 2001 2.5RS. Iím thinking 4 pot fronts and H6 rears. Anyways Iíve been looking around for some 4 pot calipers (preferably unpainted because I want mine to be paint matched to my car anyways) and I stumbled upon these. Theyíre significantly cheaper than 06-07 or imported gc8 ones and claim to be refurbed by a remanufacturing company. Would you trust these? Why or why not?


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Your URL is broken, leads to a 404.

As far as a brake upgrade, my $0.02 is to go with either Z32 or ATS front calipers with matching brackets, and H6 rear rotors and brackets. There is also the option of the reman Powerstop brembos, which are FAR more affordable than used STI calipers and anyone who says they're worse is likely trying to sell a used set.
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Can't see your reference because your link is broken. You may not have pasted the complete link.

Buying re-built calipers is perfectly fine as long as you know what you are buying.

Companies that sell rebuilt calipers are in the business of buying up old brake calipers and rebuilding them to spec. As long as the caliper and resulting build are with in the spec range, they are considered to pass.

That means they could be at the low end of the spec or at the high end of the spec, where they are on the edge of failing to meet spec.

The resulting caliper is only as good as the rebuild process used by whatever company does the rebuild.

Like anything else, there are good companies and there are bad companies to deal with.
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Old 07-18-2020, 10:22 AM   #4
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Your URL is broken, leads to a 404.

As far as a brake upgrade, my $0.02 is to go with either Z32 or ATS front calipers with matching brackets, and H6 rear rotors and brackets. There is also the option of the reman Powerstop brembos, which are FAR more affordable than used STI calipers and anyone who says they're worse is likely trying to sell a used set.


Iíll upload some screenshots in a minute.

My goal is to still clear my 16Ē rally/snow tires, so that takes most Brembo or Brembo sized options out unfortunately. I will look into the z32 option, as I didnít know that was a possibility.
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Old 07-18-2020, 10:25 AM   #5
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My goal is to still clear my 16” rally/snow tires, so that takes most Brembo or Brembo sized options out unfortunately. I will look into the z32 option, as I didn’t know that was a possibility.
What wheels are you using? Your original 2.5RS wheels?
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Old 07-18-2020, 10:32 AM   #6
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What wheels are you using? Your original 2.5RS wheels?


Yes. My summer wheels clear Brembos but I would still like to be able to mount my 16s

I will try posting the link again. If it doesnít work I will post screenshots.


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Old 07-18-2020, 10:41 AM   #7
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So, those don't work either.

I saw something recently in a couple of threads that there is a free site here on NASIOC for posting pictures, something to do with imgur.

If you do a search, I'm sure it will show up as I saw these within the last coupe of days.

What are you using for summer wheels?
Do you know what the backset is for your rally wheels? 55mm?
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Can't see your reference because your link is broken. You may not have pasted the complete link.

Buying re-built calipers is perfectly fine as long as you know what you are buying.

Companies that sell rebuilt calipers are in the business of buying up old brake calipers and rebuilding them to spec. As long as the caliper and resulting build are with in the spec range, they are considered to pass.

That means they could be at the low end of the spec or at the high end of the spec, where they are on the edge of failing to meet spec.

The resulting caliper is only as good as the rebuild process used by whatever company does the rebuild.

Like anything else, there are good companies and there are bad companies to deal with.
Whereas with used calipers, there is still the same variability in "spec" (not sure what "spec" means, they only have 4 moving parts...), the mounting holes are often destroyed, the finish is invariable poor, and no warranty or guarantee of any sort.
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Old 07-18-2020, 12:55 PM   #10
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Whereas with used calipers, there is still the same variability in "spec" (not sure what "spec" means, they only have 4 moving parts...), the mounting holes are often destroyed, the finish is invariable poor, and no warranty or guarantee of any sort.
" Spec " relates to the size of the pistons / piston cylinders, how good the threads are, etc.

For instance, the piston chambers could be out of round, but not out of round to be considered out of spec.

That's just one example


There is always a chance with used calipers. That's why you ask for complete pictures. If they won't provide, you go elsewhere.

Used is not necessarily bad. It all depends on how old they are and how well the user took care of them, or not.
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Iíve been toying with doing a brake upgrade on my 2001 2.5RS.
When you say 'brake upgrade', what exactly do you mean by 'upgrade'? What do you want any replacement parts to be better at? For what kind(s) of driving?


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Old 07-19-2020, 09:19 AM   #12
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06/07 wrx TR 4pot fronts and 2 pot rears would be the first step. Thought I read somewhere the five or six spoke wheels clear 4pots, but I may be incorrect. Next step would be the Brembo calipers that use larger rotors for more leverage. I have the 4pot/2pot TR calipers on my 95 and haven't exceeded their limits with normal daily driving. Am just running normal 02-07 wrx rotors and replaced my rear backing plate with the newer ones from 06/07 wrx to bolt the rear calipers up.

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Old 07-19-2020, 09:43 AM   #13
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When you say 'brake upgrade', what exactly do you mean by 'upgrade'? What do you want any replacement parts to be better at? For what kind(s) of driving?





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My stock calipers are super rusty and one I believe is starting to leak. Instead of rebuilding bad sliders it makes sense to upgrade while Iím at it. Just looking for a slight performance bump and a better pedal feel. Also the 4 pots look better

Canít find out how to show you all what calipers I am looking at but they are on Parts Geek and they are rebuilt by ďA1 CardoneĒ for 62 bucks a piece.

I considered doing the 2 pot rears but the price and hassle doesnít seem worth it yet on an NA car. Maybe when I go to an EJ205 I will do 2 pot rears
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Old 07-19-2020, 09:45 AM   #14
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When you say 'brake upgrade', what exactly do you mean by 'upgrade'? What do you want any replacement parts to be better at? For what kind(s) of driving?





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Oh and for what kinds of driving: mostly just a fun street car. Maybe an auto cross/rally cross event 1-2 times a year. I want to track it some day but I wonít be tracking one a regular basis and it is not the goal of my build
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Canít find out how to show you all what calipers I am looking at but they are on Parts Geek and they are rebuilt by ďA1 CardoneĒ for 62 bucks a piece.

I considered doing the 2 pot rears but the price and hassle doesnít seem worth it yet on an NA car. Maybe when I go to an EJ205 I will do 2 pot rears
Can you post the actual link for the particular calipers you are referring to?

I have a set of A1 Cardone rebuilds and they are very good. Did a lot of searching before buying their particular brand and they had many good reviews.

Instead of 2-pot rears, you can always do the H6 rear upgrade. Far less expensive than going 2-pots and you get almost the same result.

You can get rebuilt upgrade rear calipers from A1 Cardone.
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My stock calipers are super rusty and one I believe is starting to leak. Instead of rebuilding bad sliders it makes sense to upgrade while I’m at it. Just looking for a slight performance bump and a better pedal feel.
Better performance - meaning more 'bite' for a given amount of pedal pressure - and at least potentially better fade resistance is mostly in your pad selection. Whether you use the brakes hard enough to actually benefit from improved fade resistance is a separate matter.

I'm not suggesting track-rated pads yet, as they're apt to bring a few downsides along with the improved performance (squeaking during gentle stops, more brake dust, increased rotor wear). But there are a few performance-oriented street pads that give you increased bite without the above disadvantages. I'd personally choose either Carbotech 1521/Bobcat or G-loc GS-1 for a street-driven-only car.


This isn't to discourage you from making sure that your braking system is in good mechanical and hydraulic condition. Far from it. Just that you don't necessarily have to upgrade the calipers or rotors to get a substantial improvement in day to day braking. Even introductory to intermediate-level track driving may not need any more than pads and fluid of appropriate temperature resistance.


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Can you post the actual link for the particular calipers you are referring to?

I have a set of A1 Cardone rebuilds and they are very good. Did a lot of searching before buying their particular brand and they had many good reviews.

Instead of 2-pot rears, you can always do the H6 rear upgrade. Far less expensive than going 2-pots and you get almost the same result.

You can get rebuilt upgrade rear calipers from A1 Cardone.
Every time I try the link doesn't work. I am not sure why.

My plan is to do 4 pot front H6 rear.
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Old 07-19-2020, 02:34 PM   #18
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Better performance - meaning more 'bite' for a given amount of pedal pressure - and at least potentially better fade resistance is mostly in your pad selection. Whether you use the brakes hard enough to actually benefit from improved fade resistance is a separate matter.

I'm not suggesting track-rated pads yet, as they're apt to bring a few downsides along with the improved performance (squeaking during gentle stops, more brake dust, increased rotor wear). But there are a few performance-oriented street pads that give you increased bite without the above disadvantages. I'd personally choose either Carbotech 1521/Bobcat or G-loc GS-1 for a street-driven-only car.


This isn't to discourage you from making sure that your braking system is in good mechanical and hydraulic condition. Far from it. Just that you don't necessarily have to upgrade the calipers or rotors to get a substantial improvement in day to day braking. Even introductory to intermediate-level track driving may not need any more than pads and fluid of appropriate temperature resistance.


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I hear what you are saying. I was just hoping to find out whether it is suggested that I buy A1 Cardone calipers because they cost 20 buck more than a rebuild kit and I need new pads and rotors soon anyways. Its a while I'm at it sort of thing and if I can do the upgrade for just a little more than a rebuild why not upgrade.
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Old 07-20-2020, 11:49 AM   #19
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For what it's worth, I have reman calipers on both of my cars. A combination of Powerstop front Brembo and Centric rear FHI 2 pot on one. And a set of original 90s 4 pots and cardone & nugeone 2 pots on the other. I haven't had any issues with any of them.

By far the most cost effective way I found for FHI/06-07 4/2-pots is through Tire Rack. They carry loaded Centric remans that come with pads (which seem to be very nice street pads) and hardware and without cores required. They have a very nice red paint/powdercoat as well.
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Old 07-24-2020, 03:22 PM   #20
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go remans, i got my set from rock auto. they look like new, blasted etc. seals etc look great.

the rear h6 upgrade i have had on my car for over 15 yrs. its mainly the bracket and the caliper is the same.

you can get a slightly wider rear caliper from a legacy and then use a legacy vented rear rotor if you really wanted to.
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It seems there has been a lot of reman calipers popping up lately... I bought a complete set of mystery Brembos off eBay that I hope aren't trash. They aren't branded, just unfinished "Brembos"... we'll see
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