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Old 06-17-2004, 01:10 PM   #1
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Question Anyone been tuned by GTMOTORSPORTS

Has anyone here had there car dyno tuned by GT Motorsports? They are doing an install for me on a FMIC and I'm talking to them about tuning my car. I am looking at the Ekutec with a 91 and a 103 map. haven't heard much about them so wanted to hear the SCIC feedback.

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Old 06-18-2004, 01:23 PM   #2
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Common 52 people looked at this but nobodys had them tune their car? I need some piece of mind before I hand my baby over. Thank you for replying I hope.
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Old 06-18-2004, 01:35 PM   #3
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I don't know about their dyno tuning (I believe that's a different guy than I dealt with), but here's something I posted on here a while back re: GT Motorsports and namely ChristophWRX, one of their workers who visits these forums sometimes.

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http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...s&pagenumber=2

and here's a cut & paste of my comments directed to Christopher of GT Motorsports:


ChristophWRX, I gave you the benefit of the doubt, and refrained from bashing you online, but GT Motorsports does not deserve to be mentioned in the same thread as Suby Specialties without telling my story.

First off, I asked via email for prices for a clutch and flywheel, among other things. Price for clutch = x, for flywheel = y. Price for clutch was too high, flywheel was a good deal, Christoph recommended that I buy a clutch somewhere else, and the flywheel from them. I replied with another few emails, with clear concise lists of what I would buy from GT and what I would bring to have installed. He replied to these emails, "OK sounds good," as if to say he had read them or something.

He asked me to put down a $100 deposit in advance to order the flywheel because it's not in stock. (I now realize that this was a bad idea, dealing with a business that couldn't front $100 to order parts.)

Then a few days later when I arrive to have everything installed, it turns out the flywheel was the high price, oops he said flywheel but meant clutch. Oops he did this in over three different emails. Funny how he took my money first, and mentioned the price difference after I was pretty much locked into the deal, so I ended up paying the difference, eh? Also, from the looks of the shop, if I had not put down a deposit to order my flywheel, I would have walked out of GT Motorsports the first day I walked in there. There was an Integra on display as the shop car, full assortment of Tenzo-R and tasteless taillights, and the guy you talked to about what you wanted done to your car was NOT the guy who ended up working on your car.

I had to go to the repair shop down the street (BTW, the sign on this shop's door said something other than GT Motorsports) to speak to the mechanic who worked on my car. There's more, but I'm sick of writing and remembering. This happened in July 2003 if I recall, so maybe things have changed since then. I will never return to find out, though.

-scott-



To be fair, the night I came to pick up my car (four days after I brought it there for what was supposed to be a day's worth of flywheel / clutch work), I met and chatted with Echi (might have spelled that name wrong), their dyno guy. He seemed pretty knowledgeable and nice. But based on their business structure, and the way I saw them interact with a couple other customers, I still wouldn't go there.

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Old 06-18-2004, 01:39 PM   #4
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I vote for NO!!! dont go there after reading that..

and you live in San Clemente... thats awesome.. I grew up in Shore Cliffs if you know where that is...
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Old 06-18-2004, 01:45 PM   #5
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After I posted that, we exchanged a few PM's, which I would like to make public, just to give people a further insight into the way ChristophWRX thinks and acts.
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ChristophWRX wrote on 02-19-2004 01:24 PM:
Scotty 305:
I think your comments are understood, but out of line...
saying that we don't deserve to be in the same post as suby specialties....that is not right...
The flywheel was not my fault, bash me all you want...come to the shop and bash me though...not at some mesage boards...

I made a comment about speed factory, not suby speciaties...speed factory is not a very good shop at all...from customers point of view...

Thanks,
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scotty305 wrote on 02-20-2004 01:14 AM:
Do you truly feel you guys are in the same league as Suby Specialties? Have you ever been there? They are the absolute best at what they do. The only downside at all is that are very busy now that everyone and their grandmother bought WRX's, and there aren't enough good Subaru mechanics in SoCal.

Why should I come back to your shop to 'bash you'? What would be the point? I already gave GT Motorsports a chance, and YOU goofed, that's all there is to it. I had never heard anything about your shop, but I trusted you anyways because of what you had said on these forums. We emailed back and forth several times, and you misquoted the price for the flywheel at least three times, how is that not your fault? The unprofessional part was making me pay for your mistake, do you even remember the price difference now between what you said over email, and what I ended up paying? It's not that I couldn't afford it, it's that you said one price (via email) and later charged me another, after I had put a credit card deposit down, essentially locking myself into the deal.

That, my friend, is bad business. Maybe it was a rare mistake, maybe that thing never happens, maybe you usually work on cars yourself instead of sending them to the shop down the street, but I don't care now man. It's over, and next time I need work done, I won't be coming to you. I'm only one customer, don't worry about it too much.

I almost didn't respond to your PM. I'm not writing you back just because I want to piss you off, or get back at you. I'm writing because maybe you really did make an honest mistake, maybe I caught you at a bad time or something. But if you thought that I was happy with my experience at your shop, I wasn't, and I want to let you know why, so that if you care to fix things, maybe you care to know what went wrong.


I did not write anything untrue on those forums, I could have mentioned other things like the extra money I paid because your shop couldn't find my pilot bearing (I found it when I looked under the passenger seat, just like I told you to check there over the phone), or how you didn't change the rear diff. fluid like I asked over email and also in person, or how you guys gave me two bottles of NeoSynthetic HD, when I paid full price for RHD.

Hey good luck to you, I hope you change and do better, but I've got other shops I can go to, don't try to make it up to me now just because I shared my experience online.

-s-

PS, I know nothing about Speed Factory, I made no comments about them. The original topic of the thread was Suby Specialties, and you had to mention your shop... had to stick your nose in their business. (then again, so did Speed Factory, but I don't have any experience with them, or trust me I would let people know)



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ChristophWRX wrote on 02-20-2004 07:58 AM:
Grow some sack, if it was me i would not have charged you more, the pricing on the exedy stuff was incorrect, i feel bad about it, that is the point, it was not up to me, but if you had some sack you would have asked to see the man in charge....
Like i said, i feel bad....this arguement is about pricing, not about how good we are, can suby specialties build a full 2.7 ltr race motor...?
CZ
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scotty305 wrote on 02-21-2004 01:48 AM:
I'm sorry I even wasted my time messaging you. You completely missed every point I tried to communicate to you. Goodbye.


-s-
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ChristophWRX wrote on 02-22-2004 11:10 AM:
Your point( i get your point) you are an unsatisfied customer, you are likely one of the only people who feel that way, and you have a right to. You gave GT a chance and were very unsatisfied, next time go to our web site and write to the web site, which the owner sees instead of bashing me on community boards, grow some sac dude..lol..
Good Luck with the 2.5rs....
Christopher

Maybe he's right, maybe there are satisfied customers out there of GT Motorsports, but I doubt any of them dealt with Christopher. I would recommend that you go elsewhere for your install, or at least ask to speak to the mechanic who will be doing the install before you pay them any money or drop off your car. They might still be subcontracting installs to Undercar Specialties down the street, who seem to have decent mechanics, but if your job requires fabricating or modifying, I don't know how well they do these things. I will always recommend Suby Specialties to anyone who lives in the greater L.A. region.

www.subyspecialties.com

Good luck,
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Old 06-18-2004, 01:50 PM   #6
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If you live in San Clemente, I've heard there's someone near San Diego with an all-wheel dyno, I don't know their name but you should be able to find them by searching.

I would be more concerned about finding someone who's good at tuning your particular engine management system, they could probably get plenty done in just a road tuning session.

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Old 06-18-2004, 01:58 PM   #7
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I haven't been to GT myself, but I have worked with Echi many times and he is a great guy always willing to help. And since he does the dyno tuning, I would trust him with my car as long as he needed it!
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Old 06-18-2004, 02:18 PM   #8
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I don't mind paying for dyno tuning to get it right. So far the only people who have worked on my car is Subi Specialties. My car is a Vishnu Stg 1. They were the only place I could find that was able to get me a DR500 as they were discontinued so I bought from there. They quoted a great price to do the FMIC, CAI and blow off install so I said sure. I was going to do that wait then do the turbo, inj, FP and Ekutec dyno tune but I'm getting ancy to do it all at once. However I am hesitant to have them do it all as I have never done bussiness with them and have heard poor comments from a few different people here and on the vender review. To be fair there were good comments from a few as well. I was hoping someone had done bussiness with them recently.
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Old 06-18-2004, 03:54 PM   #9
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In doing business there are 3 factors that play a role two of which everyone pays a lot of attention to (Product/Services and Economics) and the third is often left out until the troubled times (Trust).

Business has been turned away for that very reason. If one goes into a business transaction with doubts or distrust it is the making of trouble. If there is distrust in the beginning even the simplest of trouble will perpetuate the distrust.

This forum is the prime example of how many problems can and does exist in this industry especially when YOU start to modify a designed and engineered vehicle to suite your wants however extreme/outrageous they may be.

In closing if you have the slightest doubt, then do not have it done there.

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Old 06-18-2004, 04:01 PM   #10
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In doing business there are 3 factors that play a role two of which everyone pays a lot of attention to (Product/Services and Economics) and the third is often left out until the troubled times (Trust).

Business has been turned away for that very reason. If one goes into a business transaction with doubts or distrust it is the making of trouble. If there is distrust in the beginning even the simplest of trouble will perpetuate the distrust.

This forum is the prime example of how many problems can and does exist in this industry especially when YOU start to modify a designed and engineered vehicle to suite your wants however extreme/outrageous they may be.

In closing if you have the slightest doubt, then do not have it done there.

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Well put... to bad you cannot deal directly through a certain person sometimes... In other business deals I have... I have to deal with the owner and then the person that I want to work with... It truely sucks... and has ruined some ties...
My experiances have been with buying and selling firearms though.

Edit: so I remove my NO!!! status and say if you can deal direct with Echi... by all means you should give him the chance... and the thumbs up from Chelz helps too.. being that she is putting her MOD status on the line by the referal.
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Old 06-18-2004, 04:11 PM   #11
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I agree with some of what you say. But trust is something that is earned not given. I have not met you or chris or even seen your shop so as I have had no interaction with you other than how this whole thing started. Do I have trust no. Do I have distrust no. I was looking for someone who had done bussiness with you in the past to hear how it went for them. My original goal was to do a small intall draw my own conclutions then go from there but I am changing my mind. I'm now preparing to spend more than $5,000 with your company. I have heard nothing but good about your tuning and that is a huge relief. I am just trying to hear from the community about how their interactions have gone. I do understand 100% that it is always the people with something negative to say who speak the loudest. I was told you work on alot of subis so i figured I would have no problem hearing back about your company good or bad. I'm sorry if you took that as sign of distrust.

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Old 06-18-2004, 04:20 PM   #12
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I think that I will take the second position to tune your car. You may go to whom ever you want and if your car comes out great then that would have been your best route. If not then you
will know first hand how things are and where to go.

Sometimes principles means more than making a buck.

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Old 06-18-2004, 04:34 PM   #13
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I don't understand what principles you are talking about? So since I asked for an opinion on your company you won't work on my car? Feel free to PM or call me if you want you guys have my number.

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He means he will personally oversee everything that happends to your car and not try and screw you on anything... lamens terms froma lamen.
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Old 06-18-2004, 07:19 PM   #15
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Now, the reason I jumped in on this is that I feel that someone planning to spend this kind of money ($5000) should see things for them self and question this method (Posting) of seeking out information.

Is posting on a forum "is Damian Craig a good person" a valid method of finding out who you are or would me taking time to meet you and talk to you help me form my own opinion. Your own opinion should carry more weight than anyone in this world.

To post like this yield nothing. You can do the same to any shop and will get the same type of result. Do it with Arco, Shell, 76, GT, Visnu, Subi Spec, T-mobil, Verizon. You will get the same thing. Some will like you and some will hate you.

I want this to be an example: That if you want to do business (with any shop)give the the courtesy and call, visit discuss and find out for yourself. If you depend on hearsay you are limiting yourself especially when the feed back is minimal.

Just my posting puts a negative thought to mind. Defending yourself in situations like this can be a loosing battle. Look at what you are eluding to in this comment "So since I asked for an opinion on your company you won't work on my car?" that sets me up for trouble.

Defending that is difficult. People will think

"He is defending himself because he is guilty."
"He is silent because he is knows he is bad"

All of this yield problems. This is the beginning of a problem and
I rather know you as someone that I avoided having problems with than someone that I had a problems with.

Only good can come out of using me second. If things go well for you. You would have made the right decision but if things don't go well for you, you can be the one to speak for GT and have a tuned car to prove it.

I will have my final post soon..........

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Old 06-18-2004, 09:58 PM   #16
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can suby specialties build a full 2.7 ltr race motor...?

Yes, no problem!!

Do they (S.S.) dyno tune?? No! Echi does!!!




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Old 06-18-2004, 10:20 PM   #17
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Guys, GT Motorsports is cool...they dynoed and ecuteked my car and Echi went out of his way to meet with me at MY house and further fine tuned my car.
They did a good job and the place is professionally kept.

I don't know Echi nor the owners of GT personally, so I am speaking from experience.
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Old 06-18-2004, 10:57 PM   #18
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this is what happned when i went to gt motorsports. i dealt with christopher. and i had no complaints some things might be a lil pricey but for tuning you get what you pay for and i got a great tune. and everyone seemed fine to me including christopher.
now this is just from my visit. and i plan on going there again next month to tune my 18g
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Old 06-19-2004, 02:07 AM   #19
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Best thing to do is pick up the phone or take a day and meet the people there and make an opinion of your own. Christopher is a very knowledgable, and always goes out of his way to help the customer out. I say this from personal experience.
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