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Old 11-23-2017, 08:59 AM   #1
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Old 11-24-2017, 08:02 AM   #2
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Old 11-24-2017, 11:52 AM   #3
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Old 11-24-2017, 12:24 PM   #4
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Go $10k more and get the M2 cause you get more than that back when you sell it.
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Old 11-24-2017, 01:04 PM   #5
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48k for the entry 2-series? Wow.
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Old 11-27-2017, 03:30 PM   #6
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Do people even buy new BMWs anymore?
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Old 11-27-2017, 04:26 PM   #7
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Do people even buy new BMWs anymore?
I think BMW dealers just use them to get lunch for a year and then sell them as CPO. I saw a window stickered M4 pull up to Jersey Mike's and 2 sales dudes got out. That's just what I look for in a new car, the stale smell of sandwiches and cheeto farts.
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Old 11-27-2017, 04:29 PM   #8
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Let someone else eat the depreciation
CPO is the "new" new
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Old 11-27-2017, 05:18 PM   #9
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Do people even buy new BMWs anymore?
BMW and Audi's are most leased around Chicago. I woulds say it is close to 70/30 with the 30% purchased being old die-hard enthusiasts or their immediate family.

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Old 11-28-2017, 08:24 AM   #10
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48k for the entry 2-series? Wow.
I was shopping for a 235i (I-6 TT) 2 years ago. A fully loaded one could be had for 37k, with only 8k miles on it. This in New England area, which doesnt sell many of those. Going to FL you could find much more options for less.

Nice cars, but overpriced.
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Old 11-28-2017, 02:15 PM   #11
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Do people even buy new BMWs anymore?
Here in Seattle, every three years or so. It's the Toyota Camry of Seattle, ritzy types drive Tesla, or Mazerati.
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Old 11-28-2017, 10:02 PM   #12
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Paid $48,600 for my 2016 M235 with a 6mt, moonroof delete (no money back), no nav, but with most every other option. No leasing for me. Pricey? Perhaps..... if you're the type that thinks size and weight equates to value and price. Nothing comes close to this car in this price and quality range and segment. About the only comparable cars are the Mustang and Camaro. They're better performance cars, but they don't come close to the quality, refinement, elegant styling, and interior room.
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Old 11-29-2017, 08:13 AM   #13
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You can get Chevy SS for about 40k now

You could a Vette stripper for 52k

You could get a S4 for about the same price.
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Old 11-30-2017, 02:45 PM   #14
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Awesome car, but sedate and plain jane as hell. It's a 4,000lb barge too, not a sports car. If all you care about is speed, room, and easy power for a cheap price, it's a good choice, especially if you can find a very rare 6MT.

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Great sports car for the money and near supercar levels of performance. But where will my kids sit? Also, I'm only 43, I'm skinny and not overweight, I have a full head of hair, I'm not a military vet, and I don't own any cold chains so I'm not sure they'd sell me one.


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You could get a S4 for about the same price.
A typically optioned S4 is more like $60K and it bases as $50K. It's slower and doesn't handle as good as an M235/240. Has horrendous understeer. No 6MT option either.
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It's the Toyota Camry of Bellevue, ritzy types drive Tesla, or Mazerati.
corrected... The toyota camry of seattle is the Outback...
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Old 11-30-2017, 04:14 PM   #16
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No, that's the Camry of Capitol Hill...
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Paid $48,600 for my 2016 M235 with a 6mt, moonroof delete (no money back), no nav, but with most every other option. No leasing for me. Pricey? Perhaps..... if you're the type that thinks size and weight equates to value and price. Nothing comes close to this car in this price and quality range and segment. About the only comparable cars are the Mustang and Camaro. They're better performance cars, but they don't come close to the quality, refinement, elegant styling, and interior room.
Man, moonroof delete? I wanted that for years, and they wait til I stop buying BMWs?

The last BMW I drove was a 225i M Sport at the BMW autoX event thing. Drove great.

I don't have a need for a BMW anymore - I drive for work, so need high MPG, big hatchback/trunk and cheap - no BMWs fit that. If i got a different job and BMW made a rear-drive 4 or 5 door 2 series (with moonroof delete) I'd buy it. I even like their 2.0T, sounds nice and performs great.
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Old 12-03-2017, 02:54 PM   #18
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Man, moonroof delete? I wanted that for years, and they wait til I stop buying BMWs?

The last BMW I drove was a 225i M Sport at the BMW autoX event thing. Drove great.

I don't have a need for a BMW anymore - I drive for work, so need high MPG, big hatchback/trunk and cheap - no BMWs fit that. If i got a different job and BMW made a rear-drive 4 or 5 door 2 series (with moonroof delete) I'd buy it. I even like their 2.0T, sounds nice and performs great.
I like the deleted moonroof because 1) ~40lbs less weight, 2) 2" more headroom, 3) no moonroof related rattles/leak potential, and 4) and fewer German electronics systems

I had a 2012 WRX 5 door prior to this car. My 13 y/o boy and 9 y/o fit happily in the back of the M235. I'm 6' 2" and can fit in the back seat for a 30-60 minutes ride assuming the driver is 5' 10" or less. It's far more roomy than people think. There's about 2" less rear legroom in the 2 series compared to the WRX. With the rear seats down, I can still fit my road bike in the M235, just as a I did in the WRX. There have been very few situations where I needed the room of my hatchback. In those instances, I use the wife's Outback 3.6r.

I see around 22-23 mpg in city driving (lots of flogging) and 28-30mpg in pure 75-80mph driving.
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