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Old 12-08-2017, 04:26 PM   #851
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Ok, Besides the engine and a revised HDCVT I see outback parts (shifter switchgear) Inprezaish dash material and gauges. Perhaps the overhead HVAC is new but nothing far out

I think a Premium with a roof looks like the best buy and from what I see it's your typical Subaru build and midline configuration.
Yeah. Steering wheel, shifter, door handle. I can see those things. No body panel sharing. No interior trim sharing(that I can tell so far) Dash? This car is far wider than any of the others. Though it looks the same, it isn't a "parts bin" pull as is suggested. Now, the engine/trans could possibly become a parts pin thing. I think the "delay" of 6 months IS to do their testing to hopefully minimize what real world will uncover.
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Old 12-08-2017, 04:27 PM   #852
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Does any company make a perfect first model year vehicle? Or a flawless vehicle ever?
No, but there are some that do it significantly worse than others.

For example, we own a 2015 Genesis sedan. First MY for this generation. Its first year problems include a stinky HVAC and sunroof rattles.

Others like our 2015 Mercedes C300 had a full engine rebuild to replace noisy wrist pins.

Or Subarus having spun rod bearings or puking ringlands, blowing gear sets, consuming massive amounts of oil, on and on and on.

So yeah...Subaru's not up there in those regards.
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Old 12-08-2017, 04:29 PM   #853
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Probably not, but with all the issues I've had its more than enough to let others beta test 1st model years
I bought a 2nd model year Mini and still was shafted... in for warranty work too many times in the first year of ownership. Took a bit of a risk with the 2009 wrx given the updates made in 2009, but I bought a late year build so I avoided the crankshaft bearing issue, and it's been reliable. My point is... I think Subaru does a good job of responding quickly. While I'd still probably avoid an early first year build, I might consider a later first year build.

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Old 12-08-2017, 04:45 PM   #854
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I refuse to travel/tow without a full size spare. Just my thing.

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Nah, you're not alone, and it's better to be safe than sorry. I just wind up needing tools way more than I need a spare. And first-aid is nice to have.

You'd think I'd be more cautious after so many cross-country road trips without a spare, but I just don't come across many instances where there's literally no one for miles or extended periods of time. Even in Yukon Territory.
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No, but there are some that do it significantly worse than others.

For example, we own a 2015 Genesis sedan. First MY for this generation. Its first year problems include a stinky HVAC and sunroof rattles.

Others like our 2015 Mercedes C300 had a full engine rebuild to replace noisy wrist pins.

Or Subarus having spun rod bearings or puking ringlands, blowing gear sets, consuming massive amounts of oil, on and on and on.

So yeah...Subaru's not up there in those regards.
Touché.

I took a chance with my '17 Impreza, same as I took a chance with my' 13 BRZ. No issues with my BRZ after 112k. Impreza has been great with 10k so far.

My '11 WRX is the one I had the most issues with ever, but my' 05 STI and '08 Forester XT were stellar. There's really no telling what will be good or bad, especially since factors are different for everyone. I drive all my cars hard, do regular maintenance, and live at sea level in a climate that's never hot. *shrug*
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Old 12-08-2017, 06:51 PM   #855
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Nah, you're not alone, and it's better to be safe than sorry. I just wind up needing tools way more than I need a spare. And first-aid is nice to have.

You'd think I'd be more cautious after so many cross-country road trips without a spare, but I just don't come across many instances where there's literally no one for miles or extended periods of time. Even in Yukon Territory. Touché.

I took a chance with my '17 Impreza, same as I took a chance with my' 13 BRZ. No issues with my BRZ after 112k. Impreza has been great with 10k so far.

My '11 WRX is the one I had the most issues with ever, but my' 05 STI and '08 Forester XT were stellar. There's really no telling what will be good or bad, especially since factors are different for everyone. I drive all my cars hard, do regular maintenance, and live at sea level in a climate that's never hot. *shrug*
Besides the infotainment crap my Impreza has been great also. I think the SGP has a lot to do with it. After almost a year no rattles or squeaks! A first with me
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Old 12-11-2017, 08:48 AM   #856
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No, but there are some that do it significantly worse than others.

For example, we own a 2015 Genesis sedan. First MY for this generation. Its first year problems include a stinky HVAC and sunroof rattles.

Others like our 2015 Mercedes C300 had a full engine rebuild to replace noisy wrist pins.

Or Subarus having spun rod bearings or puking ringlands, blowing gear sets, consuming massive amounts of oil, on and on and on.

So yeah...Subaru's not up there in those regards.
I think you are being a bit too critical of old Subaru. None of those problems were ever on first year only vehicles.......

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Old 12-11-2017, 12:44 PM   #857
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I think you are being a bit too critical of old Subaru. None of those problems were ever on first year only vehicles.......

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I consider the 2009 spun bearing issue a "first year issue". Not the first of the chassis, but the first of a major engine tweak. They figured it out very quickly into production though and made the change for later 2009 builds, along with making it right for early 2009 owners.
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Old 12-11-2017, 01:00 PM   #858
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Besides the infotainment crap my Impreza has been great also. I think the SGP has a lot to do with it. After almost a year no rattles or squeaks! A first with me
After a year and four months, my 2017 WRX rattles like all hell and makes weird noises left and right. I've come to live with it, I knew what I was getting into when I bought the car, but hopefully the new generation WRX/STi on the SGP will be a little more solidly built.
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Old 12-11-2017, 01:08 PM   #859
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My 2005 Legacy GT a first year model. Still no rattles at 91k. If Subaru had spec'd a better quality turbo unit, nothing else has been needed outside normal maintenance schedule.
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Old 12-11-2017, 06:50 PM   #860
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I think you are being a bit too critical of old Subaru. None of those problems were ever on first year only vehicles.......

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True...most of the time they refused to acknowledge the issues so they persisted for many years. Not a good argument for their quality though.
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Old 12-11-2017, 07:03 PM   #861
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After a year and four months, my 2017 WRX rattles like all hell and makes weird noises left and right. I've come to live with it, I knew what I was getting into when I bought the car, but hopefully the new generation WRX/STi on the SGP will be a little more solidly built.
All WRX's rattle at some point. Its no luxury car. They rattled since the early 2000's. What makes you think its gonna stop now. I gone through 3 WRX's and one STi....all rattled, always expected it and never bothered me.
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